Poll: Suicide

[thelastgentleman]

I say let'em kill themselves, A) the world has a population problem to begin with and B) some guys are gonna do it, whether they're mocked or not, I see no reason to make fun of someone in that horrible of a situation, but I see no reason to defend them either. I also think talking jumpers off buildings is silly though, for every guy who kills himself (at least in america) there is one more job, 3 more meals a day, and a new home (possibly) for someone who actually wants to live. Now if they're depressed, try therapy first, but if that fails, let them die. Same thing with old people and terminal illnesses, I can't fathom why someone with something like Huntington's or near death cancer would want to live in all that pain.

This is appropriate.

I can't even fucking consider you to be a human being. So someone's suffering is good because it benefits society? A society which, more than likely, rejected the person because of their mental instability. You are a fucking disgusting person.

...part of the society you cant totally lump a single society into an objective argument. Yes there is a majority that may mock said individual, but no matter the case there is always someone out there who is in the same scenario and most likely is suffering the same fate, unless they are antisocial which in that case they relish that fact that they are alone. Its not a bad thing for Moose to feel this way. I know plenty of individuals who would benefit more from their absence then if they continued in their present situation. Take my pin pal Miguel from Peru he would give anything just to be a low-income citizen here in America. If some selfish teen doesn't want his chance in life...Fine give it up Miguel will gladly use it. Be happy with what you got people...it truly is all you have.

 

[Terminal Blue]

You know what's selfish..

Being so self-obsessed that you take someone else's death personally, that you don't actually care about a person's wishes because you're too busy moping over how it reflects on you, or crying because you weren't bright and shining and special enough to make someone want to live.

You know what's cowardly..

Being so afraid of dying that you forget that it's going to happen to all of us and actually consider it one tiny shit's worth of your business how other people do it.

Because, you know, fuck those cowards, they were just running away from their problems. What they should have done is put up with it until nature let them waste away from terminal cancer or turned their brain to wax and let them die and painful humiliating death locked away in a hospital somewhere far away from their friends and family so noone else has to feel bad about it. That's the brave way to die.

I'm sorry to point this out, but people die. It happens, it's unpleasant and it's frightening that one day it will happen to you. Instead of whining because some people choose to die earlier than others, maybe have the basic human respect to accept people's right to self-determination over one of the very few constants in human experience.

The tone this thread is taking disgusts me to my core.

 

[WorldCritic]

I can't say my opinions on suicide due to risk of being put on probation (again) or worse, but I don't laugh at any one who commits or attempts to commit suicide and usually if I'm around someone who does I tend to tell quickly to shut up.

I don't know anyone who has killed themselves, but I do know plenty of people who have tried.

 

[FllippinIDIOT]

for teh lulz of course

 

[Jumplion]

Oh, Nancy, this is shaping up to be a controversial thread.

First of all, suicide is not something you joke about. There is no death more tragic than a slow one caused by one's own hand. Suicide isn't something people just "do" on a whim; it often comes after years of depression, self-deprecation and adversity. And suicidal people ARE depressed people. How the fuck else do you suppose a person can do something so incredibly against their strongest innate instincts?

Another important thing that needs to get across: suicide is something ANYONE is capable of. It's not just for cowards, it's the product of a number of conditions that can be present in ANYONE'S life.

Whether suicide is "selfish" or not is irrelevant. People who kill themselves believe a number of things about themselves and the world:

1. Life is nothing but pain.
2. Nobody cares about them. Nobody really loves them.
3. Things are never going to improve, no matter what they do.

They think these things because their cognitive processes are skewed, because the amount of negative or traumatic events they have experienced are so multitudinous they have learned to view the world in a way that isn't necessarily true. Whatever suffering a person's suicide may cause to their loved ones, it NEVER outweighs the suffering they have experienced or caused to themselves. Suicide as a "selfish" action is a concept enforced by Judeo-Christian dogma, because those who follow it believe the human body and soul is not "theirs", but that it belongs to God, and so they don't technically have ownership over themselves.

Suicide is a desperate attempt to escape a painful existence that doesn't feel like it's worth living. For a person to even consider suicide, they have to experience a tremendous amount of emotional pain over an extremely long period of time. Suicide doesn't happen to well-adjusted people, it happens to wounded people and those with poor coping skills (for fuck's sake, count yourself lucky that you learned them while growing up, because some weren't so lucky; and you do have to learn them- they aren't innate).

