If they are truly unhappy then'll find some way and no matter what you do, they'll still do it. If you can stop them then I wouldn't say they were trully unhappy.
Poll: Suicide... Is it really our place to tell people whether or not to kill themselves?
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I once tried to end it all so to speak.
I was stopped, and ever since then i've been glad they did. Ive got a better life and had my eyes open to the consequences and devastation it would bring to family and friends. Which are usually overlooked by a suicidal person.
If anything.. its selfish.
I was stopped, and ever since then i've been glad they did. Ive got a better life and had my eyes open to the consequences and devastation it would bring to family and friends. Which are usually overlooked by a suicidal person.
If anything.. its selfish.
I'd try to convince people not to kill themselves, but I'm not sure about the morals of it.
As for me, commiting suicide is simply not an option. Killing myself when the people responsible for my situation have not yet paid for it? I can't think of anything more horrible. I ain't going down without a fight.
As for me, commiting suicide is simply not an option. Killing myself when the people responsible for my situation have not yet paid for it? I can't think of anything more horrible. I ain't going down without a fight.
two years ago I lost my cousin to suicide. He had everything going for him, two parents who loved him, a kid sister he adored, and a strong family behind him. But as for the town he lived in.... well. It's well known for drugs, gang activity, and such. He soon became one to do all the drugs and alcohol excessivly, and one night he got in a fight with his girlfriend and hung himself.
I for one would've slapped him god dam silly because he killed himself over the most trival things in life.
People shouldn't base their happiness on other people accepting them, or caring for them or anything like that.
In this day and society, people have to be responsible for their OWN happiness.
Becuase in this life, you can only count on one thing for sure. The society we live in is completely and utterly self-centured.
The only thing you can count on is yourself, and the ones who really actually do support you. The friends who you wake up at 4am for support and they're there for you.
I for one would've slapped him god dam silly because he killed himself over the most trival things in life.
People shouldn't base their happiness on other people accepting them, or caring for them or anything like that.
In this day and society, people have to be responsible for their OWN happiness.
Becuase in this life, you can only count on one thing for sure. The society we live in is completely and utterly self-centured.
The only thing you can count on is yourself, and the ones who really actually do support you. The friends who you wake up at 4am for support and they're there for you.
You can try convince him, but it is his decision.
Remember, death is only bad for the relatives, they suffer because of the loss. The dead person himself will be at peace, in fact he won't feel anything. He can't even regret his decision.
That's why I wouldn't have a problem with being dead. After all, since I'm dead, I can't even be sad because I made my loved ones suffer.
Yup, death is not as bad as many people think, it's often better than life. Because life isn't always good, and death is neutral.
Unless your fundamentalist. In that case: YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR COMMITTING SUICIDE YOU BAD BAD PERSON
Remember, death is only bad for the relatives, they suffer because of the loss. The dead person himself will be at peace, in fact he won't feel anything. He can't even regret his decision.
That's why I wouldn't have a problem with being dead. After all, since I'm dead, I can't even be sad because I made my loved ones suffer.
Yup, death is not as bad as many people think, it's often better than life. Because life isn't always good, and death is neutral.
Unless your fundamentalist. In that case: YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR COMMITTING SUICIDE YOU BAD BAD PERSON
Well... Me and my friend both thought about suicide not so long ago. It was actually my second time. We talked about it for three weeks, the last three weeks of school to be exact. It was all about these girl issues we have; we both love (although he managed to get over it) girls that eneded up our friendships with these girls because of it. My issue had happened about half a year ago, and so I was already friends again with that girl, and we were fine, but I still have very strong feelings about her. He finally fixed the issue by basically sending it all to hell, and climing out of the ditch slowly but surely. I'm going to face my problems also sometime this school year. But that's not the point.
My point is... that your friend probably needs to talk to someone with similar thoughts. AT first, it may seem stupid, as he's just going to sink down worse, and maybe the dug up feelings will resourface and make him feel worse. But he will understand that he's not the on;ly one facing this and that if he can't see why the other guy should kill himself, why should he?
The talking definitely helps, as well as taking off stress from school, work, or whatever is stressing you out like crazy. It helps you get your thoughts back together and realize that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Now, your friend's problems are shit, but things just started looking better, right? He's with someone who cares for him, and he just might realize that after hiting rock bottom, the only way is up.
I think you did right in telling him how you feel... remind him who cares about him... my house is a broken home too, and I know what it's like to feel like nobody gives a shit about you, especially those who are supposed to.
I really think that ultimately, if he wants to do it, respect him for it, and let him do it. Just don't get so caught up in it that he asks you to help him.
And well... good luck.
My point is... that your friend probably needs to talk to someone with similar thoughts. AT first, it may seem stupid, as he's just going to sink down worse, and maybe the dug up feelings will resourface and make him feel worse. But he will understand that he's not the on;ly one facing this and that if he can't see why the other guy should kill himself, why should he?
The talking definitely helps, as well as taking off stress from school, work, or whatever is stressing you out like crazy. It helps you get your thoughts back together and realize that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Now, your friend's problems are shit, but things just started looking better, right? He's with someone who cares for him, and he just might realize that after hiting rock bottom, the only way is up.
I think you did right in telling him how you feel... remind him who cares about him... my house is a broken home too, and I know what it's like to feel like nobody gives a shit about you, especially those who are supposed to.
I really think that ultimately, if he wants to do it, respect him for it, and let him do it. Just don't get so caught up in it that he asks you to help him.
And well... good luck.
