Poll: The Empire from Star Wars vs The Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40.000, which would win?

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Jazzyjazz2323

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Ewd8OeYEA&feature=related
This video alone shows how awesome and unbeatable the guard is!
Say what you will but I'm pretty sure for every stormtrooper there is there are probably 10-20 guardsmen ready to kill him and he's probably only worth about 5 of those guardsmen.
 

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This is not a question. This is not a debate. Star Wars loses. In all seriousness the Imperium of Man battles more threatening foes the the Galactic Empire of a daily basis.

Eclectic Dreck said:
The Guard is numbers in the billions.
If you meant "in the billions for various star systems", then yes, I agree.

To further add unnecessary wordage, consider the might of a chapter of Space Marines.
1,000 fearless super-soldiers. Armed, armoured and modified to the point of nigh invulnerability against 21st century weapons.
10 Captains, each with over a century of battle experience.
A handful of Librarians, most far more dangerous than the dark Jedi that the empire can field, and there's less than 10 of those.
The Chapter Master. A soldier, general and ruler. Accountable only to others of his
rank. A living legend.
Then there are tanks, bikes made for battle, landspeeders, dreadnaughts and even the transport. (I mean how could Stormtroopers bring down a Rhino or Razorback?)
Associated underlings and servants.
And don't forget the spacecraft and space/surface transport. (I admit my knowledge of these is lacking.)

That is the average force (that I can think of) that a Space Marine chapter can bring to bare. There are at lest 1,000 such chapters. Some of them with far more than the above description.
And if think what the rebels used to bring down the empire, it's a lot less dangerous than that. Not to mention the trillions of Imperial Guards, The Sisters of Battle, The inquisition and all the horrors it can choose to wield, the many and varied orders of assassins, The Titan Legions and the Planetary Defense Forces.

Yes the PDF are the red-shits for the Imperial Guard who are the setting's Red-Shirt Army. BUT I judge them to be a notch below Stormtroopers. And if given the right equipment and proper leadership the could probably go toe to toe with the Empire's favorite infantry.
 

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Attention Haseo21:
We have exterminatus missiles. Some of which leave the planet usable after.
 

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Where's the option for "Lets pick a fight between the two and watch them annihilate each other or at least cripple each other so we can wreck them both?"

Oh well, I'll just drop some Darth Vader in here:
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
 

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
It's Emperor Class Battleships against Imperial Star Destroyers, Adeptus Astartes (Space Marines) against Sith, Imperial Guard vs. the clone storm trooper army and the Adeptus Mechanicus against droid armies. In other words: all out mayhem. Which one will be victorious after this apocalyptic battle for supremacy?
Spacecraft wise, I think the Empire has the advantage, simply from the fact most Imperial vessels have the majority of their firepower to the sides of the craft. Overall, comes down to maneuvering.

Space Marines VS Sith? Space Marines. They're version of Jedi would be Psykers, and a single space marine is pretty damn scary, let alone a squad of ten. Not to mention the Bolter alone tosses it in their favor. Block it with your lightsaber? probably going to lead to a nice .75 Cal explosion near your body. And good luck blocking ten marines opening fire at once, one mistake and your pink mist

Quick edit: Imperial Guard VS Storm Troopers: Imperial Guard. Not quite as armored (I'd imagine), but wielding pretty much the same weapon. So it comes down to sheer numbers on that one. Along with all the armored support they have (enough tanks to make General Patton go pale, or cry tears of joy)

Adeptus Mechanicus vs Droid armies? Titans, that is all.

So, assuming the majority of the war is determined by ground warfare, which is usually the case (capture a planet, deny the enemy territory), it would sway into the Imperium's favor (much to the hatred of my star wars friends)

The only wild card we'd have to deal with is the effects of Lightsabers on high speed solid rounds. As far as I'm aware, Star Wars hasn't dealt with solid round ammunition and lightsabers, so they would either melt them down (like typical metal objects), or the round would explode upon contact (Bolter rounds are explosive, armor piercing rounds after all)
 

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What about other fractions within the 40k universe such as the Tau Empire, A Ork Waaagh, Eldar Craftworlds, a Chaos Space marine Legion Or Daemonic attack. How do you think that the Empire would react to these great powers?
 