Another thing: you don't get a pass to mock suicidal people if you were once so yourself. If anything, that gives you less of an excuse to do so, and it shows that you're still not over your problems; if you feel the need to mock suicidals, or even the right, that is a very old defense mechanism called Projection, which is a product of repression, and it denotes that the person making light of suicide isn't a "former" suicidal; the conditions in their life that caused them to have drastic cognitions like the contemplation of suicide are still present.

The only thing I will concede to the above is that those who have never experienced depression at a suicidal level have less of a right to take it lightly than those who have, but only because they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Lemme let you in on something about yourself you may not know: because you're a human, and because humans are social animals, you have instincts built into your psyche to keep the strongest members in, and the "weaker" ones out. It's the same principle that causes herds to leave their older, sicker, weaker ones to die; if you can't help yourself, the tribe doesn't care to help you. The problem is that the tribe itself more often than not creates the very problems that cause others to become potential "threats." The way this translates into the current topic is that the people who become suicidal are often victims of paternal, social, or economic torment.

You know that phrase "don't let yourself be a victim?" That rancid fart of a maxim is a starry-eyed, overoptimistic view of the world that seeks to inspire others to great achievements by making it seem like everyone is capable of having personalities like Ghandi, who himself "refused to be a victim". Not everyone has the same cognitive processes. Not everyone is fortunate with how their lives turn out (Ghandi himself had money, despite being a minority. He was a lawyer before he became a human rights activist). The sad truth is the only way to live your life is to do the best with what you have. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try; nothing is gained without great sacrifice. What I mean is that not everyone has a high success rate in the total amount of endeavors they seek to accomplish. Not everyone escapes persecution and abuse. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME LIFE. Saying that someone with emotional imbalances deserves to be made fun of is a statement on a level of ignorance that frankly I find staggering.

I had once thought of suicide as an option. I was severely depressed even years after my mother's death, and to an extent I still am probably. I was put on medication, got out of it, and while I still have the occasional thought, I'd like to say I came out better for it.

People don't really seem to understand that calling suicidal people "cowards" or "selfish" is one of the many reasons why they kill themselves in the first place. They (we) think there's no hope in their lives, that someone out there is worse off than them so they shouldn't take up space, all that stuff. It's that feeling of cowardliness, that feeling that "Oh, I'm just being selfish" that (depending on the person) only causes depression even further.

It's not a spur of the moment decision. It's a decision that comes from years upon years of external- and internal-torture. Some people might be going around, giving off hints that they will kill themselves, and that may either be a call for attention or a call for help. After my own experience with it, I take talks of suicide or self-mutilation very seriously. I can joke about it in jest, but when confronted with it I will never mock them or say "toughen up" because that will not help at all.

Survival of the fittest my ass. Should be survival of the decent.

 

[hem dazon 90]

FTL basically

 

[Thamian]

I answered indifferent for a couple of reasons:

1)I have mocked people (ok, one person) who said they were suicidal. But due to the circumstances surrounding that, I not only sincerely doubted they were serious, but felt that if they did kill themselves it would have been a real boost to the quality of the gene pool (yeah, I get like this towards people who harm people who I care about, esp. when they do as much damage as that c**t did).

2)All too often, people who are speaking about it seriously tend to either be beyond saving, or atleast the only people who can save them are the people closest to them. For myself, when I hit that point, if some randomer had tried to help me, I would have thought they were mocking me and so they would have just pushed me closer to stepping over. Only thing which brought me back from the edge was a girl who is basically my sister in everything but blood.

Eitherway however, unless I am one of those people who are that close, I would leave it alone, mainly for fear of making things worse.

 

[Jumplion]

...part of the society you cant totally lump a single society into an objective argument. Yes there is a majority that may mock said individual, but no matter the case there is always someone out there who is in the same scenario and most likely is suffering the same fate, unless they are antisocial which in that case they relish that fact that they are alone. Its not a bad thing for Moose to feel this way. I know plenty of individuals who would benefit more from their absence then if they continued in their present situation. Take my pin pal Miguel from Peru he would give anything just to be a low-income citizen here in America. If some selfish teen doesn't want his chance in life...Fine give it up Miguel will gladly use it. Be happy with what you got people...it truly is all you have.

