Poll: Teachers going on strike, your thoughts?

[Ancientgamer]

Public and below undergrad teachers are paid barely enough to live on, sometimes less. College and above level professors are essentially this generations intelligensia, and are paid accordingly. They also tend to have jobs doing research or writing.

I personally just can't understand people who want to teach at the elementary\high school level. Is it just because you don't need a doctorate?

 

[minidevil921]

I live in a no strike state and in my county we have to make 47 million in budget cuts. I'm sure our teachers would if they could but they should be allowed to.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

How do they get a large pay check, they get payed terrably, and you have to work for years to get a raise and its only by like a dollar or two an hour (atleast for my teachers), and they put up with so much shit, so yes, they should be allowed to go on strike if the reason is valid, if the reason isnt valid then they shouldnt.

Most teachers don't get paid by the hour, in fact most teachers get paid 500-1200$ every week

This is for the United states however.

Also Canada, though similar is not the same in collage business, than in the US, Here the colleges only care about the money you give them, and the faculty get paid ridiculously large amounts. There is no reason they should get a pay raise, even community colleges, who I am not even sure are state funded at all, have high paychecks compared to normal public schools in the US.

Yeah when i said paid by the hour, i meant like if you divided their pay by the hours they work ect only adds up to like an extra dollar and hour blah blah blah.

And yeah im talking about the US, i didnt know Canadian teachers got paid large amounts.

 

[Flos]

Public and below undergrad teachers are paid barely enough to live on, sometimes less. College and above level professors are essentially this generations intelligensia, and are paid accordingly. They also tend to have jobs doing research or writing.

I personally just can't understand people who want to teach at the elementary\high school level. Is it just because you don't need a doctorate?

As someone who actually wants to teach at a high school level, I can tell you that people go into it for a bunch of different reasons. I want to go into it because I love the subject I want to teach and I want to make a difference in someone's education. [sub]Plus, the subject I'm interested in is one where I could probably easily get a job if the entire teaching thing fell through.[/sub]

I know people who want to do it just to be soul-suckers, though.

And then my spirit will be crushed by the administration/unmotivated students/parents, and that's why every high school teacher you will ever meet is just a little bit insane.

Also, school districts are often willing to pay for whatever higher-higher education you're interested in getting. I know mine will pay for teachers to get an MA and/or for them to get a teaching license.

[sub]...Urgh. This is giving the impression that I'm actually a teacher. I'm not yet. ._.[/sub]

 

[Dys]

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Because it takes more than just reciting a lesson plan you can read out of the answer textbook?

A student can recite an answer from a textbook, any teacher who simply does so is incompetent and if there was not a debilitating teacher shortage, would most likely be fired for such incompetence. Teaching isn't just reading answers from textbooks, and even if it was all the stress and responsibility associated with handly 30+ kids still necissitates a higher level of pay and more respect than what they are currently given. You clearly have little to no concept of just how little power current teachers have, you try coordinating 30 kids who've been sitting still for an hour and a half without so much as raising your voice...then you can complain about them being "overpaid".

 

[Shru1kan]

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Because it takes more than just reciting a lesson plan you can read out of the answer textbook?

A student can recite an answer from a textbook, any teacher who simply does so is incompetent and if there was not a debilitating teacher shortage, would most likely be fired for such incompetence. Teaching isn't just reading answers from textbooks, and even if it was all the stress and responsibility associated with handly 30+ kids still necissitates a higher level of pay and more respect than what they are currently given. You clearly have little to no concept of just how little power current teachers have, you try coordinating 30 kids who've been sitting still for an hour and a half without so much as raising your voice...then you can complain about them being "overpaid".

I definitely said underpaid. Have fun.

 

[Dys]

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Because it takes more than just reciting a lesson plan you can read out of the answer textbook?

A student can recite an answer from a textbook, any teacher who simply does so is incompetent and if there was not a debilitating teacher shortage, would most likely be fired for such incompetence. Teaching isn't just reading answers from textbooks, and even if it was all the stress and responsibility associated with handly 30+ kids still necissitates a higher level of pay and more respect than what they are currently given. You clearly have little to no concept of just how little power current teachers have, you try coordinating 30 kids who've been sitting still for an hour and a half without so much as raising your voice...then you can complain about them being "overpaid".

I definitely said underpaid. Have fun.

That's a rather good point, I may have confused you with the op for a little bit there >>

 

[feather240]

College and Private Schools? No
Public? Yes

How much of the stuff you learn in public schools do you even use? English, math, and science maybe, but everything else is for less practical reasons, excluding economics. Now how much do you kids learn in public schools? If both the teachers and students are motivated, a lot. If not, well a lot of important people failed or skipped school.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Might be fun, but I don't want my education to be screwed because Mr. Simon didn't feel like teaching math this month.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

I for one, think they're a bunch of ungrateful bastards with ridiculously large paychecks, but given how vital their career is, they deserve it.

Ahaahahahahahhahahahahahahah.

No.

If you seriously think Teachers have huge paychecks and not much work, be one for a bit.

UK Teacher: Average Salary is £30,889. 45 weeks a year. 7 hours a day. 5 days a week.

This DOESN'T include overtime, which is unpaid. Tax takes a third of that.

US teacher: Average Salary is around $30,000 as well (going from £22k in the poorer states to $55k in the higher states).

But enough of the niceties, here's some nastier parts: http://everything2.com/title/How+to+survive+student+teaching

Plan on working 50-60 hours a week, not to mention time at home you'll use to plan, grade papers, and recuperate.