Weeeellll... they are martyring themselves, but I don't really see it as a good cause. I'm thinking more along the lines of taking the bullet for someone innocent. And by suicide bombers I'm guessing you mean the radical islamic fundumentalist suicide bombers. Suicide bombing isn't neccesarily bad in my book, its why and who you're bombing that determines that. Blowing yourself up in the middle of a random town just for the hell of it, that's definately not right. Pulling all the pins on your grenades, hold them to your chest, and run up to the cruel enemy leader, that's better.Hashime said:
the point of life is to find happiness
and this guy cant seem to find it in his envirment
but life can change in the blink of an eye it can be bleak one day and happy the next
no one can see the future and it can change your life for the better
i was horribly depressed last summer but i got through it by finding a hobby in writing
whenever im depressed writing always makes me feel better
i felt hopeless last summer and on the verge of suicide
but now im happy
so yes you have every right to keep him from doing it, since it seems even he doesnt know what's good for him
and this guy cant seem to find it in his envirment
but life can change in the blink of an eye it can be bleak one day and happy the next
no one can see the future and it can change your life for the better
i was horribly depressed last summer but i got through it by finding a hobby in writing
whenever im depressed writing always makes me feel better
i felt hopeless last summer and on the verge of suicide
but now im happy
so yes you have every right to keep him from doing it, since it seems even he doesnt know what's good for him
First off, I had a very similar thing, best friend suicidal, genuinely unhappy with his life. I kept on and on trying to talk him out of it, but at the end of the day, that's as far as would go; talking. If he understood the consequences of what he was doing as properly as can be expected, I have no right to say what he should do. The story has a happy ending, he's much better now, but there were times that it just seemed impossible that we'd both get through unscathed. Persevere my friend, and good luck.
Your friend should grow up and stop depending on other people, or at least he should choose the people that are important to him.
Apart from that, he really shouldn't kill himself if he still has hope that it could become better. Even if he has no hope anymore, there is still one reason not to commit suicide. If he dies, the people who lose him will forever feel "his pain".
Apart from that, he really shouldn't kill himself if he still has hope that it could become better. Even if he has no hope anymore, there is still one reason not to commit suicide. If he dies, the people who lose him will forever feel "his pain".
I agree with only the last thing you said. Some people do want to die. They want to die because they believe that nothing is better than what they are going through. Some people feel they are never going to get a better life.Tdc2182 said:
Wait, what?
Why?
Shouldn't that be ideals? And besides, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they don't have ideals. Also I'm pretty sure most people here would try to help, it's about how far you take that help rather than whether or not you are going to help.
Clannad might be sort of slow in the beginning, but I strongly recommend you stick with it all the way through to the end of after story.Cowabungaa said:
Well, I'm out of concrete advice. I got lucky and got rid of my social outcast status when I changed schools (We do that between grades 10 and 11 here). I really can't do more than stressing that positive thinking helps a lot.Cowabungaa said:
I do not see much in the future. I try to ignore the bad thoughts and maintain a 'cross that bridge when I get to it' attitude.Cowabungaa said:
You could try to ask yourself what's the worst thing that can happen if you do not complete the college course.
Maybe try to live more for your own sake. Relax, take a vacation. I use to play with the thought of just leaving everything behind and going to live in a buddhist temple.
I don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what that feels like.Cowabungaa said:
Please remember that everything seems a lot worse when you're down, and a lot better when you're happy.
A mood lifter tip I figured ut a while back is listening to happy music. The problem is, of course, that when you're sad you don't want to listen to happy music. Therefore, what you do, is go to youtube and search for Miles Davis, and find a nice, neutral-mood song, and surf the related videos. From there you can begin to escalate the happiness-factor on the songs you listen to. After an hour or two I found I suddenly could listen to songs like this, and I was in a lot better mood. Sorry if this song annoys you. It tends to do that to some people.
Committing suicide just because you're depressed or unhappy or whatever is the wrong choice, life is relatively long and there is plenty of scope to change things. On the other hand with terminal illnesses / chronic pain etcetera people should be allowed the choice, so long as they are capable of making a rational decision.
I have a friend who's pretty screwed up too, he used to talk a lot about killing himself... having bipolar didn't really help either.
However, I consistently tell him that killing oneself is the worst thing he could do. I will stop him whatever it takes. Not just for him, no - I also know that if he died I, and many, many of his friends who love him, would be hurt beyond comprehension.
So yeah, thats my opinion - it is out place to stop them, because a) life can always improve, however long it takes, and b) if not for yourself, don't do it for those who love you.
However, I consistently tell him that killing oneself is the worst thing he could do. I will stop him whatever it takes. Not just for him, no - I also know that if he died I, and many, many of his friends who love him, would be hurt beyond comprehension.
So yeah, thats my opinion - it is out place to stop them, because a) life can always improve, however long it takes, and b) if not for yourself, don't do it for those who love you.
A large majority of the time when people become suicidal is because they are going with emotion and not really thinking things through. As they say, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. While there are some exceptions, most of the time it is something that is incredibly foolish.
I feel like an asshole for saying this, but I find suicide incredibly selfish. After all, suicide leaves anyone who loved, or at least knew, the victim with sorrow and questions. It only causes harm to the innocent, and hurting the innocent is something that is simply, without doubt, wrong.
If a person kills themselves, they're robbing themselves of all the potential for change that their future life has. I believe it's always a mistake, and you're always right to try to stop them. But it doesn't end with that moment. You also need to try to help them reach a better place in their lives, where simply ending it doesn't seem like the only worthwhile option.
As far as suicide goes, I'll do my best to convince someone that life is worth living, but if they want to kill themselves, so be it.
After seeing both of my parents suicide individually, I have to say that suicide really shouldn't be a choice. It destroys everyone who loves you, and everything you've ever worked for.