That's one of the reasons why some people kill themselves. Because they know that someone, somewhere, out there has it worse than them so they should off themselves to make room for the real suffering. That's illogical, however, because there is always someone worse off than the other, and shows that these people are not in the right state of mind. Miguel isn't going to suddenly appear into the US because Moose committed suicide, all it does it make it worse for everybody, and through the twisted logic of a suicidal person it can all make sense.

Not everyone thinks that, but it's certainly what went through my head when I contemplated suicide.

 

[antipunt]

Oh, Nancy, this is shaping up to be a controversial thread.

First of all, suicide is not something you joke about. There is no death more tragic than a slow one caused by one's own hand. Suicide isn't something people just "do" on a whim; it often comes after years of depression, self-deprecation and adversity. And suicidal people ARE depressed people. How the fuck else do you suppose a person can do something so incredibly against their strongest innate instincts?

Another important thing that needs to get across: suicide is something ANYONE is capable of. It's not just for cowards, it's the product of a number of conditions that can be present in ANYONE'S life.

Whether suicide is "selfish" or not is irrelevant. People who kill themselves believe a number of things about themselves and the world:

1. Life is nothing but pain.
2. Nobody cares about them. Nobody really loves them.
3. Things are never going to improve, no matter what they do.

They think these things because their cognitive processes are skewed, because the amount of negative or traumatic events they have experienced are so multitudinous they have learned to view the world in a way that isn't necessarily true. Whatever suffering a person's suicide may cause to their loved ones, it NEVER outweighs the suffering they have experienced or caused to themselves. Suicide as a "selfish" action is a concept enforced by Judeo-Christian dogma, because those who follow it believe the human body and soul is not "theirs", but that it belongs to God, and so they don't technically have ownership over themselves.

Suicide is a desperate attempt to escape a painful existence that doesn't feel like it's worth living. For a person to even consider suicide, they have to experience a tremendous amount of emotional pain over an extremely long period of time. Suicide doesn't happen to well-adjusted people, it happens to wounded people and those with poor coping skills (for fuck's sake, count yourself lucky that you learned them while growing up, because some weren't so lucky; and you do have to learn them- they aren't innate).

Another thing: you don't get a pass to mock suicidal people if you were once so yourself. If anything, that gives you less of an excuse to do so, and it shows that you're still not over your problems; if you feel the need to mock suicidals, or even the right, that is a very old defense mechanism called Projection, which is a product of repression, and it denotes that the person making light of suicide isn't a "former" suicidal; the conditions in their life that caused them to have drastic cognitions like the contemplation of suicide are still present.

The only thing I will concede to the above is that those who have never experienced depression at a suicidal level have less of a right to take it lightly than those who have, but only because they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Lemme let you in on something about yourself you may not know: because you're a human, and because humans are social animals, you have instincts built into your psyche to keep the strongest members in, and the "weaker" ones out. It's the same principle that causes herds to leave their older, sicker, weaker ones to die; if you can't help yourself, the tribe doesn't care to help you. The problem is that the tribe itself more often than not creates the very problems that cause others to become potential "threats." The way this translates into the current topic is that the people who become suicidal are often victims of paternal, social, or economic torment.

You know that phrase "don't let yourself be a victim?" That rancid fart of a maxim is a starry-eyed, overoptimistic view of the world that seeks to inspire others to great achievements by making it seem like everyone is capable of having personalities like Ghandi, who himself "refused to be a victim". Not everyone has the same cognitive processes. Not everyone is fortunate with how their lives turn out (Ghandi himself had money, despite being a minority. He was a lawyer before he became a human rights activist). The sad truth is the only way to live your life is to do the best with what you have. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try; nothing is gained without great sacrifice. What I mean is that not everyone has a high success rate in the total amount of endeavors they seek to accomplish. Not everyone escapes persecution and abuse. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME LIFE. Saying that someone with emotional imbalances deserves to be made fun of is a statement on a level of ignorance that frankly I find staggering.

Not directed at this post -only-, but to this post AND all others like it. It's these kinds of posts that strengthens my faith in the integrity of the Escapist community. I used to frequent gamefaqs, and the insensitive regurgitated garbage you'd read there regarding an issue as sensitive as suicide would've made any sensible person hurl. Kudos to the people who are speaking sanely and maturely.