It's true what they say: you want as few outside responsibilities as possible while you're student teaching. If you can avoid taking classes, working, planning weddings, buying houses, and getting pregnant, do so. If you live on your own income, my advice is to work your butt off the summer before and save up enough money so you don't have to work while you're student teaching.

Now realise that there is almost nothing to stop you getting fired permanently if anyone finds anything "dodgy" in your background, or if you are involved in a scandal, even if you are innocent.

And then put them next to Bank Managers, Entertainers or Politicians salaries; each of which are not as important as Education.

Ten Year.


Commit a Misdemeanor? No one cares. Commit a Felony? You're fired.

A teacher could really just tell his kids to look in the book, and never get fired if they have ten year.

 

[Daniel Cygnus]

For a second, I thought this was about K-12 teachers, who are tragically underpaid. Either way, I'd still support it, although I will admit I feel much less sympathy for a well-paid college professor than an elementary school teacher who's struggling to get by.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Ten Year.

Commit a Misdemeanor? No one cares. Commit a Felony? You're fired.

A teacher could really just tell his kids to look in the book, and never get fired if they have ten year.

I would have understood that better with the word "Tenure"

It only protects some Colleges in USA/Canada though. And it doesn't protect you from students/parents with an ax to grind.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Ten Year.

Commit a Misdemeanor? No one cares. Commit a Felony? You're fired.

A teacher could really just tell his kids to look in the book, and never get fired if they have ten year.

I would have understood that better with the word "Tenure"

It only protects some Colleges in USA/Canada though. And it doesn't protect you from students/parents with an ax to grind.

Wow



For 15 years, I've always thought it was Ten Year.


Tenure makes so much sense.


I am thoroughly embarrassed.

 

[BonsaiK]

I've recently heard that Ontario college teachers are planning on going on strike. This got me thinking as to whether teachers should be considered essential services like hospital workers and police.

I for one, think they're a bunch of ungrateful bastards with ridiculously large paychecks, but given how vital their career is, they deserve it.

Here's an old November link:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2009/12/c8728.html

Teaching is one of the most important roles in our society. These people should be paid high wages.

Sadly this is rarely the case, and what's more, teaching also involves a lot of unpaid work, as most teacher only get paid for class time, not things like marking assignments etc. Teachers are very poorly paid where I live, it's one of the worst paid professions there is. Low-paid teachers means that those teachers potentially care less and less about the standards to which they teach. There should be monetary incentive for teachers to do a good job, and if this doesn't exist, then I don't see striking as a problem but as a road to a solution.

 

[JaredXE]

I've recently heard that Ontario college teachers are planning on going on strike. This got me thinking as to whether teachers should be considered essential services like hospital workers and police.

I for one, think they're a bunch of ungrateful bastards with ridiculously large paychecks, but given how vital their career is, they deserve it.

Here's an old November link:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2009/12/c8728.html

If only they got paid like essential service people.

Wait, if only we paid these people AS IF THEY WERE ESSENTIAL. People who deserve better pay: Teachers, Firefighters, Police, Soldiers.

People who have no reason to get the pay they do: Athletes and Movie Stars.

 

[rokkolpo]

i'd like a few extra weeks of vacation.....

what!? is that so strange.

 

[Lonan]

I for one, think they're a bunch of ungrateful bastards with ridiculously large paychecks, but given how vital their career is, they deserve it.

Wow, teachers in Canada must be payed way better than teachers in the U.S.

Anyways, if their paychecks are as large as you say, then I guess I oppose it. But if they're practically living in poverty, like the teachers where I live, then I support it entirely.

My sister just told me they get paid around a 100,000 grand a year for what they do. They definitely deserve it, teaching is probably the most important job in the world, and stunting students for several months, even a full year, strikes me as irksome.

$100 000?! The teachers went on strike about a decade ago in Alberta, (just a few days, not even a week, I was disappointed) and someone mentioned that in Japan they work longer hours and get less money. That didn't really work out. They now get $49 000 a year starting salary. But ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND?!
I know it's 22 Minutes, and for B.C., but is this kind of the most negative feelings people have for teachers in Ontario?

http://www.vidoemo.com/yvideo.php?i=TW1Lek1vcWuRpRnBXR2c&teachers-who-walk-out-on-anything

*edit* there was another one from Rick Mercer talking about Ontario teachers buying out something that has nothing to do with teaching and basically just expanding their power, but I can't find it. And the CBC is making people pay to look at archives now, probably because their funding got cut.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

I've recently heard that Ontario college teachers are planning on going on strike. This got me thinking as to whether teachers should be considered essential services like hospital workers and police.

I for one, think they're a bunch of ungrateful bastards with ridiculously large paychecks, but given how vital their career is, they deserve it.

Here's an old November link:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2009/12/c8728.html

If only they got paid like essential service people.

Wait, if only we paid these people AS IF THEY WERE ESSENTIAL. People who deserve better pay: Teachers, Firefighters, Police, Soldiers.

People who have no reason to get the pay they do: Athletes and Movie Stars.

I'd like to add politicians to the second list.

I am aways in favour of the workers' right to srike even if I'm sometimes against the cause.
Some of my friends are public-sector teachers, so I am fully aware that their wages and treatment are less than people of their importance should receive. Private-sector I'm not 100% sure about.
The amount of crap teachers have to put up with easily earns them the right to complain about wages.