Poll: Tali Reveal
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A very strong no.
And an even stronger NO NO NO to all you people who think the quarians should be revealed, but not Tali. What the fuck? Why would you want that? That's the dumbest compromise ever. It ruins the mystery of how the race looks, destroying all your personal imaginings, without actually revealing the only one you care about seeing. It pisses off everybody and pleasing no one.
And an even stronger NO NO NO to all you people who think the quarians should be revealed, but not Tali. What the fuck? Why would you want that? That's the dumbest compromise ever. It ruins the mystery of how the race looks, destroying all your personal imaginings, without actually revealing the only one you care about seeing. It pisses off everybody and pleasing no one.
Because at this point not knowing what Quarians look like is stupid as hell. We've seen dozens of them. We've seen them charge into battle. We've seen them get injured. We've seen them get their stupid bucket heads crushed. And yet somehow, not a single ripped suit or smashed helmet. It feels absurd. How can a YMIR mech pump an entire round into a Quarian's skull and somehow her helmet doesn't break?varulfic said:
Furthermore, it creates a narrative disconnect between the player and the characters in the game becuase they all know what Quarians look like. It's not a secret to them, becuase a single extranet image search shows you what unmasked Quarians are. It feels weird that every character knows what Quarian's look like but the player does not due to completley arbitrary reasons.
I don't care if they show Tali. Let people keep thinking she's a space elf or whatever the fuck they want. However the quarians are already a really dumb race. Keeping their appearance hidden at this point is just making them even worse.
Yes, but it should be a part of her romance plot, so that the people who don't want to see her don't have to.
I think BioWare should decide what to do with Tali and not ask their fans for their opinions. Whatever they do, most fans will hate them either way.
Personally? I don't think they should reveal it, gets rid of the mystery.
Personally? I don't think they should reveal it, gets rid of the mystery.
I don't think it should be revealed at all, the mystery is what makes it interesting. I also think it was a mistake to revile the identity of the shadow broker, they had one of the best mystery's in gaming right there and they go and slap a face on it.
No, this should never be revealed, I don't care what any one says, it's just more fun this way.
No, this should never be revealed, I don't care what any one says, it's just more fun this way.
I've said what I think in the official thread, but I'll copy the message here as well:
As its the end of the series, I think its finally appropriate to see her face. The mystery is great and all, but we're at the end now, and dragging it out will only get annoying, it won't stay fun like it is now. That feeling eventually just gets bitter. And then expectations can NEVER be met.
(Example: LOST)
I think this is the reason they showed the Shadow Broker, and why the very strange and unexpected reveal worked quite well. We had expectations, sure, but it was still great.
This is the final lap of the story now, and seeing her face should be at the emotional climax of her story arc. More-so if your one of the MANY people who romanced her, in which case, its important to both her and Sheperd.
Someone cited Darth Vader as an example in an earlier thread, and I think he's another perfectly good example of concluding the mystery, and giving the viewer the needed emotional climax with this character.
The audience's expectations were NOT met on purpose. The great and mighty Darth Vader....was actually a very sad, sickly looking old man under the mask. You might even say pathetic.
This completely gives the audience a new perspective of the character, an understanding and perhaps even sympathy/forgiveness. Truly one the the great moments of cinema.
Subverting expectation can work. The main difference I see is that unlike Lucas and his old team, Bioware does not have a clear idea themselves.
Honestly, I feel that as the end of the series proper is now, they should show it, before the mystery spoils. They just need to go with what is appropriate and not worry about the audience reaction. Just make it appropriate in the moment, and trust your audience.
As its the end of the series, I think its finally appropriate to see her face. The mystery is great and all, but we're at the end now, and dragging it out will only get annoying, it won't stay fun like it is now. That feeling eventually just gets bitter. And then expectations can NEVER be met.
(Example: LOST)
I think this is the reason they showed the Shadow Broker, and why the very strange and unexpected reveal worked quite well. We had expectations, sure, but it was still great.
This is the final lap of the story now, and seeing her face should be at the emotional climax of her story arc. More-so if your one of the MANY people who romanced her, in which case, its important to both her and Sheperd.
Someone cited Darth Vader as an example in an earlier thread, and I think he's another perfectly good example of concluding the mystery, and giving the viewer the needed emotional climax with this character.
The audience's expectations were NOT met on purpose. The great and mighty Darth Vader....was actually a very sad, sickly looking old man under the mask. You might even say pathetic.
This completely gives the audience a new perspective of the character, an understanding and perhaps even sympathy/forgiveness. Truly one the the great moments of cinema.
Subverting expectation can work. The main difference I see is that unlike Lucas and his old team, Bioware does not have a clear idea themselves.
Honestly, I feel that as the end of the series proper is now, they should show it, before the mystery spoils. They just need to go with what is appropriate and not worry about the audience reaction. Just make it appropriate in the moment, and trust your audience.
The only problem comparing Vader and Tali is that Vader is the most bad ass and evil villain ever made, he was feared through out the universe. You knew nothing about him except he was clad in black and was a force (haha) to be reckoned with. But and here is the huge but, before the third movie there was a feeling that Vader wasn't "really evil" and had a split between the darkside and jedi order (at least that's what I gathered watching the movie and I say these a couple of years ago, yay I'm behind on the times again). During the end of the third(sixth) movie, Vader changes to the light side but come on you can't think light/good with that evil mask and outfit. So they show what Vader really is, a sad and sympathetic man, and it really worked.Canadish said:I've said what I think in the official thread, but I'll copy the message here as well:
As its the end of the series, I think its finally appropriate to see her face. The mystery is great and all, but we're at the end now, and dragging it out will only get annoying, it won't stay fun like it is now. That feeling eventually just gets bitter. And then expectations can NEVER be met.
(Example: LOST)
I think this is the reason they showed the Shadow Broker, and why the very strange and unexpected reveal worked quite well. We had expectations, sure, but it was still great.
This is the final lap of the story now, and seeing her face should at be the emotional climax of her story arc. More-so if your one of the MANY people who romanced her, in which case, its important to both her and Sheperd.
Someone cited Darth Vader as an example in an earlier thread, and I think he's another perfectly good example of concluding the mystery, and giving the viewer the needed emotional climax with this character.
The audience's expectations were NOT met on purpose. The great and mighty Darth Vader....was actually a very sad, sickly looking old man under the mask. You might even say pathetic.
This completely gives the audience a new perspective of the character, an understanding and perhaps even sympathy/forgiveness. Truly one the the great moments of cinema.
Subverting expectation can work. The main difference I see is that unlike Lucas and his old team, Bioware does not have a clear idea themselves.
Honestly, I feel that as the end of the series proper is now, they should show it, before the mystery spoils. They just need to go with what is appropriate and not worry about the audience reaction. Just make it appropriate in the moment, and trust your audience.
Now Tali isn't a bad ass she is a smart chick who you bone a few times in the game, the aduences perspective of Tali won't change as much if you show her because her personality won't change that much if at all (unlike Vader who went from dark to light side). If you show her face her personality will still be the same. She won't go from the girl who love Shepperd (if you went that way) to wanting to blow up the world.
I think that would destroy pretty much any mystique she possesses as a character.
Not that that would leave her completely bland or anything, but the whole "woman behind a mask" thing is a very potent source of appeal for her.
Not that that would leave her completely bland or anything, but the whole "woman behind a mask" thing is a very potent source of appeal for her.