 

[thelastgentleman]

...part of the society you cant totally lump a single society into an objective argument. Yes there is a majority that may mock said individual, but no matter the case there is always someone out there who is in the same scenario and most likely is suffering the same fate, unless they are antisocial which in that case they relish that fact that they are alone. Its not a bad thing for Moose to feel this way. I know plenty of individuals who would benefit more from their absence then if they continued in their present situation. Take my pin pal Miguel from Peru he would give anything just to be a low-income citizen here in America. If some selfish teen doesn't want his chance in life...Fine give it up Miguel will gladly use it. Be happy with what you got people...it truly is all you have.

That's one of the reasons why some people kill themselves. Because they know that someone, somewhere, out there has it worse than them so they should off themselves to make room for the real suffering. That's illogical, however, because there is always someone worse off than the other, and shows that these people are not in the right state of mind. Miguel isn't going to suddenly appear into the US because Moose committed suicide, all it does it make it worse for everybody, and through the twisted logic of a suicidal person it can all make sense.

Not everyone thinks that, but it's certainly what went through my head when I contemplated suicide.

Well damn...that just sucks I am deeply sorry for that truly to think that way is a true loss. But at least your still here and for that you deserve a Kudos. Seriously dude thank you for your mature and rational choice to live, your a beacon for all those who are currently lost within their own psyche.

 

[Jumplion]

...part of the society you cant totally lump a single society into an objective argument. Yes there is a majority that may mock said individual, but no matter the case there is always someone out there who is in the same scenario and most likely is suffering the same fate, unless they are antisocial which in that case they relish that fact that they are alone. Its not a bad thing for Moose to feel this way. I know plenty of individuals who would benefit more from their absence then if they continued in their present situation. Take my pin pal Miguel from Peru he would give anything just to be a low-income citizen here in America. If some selfish teen doesn't want his chance in life...Fine give it up Miguel will gladly use it. Be happy with what you got people...it truly is all you have.

That's one of the reasons why some people kill themselves. Because they know that someone, somewhere, out there has it worse than them so they should off themselves to make room for the real suffering. That's illogical, however, because there is always someone worse off than the other, and shows that these people are not in the right state of mind. Miguel isn't going to suddenly appear into the US because Moose committed suicide, all it does it make it worse for everybody, and through the twisted logic of a suicidal person it can all make sense.

Not everyone thinks that, but it's certainly what went through my head when I contemplated suicide.

Well damn...that just sucks I am deeply sorry for that truly to think that way is a true loss. But at least your still here and for that you deserve a Kudos. Seriously dude thank you for your mature and rational choice to live, your a beacon for all those who are currently lost within their own psyche.

What people want to do with their bodies is their business. If they want to kill themselves, and have truly thought it over, then I respect that decision. I wouldn't agree with it, but I respect it all the same.

Personally, I will never harm, mutilate, or otherwise kill myself for any reason. After my experiences with depression, suicide and whatnot (I was institutionalized for a few days, nothing serious, just to prescribe medication), seeing kids my age with fresh cuts on their wrists, addicted to drugs, all that bad stuff, I never wanted to end up like that. I made an oath to myself that I will live every second of my life no matter how terrible. Even if I was in the hospital on life support, I'd want to have my last moments of life. Now, I don't know how I would truly react in that situation, so who's to say what I will decide. But that is my decision, and mine alone, and I would hope that people don't call me a coward or a hero. It's just something in my life I had to go through.

Okay, I'm getting super preachy and depressing here, let's lighten things up with something completely different [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s].

 

[Baradiel]

I have seriously considered suicide, but not because I'm "depressed".

Let me try and explain: (These are all my own opinions. I am not trying to convince anyone else)

I am incredibly philosophical. I have already concluded that there is no God worth worshipping. If there is one he is not omnipotent as well as benevolent. I have considered what the world will be like in a century, and it is bleak. Mankind is only steering itself into oblivion.

What will I do with my life? Nothing important. Even if I became Primeminister, it wouldn't matter in the extreme long run. I could develop a cure for AIDs or cancer, but it wouldn't matter. Some of ailment would appear, possibly worse because of our overuse of medicines.

Basically, I have contemplated suicide because I don't see the point in living. Nothing particularly bad has happened to me, and I'm not depressed in the normal sense. I just don't see why I should suffer and drag myself through the natural span of my life, doing a pointless job simply to pay bills and keep wheels turning, only to die eventually.