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The Imperium by far.
Titan legions, the sheer, staggering number of Imperial Guard, the brutality of their armour, the absolutely unmatchable battle expertise of the Space Marines and given the fact that the Imperial Navy isn't exactly something to be scoffed at either...

Oh and if those Jedi/Sith with their force powers come along, just send in a detachment of Grey Knights whose litany embroidered armour does away with some of the most powerful forces of the warp and their own psychic power alone is a force to be reckoned with.

Storm Troopers get wrecked, any vehicles get laughed off, Star Destroyers and likely even the Death Star get turned into space debris and their force users become cowering little bitches under the iron clad arms of the Grey Knights.
 

Katherine Kerensky

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One thing that just occurred to me...
When was the Empire last involved in a bloody battle?
I can't think of any in which blood was spilled on, say, the scale of a battle in which the Imperial Guard are involved.
The soldiers of the Empire are too used to clean battles. The Imperial Guard of the Imperium are used to fighting, bleeding, and dying. They are used to dirty warfare.
The Imperium would win, simply because it can. It has much more important things to do than worry about a small upstart empire that is defeated by teddy bears at their most important battle.
 

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Reveras said:
On a side note, this is one hell of a movie (bought it and watched it):
Really? I've spent about 3 hours watching the trailer, but I thought it might not have enough going for it.
I'll definitely watch it at some point though. I keep shouting at my brother when reviving him on Borderlands "Get up and kill this beast" If he gets knocked down on a boss

Also - the Imperium will see the Force as a manifestation of the warp. They will never join.
 

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The Forces of Chaos said:
What about other fractions within the 40k universe such as the Tau Empire, A Ork Waaagh, Eldar Craftworlds, a Chaos Space marine Legion Or Daemonic attack. How do you think that the Empire would react to these great powers?
Probably get flattened.

Tau: Superior firepower, by far. Laser weapons vs plasma weapons? no contest.

Ork: Sheer numbers. If the Imperial Guard were bad, the Orks are worse. Also, they like to get up close and personal, and tend to be pretty pain resistant too, so a hail of laser-fire might only cut down a few ranks.

Eldar: Iffy, but then again, the entire race could be considered Jedi if we want to consider the powers of Psykers like the powers of Jedi, which in reality they are pretty close. Just different power sources.

Chaos Marines: Same argument as the Space Marines, except, well... They come with Daemons.

Daemons: Yeah... Just... Yeah... No contest. Strike anywhere, anytime, the only real restrictions being the ebb and flow of the warp. And seeing as Khorne alone loves war, he might do something about that...
 

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Ya Imperium of Man wins this one, those StormTroopers might sound scary but they are no more then pretty cannon fodder, while 40k space marines are genetically enhanced walking brick shit house war bread fanatic psycho killers... you just can't beat that.
 
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Wabblefish said:
I reckon the Empire from Star Wars were pretty good, they have kazillions of credits and power. Then again their best soldiers were beaten by a bunch of Ewoks and stormtroopers can't aim for crap.
You just reminded me of my favourite scene from the franchise.

"Credits will do fine"
"No they won't"
"Credits, WILL do fine"
"No, THEY WON'T"
 

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A lot of people are saying The Imperium in this thread. However since i have never played Warhammer 40k i'm going to roll with The Empire. Besides i'm going to guess The Imperium doesn't have a space station that can destroy planets.
 

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hah the Imperium of man has the Space Marines with bullets the size of a forearm. Versus a stormtroopers with his puny lazer gun. yeh im going with the 9' tall power armored killing machines. Plus the Imperial Guard alone has a standing army measured in the Billions! My money is on the Imperium of Man! FOR THE EMPEROR!
 

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Who the fuck's voting for star wars here? Even if they had better weaponry and soldiers, which they don't the numbers they can bring to bear are pathetic compared to just the Imperial Guard. The Imperium has these things called Hive worlds, which are like Coruscant but with a fuckton more people. There's billions upon billions of people on each world. There's probably hundreds of Guardsmen for each Stormtooper.
 