If I don't get into university, and I don't find something else to apply myself to, I will probably kill myself, simply because I don't see why not...

Well, I guess I kinda worked it out. If there's no great glorious end to all this, if nothing we do matters... , then all that matters is what we do. Because that's all there is. What we do. Now. Today.

Do you understand what this means? The point in this text?
Using a philosophy and conclusion to make life meaningless only puts yourself in that part of hell on earth which you are in right now.
There are no absolutes. There is just today. How you chose to live today is completely up to you, but it really pisses me off that you see so little value in life.
Do you not understand how precious life is? What people would do to be able to have it?

People like you do not deserve to live. There are better people who would make better with a heart beat and a breath. But yet you do. You're alive, and I'm so happy to know that you are, having these dark thoughts in your head.

Stop taking life for granted.

PS: To answer the OP, I do not mock suicidal people. I do however like to remind them of their stupidity and try to get at least one point across. I would also have punched the person above me and then given him a hug. Maybe a kiss on the forehead as well.

I sortof understand your zealotry in trying to make everyone understand the joy to their lives, and yes I probably shouldn't think the way I do. But the fact is, I do. I do, because I have had far too much time to think about this sort of thing.

I ultimately believe that it is up to the individual how they spend their life, and if someone didn't see why they should continue with it, it is their choice to end it.

I'm not "taking life for granted", by the way. I abhor killing, whether murder or war, because the victims of murder and war often don't decide that they want to die, and have a reason to live. But if someone truly wants to die, if they don't see the point in continuing, then that is their choice to make.

Life is a beautiful thing, but it is a gift people have a right to refuse. For all my grand declarations of wanting to die, I probably won't.

Because I'm a coward.

I see being able to kill yourself, without knowing what awaits (Agnostic, btw) to be one of the bravest things possible. If someone martyrs themselves for their religion, that is significantly less admirable, because they believe there will be a reward for them, at the end. If you just believe that death is absolute, blackness, a void, and you willingly embrace that... well... thats brave. And possibly stupid, depending on your opinion.

 

[Baradiel]

I have seriously considered suicide, but not because I'm "depressed".

Let me try and explain: (These are all my own opinions. I am not trying to convince anyone else)

I am incredibly philosophical. I have already concluded that there is no God worth worshipping. If there is one he is not omnipotent as well as benevolent. I have considered what the world will be like in a century, and it is bleak. Mankind is only steering itself into oblivion.

What will I do with my life? Nothing important. Even if I became Primeminister, it wouldn't matter in the extreme long run. I could develop a cure for AIDs or cancer, but it wouldn't matter. Some of ailment would appear, possibly worse because of our overuse of medicines.

Basically, I have contemplated suicide because I don't see the point in living. Nothing particularly bad has happened to me, and I'm not depressed in the normal sense. I just don't see why I should suffer and drag myself through the natural span of my life, doing a pointless job simply to pay bills and keep wheels turning, only to die eventually.

If I don't get into university, and I don't find something else to apply myself to, I will probably kill myself, simply because I don't see why not...

I fully understand the angle you are coming from here in terms of the eventual, inevitable futility of life. However, the issue I have with this is that the view "whatever happens doesn't matter in the long run" could just as easily be used to philosophically discuss away all kinds of atrocities.

At the end of the day we are, in simple terms of probability, lucky to be alive. To you I would say that life is what you make of it and, if university doesn't work out/is not for you then try to find something that you can enjoy in life, whatever that may be. People who view their life as "doing a pointless job simply to pay bills and keep wheels turning, only to die eventually" should do something about it if they really feel that way.

Its interesting that you mention atrocities. The Holocaust; a terrible example of human evil, no one is denying that, but in human history there have been much worse instances of genocide. Even in recent years, the Bosnian-Serbian conflict is, I consider, equal or worse to the holocaust, simply because of the pure monstrous behaviour.

Anyway, my attitude on life is pretty grim, yes. But only when I'm in that sort of mood. At the moment, I couldn't consider committing suicide. But last week I was incredibly depressed, and spent more and more time thinking about the point of life, etc etc.

Its been suggested that I get myself checked out by a doctor, to see if I have a form of Manic Depression. I probably will, if only so I have a name for it. It'd also give me a defense against any suicidal tendencies, by telling myself "It'll pass, it'll pass."

We'll see.

 

[banthesun]

I got mocked as a "suidcidal" person (by my mum, no less). It made me realise how much of an insufferable twat I was being and substancially improved my outlook on life. It must have been incredibly hard for her not to be manipulated by my bullshit, but I'm sure she made the right decision.

 

[Aprilgold]

Argh, that makes no grammatical sense. Pretty much, I mock people who say they want to commit suicide.

No they don't, they can either do it or stop talking about it.[/quote]
um, thats a little mean, I was suicidal myself, and depression runs in many family, seriously, it comes off as a jackass comment of your last line.
Oh, in case some people didn't read it, its the next line in quotes.

"No they don't, they can either do it or stop talking about it"
ok, first, Suicide is really easy to prevent, stating that I can't prove it, there are charts, charity's and other things of that nature DEDICATED TO PREVENTING IT!
Second, mocking suicide in the right context could depress the person more, and think, would you want your joke to cause a friends death, or a family members death.
Now you say you never thought of suicide for years of being kicked the shit out of, well, I can more likely explain this as, 1. had other ways of getting rid of the depression [meds, sauna, zen like state stuff] 2. had plenty of nice people around you the entire time of the day.
You see, suicidal people usually have one or no friends, and are usually bullied [mentally, physically] the whole day, maybe nice parents, cruel brother. Its wrong IN GENERAL to mock suicide in the wrong context, I don't mind mocking suicide [I don't do it] but theres a thin line of jokes and of completely asshole like state. And not to be rude, but you came off as an asshole in all of your replies and posts on this thread. Just thought you should know, have a nice day.

 

[Aprilgold]

I had once thought of suicide as an option. I was severely depressed even years after my mother's death, and to an extent I still am probably. I was put on medication, got out of it, and while I still have the occasional thought, I'd like to say I came out better for it.

People don't really seem to understand that calling suicidal people "cowards" or "selfish" is one of the many reasons why they kill themselves in the first place. They (we) think there's no hope in their lives, that someone out there is worse off than them so they shouldn't take up space, all that stuff. It's that feeling of cowardliness, that feeling that "Oh, I'm just being selfish" that (depending on the person) only causes depression even further.

It's not a spur of the moment decision. It's a decision that comes from years upon years of external- and internal-torture. Some people might be going around, giving off hints that they will kill themselves, and that may either be a call for attention or a call for help. After my own experience with it, I take talks of suicide or self-mutilation very seriously. I can joke about it in jest, but when confronted with it I will never mock them or say "toughen up" because that will not help at all.

Survival of the fittest my ass. Should be survival of the decent.[/quote]
sir, my hat is off to you, I'm sorry to post so soon after my other post, but I have to say, I went through suicide [got out of it, or else I wouldn't be here anyway] You are a great person and I find what you said to be 100% true to the last sentence.
The world is no longer decent and now focuses on how ever has the most money, the most, well, everything, it should be survival of the decent.
Sir you deserve a.....

 

[Donbett1974]

Suicide is a selfish act if you only think of yourself and not your love ones. Would they want you to do this if yes then have at it.

 

[Totenkopf]

Spoiler: Schnippschnapp

Did I get something wrong or did you just really say that there are no people with serious suicidal tendencies, because they would be already dead?
Is that really your point?
That every person with such tendencies immediately kills themself?

OT: Let's say there are more serious and "less serious" cases of suicidal thoughts. There's a special aspect to the latter, they will never be executed, they are just attention-seeking, and are free to be laughed at and ridiculed.
Generally you shouldn't do that with the former, because they mostly end up like they are intended to do.

Yes, that is my point.
There is a difference between being depressed and thinking about suicide and being suicidal.

Suicidal means to have the latent urge to kill yourself. And frankly, killing yourself is easy, if you mean it. Having suicidal thoughts because of depression has as much in commom with being suicidal as thinking about going to Japan has with sitting in a plane to Japan.

There is simply a huge gap between thinking about something and doing it. Even if you think seriously about something.

Okay, I see your point there.
But I can't completely agree on the huge gap you describe here, even though you're partially right.
I simply think that depression can lead you from considering suicide over the line to suicidality.
Taking your example: If you are planning a trip to Japan for years, saving money and doing the preparations, you will be eventually sitting in a plan flying towards your destination.
And that despite there's no immediate connection between thinking about it and doing it.