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
A lot of people are saying The Imperium in this thread. However since i have never played Warhammer 40k i'm going to roll with The Empire. Besides i'm going to guess The Imperium doesn't have a space station that can destroy planets.
Unfortunately, the Imperium doesn't need space stations for that, when quite a number of their military ships are capable of that by their lonesome >.>
Don't hear much about space stations with W40K, but you know Luna, our moon?
They turned that into an orbital fortress, hollowed it out, and turned it into a huge shipyard.
A shipyard-fortress that survived through the battle of Terra.
Warhammer 40,000 is the grim dark future for a reason >.>
Being a person on an Imperial planet means your life can end at any second, as an inquisitor could find heresy on the other side of the world and decide to use the Exterminatus just to be sure he removed it all >.>
 

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It's kind of strange to me to see so many people saying that the imperium would win 100% absolutely no contest what-so-ever. I think the empire could win quite easily:

- the hyperdrive the empire uses is a far more stable technology then the warp travel thingy the imperium uses (no getting lost in the warp, getting eaten by space demons, comming out in a different place or at a different time than you planned) and much much faster. This gives the empire a huge tactical advantage, and enables them to use hit and run tactics to hit key positions in the imperium.
This, i think is a far bigger problem for the impreium than many people think. I'm no expert, but as far as i've read (not that much, to be honest), the imperium is by no means as cohesive as some people think or as it should be. At times entire worlds are simply lost. Comunication fails, and contact is not established again for hundreds of years (or more, at times). And this is not counting the times when foul play is involved. Fringe worlds fade in and out of the imperium all the time (i read about certain crusades/expeditions/etc that brought back worlds into the imperium that had been forgotten for centuries, or millenia).
It takes the imperium months, and sometimes up to a year to reach some of the more isolated worlds, and even the central ones don't fare any better. In short, warp travel is considerably slower than hyperdrive travel. And mobility is a BIG deal.

- a lot of people point out that storm troopers can't shoot for shit. As the joke goes, that is true against main protagonists. :p But in general they are quite competent. They were able to forge an empire after all, and they were cloned after a VERY competent individual. Plus, there are a lot of them. They are clones after all, they are easy to get in high numbers.
As far as the imperial guard is concerned, their greatest strength is "strength of numbers" also. As far as i've read about them (from their codex and other sources), the main strategy of the guard is just to overpower the enemy numerically, to crush them under a pile of bodies. Casualties are often times huge. I also think i've read that the life expectancy for the average guardsman once battle starts is 15 minutes. Also, a very common joke among warhammer players is that they are armed with flashlights. Generally guardsmen are effective in large numbers and with heavy support.

- the imperium is very close minded about technology. Progress exists but it is very very slow. A lot of technology has been lost entirely. I remember there were quite a few weapons and vehicles and stuff that couldn't be produced any more and the techpriest or whatever they were simply tried their best to maintain the ones that still existed. If one of those was lost, it was lost for good, and this generally tends to be their most advanced technology. And now that i've mentioned them: tech priests. The imperium is full of stupid superstition. They treat new technology with great fear and combine the one they have religion (machine spirits and prayers and rituals to them and other crap).

- the golden throne and the astronomican. As far as i know, the astronomican, powered by the emperor (and the souls of a lot of psykers per day) is what keeps space travel possible for the imperium. If the emperor dies, or the astronomican is destroyed, then the imperiums forces can't use warp travel anymore, as they need the beacon that the astronomican provides. This is a HUUUUUGE vulnerability. True, Holy Terra is well defended, but with the mobility the empire possesses, if it finds out about this, a single massive, well coordonated strike can end the imperiums warp travel capability. You can imagine the rest.

Like i said, i'm no expert as far as any of those two universes is concerned, but i think a lot of people are not thinking enough stuff through.
 

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
A lot of people are saying The Imperium in this thread. However since i have never played Warhammer 40k i'm going to roll with The Empire. Besides i'm going to guess The Imperium doesn't have a space station that can destroy planets.
Oh they do. They're called the Blackstone Fortresses (Although I'm not entirely sure how many are left. Even so there's the Exterminatus). What's better, get a couple together and you can make a supernova.

OT: Gonna have to go with the Imperium of Man. I'm a sucker for the IG. Also, BANEBLADES!

 

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Reveras said:
On a side note, this is one hell of a movie (bought it and watched it):
glad i've watched it, but its a terrible movie XD I had my hopes that it would have more large scale firefights. Ah well it still feels like a WH40k movie. Always love the way everyone talks in that universe.
 

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Kungfu_Teddybear said:
Besides i'm going to guess The Imperium doesn't have a space station that can destroy planets.
They don't need a station for it. Most of their normal warships are quite capable of that. A few Cyclonic torpedos will do just fine. ;)