Poll: The Falklands

[corporate_gamer]

The solution is easy - let the people of the Falklands decide for themselves. Let them have a referendum.

Add that to your poll options and I'll vote.

In that case it should be noted that the Islanders have said they would reject british sovoreignty

Im pretty sure the last straw poll i saw came out with a vast majority of the islanders wanting it to be kept as is. Although that may be because i live in England and the press is somewhat biased in our favour.

Tbh in all these cases i'm in favour of self-rule, Devolution or independence. But really feel it's the choice of the people who live there.

 

[Abedeus]

It totally should be Polish. Why? Because we saved your ass in the Battle of Britain and you still sold us to Stalin, that's why.

What?
No really, what?

Kukul has a sense of humour.

Are you implying I dont?

You both should learn your history.

Polish pilots contributed the MOST in the defense of the UK. And you did nothing to stop the commies from taking over our country.

While I do agree that polish and czech were great pilots, saying that they contributed MOST to the defense of the UK is an overstatement.
What were we supposed to do about the communists anyway? Russia singlehandedly managed to fight off the nazis from the eastern front so obviously they would expect their own sphere of influence just like the Americans.
The Allies saved Poland from the nazis anyway, so I think we can call it even.

You saved us? YOU? The commies "saved" us and then made our lives a living hell for the next 40-50 years. We are still suffering from the rules of the communists.

Are you implying I dont?

No, perhaps I should have worded it differently, something along the lines of 'Kukul can be a bit of a joker at times'.

I'm pretty sure it was the Russians that liberated Poland.

The Russians weren't much better than Germans. At least the Nazis weren't hiding their true intents.

And you did nothing to stop the commies from taking over our country.

Neither did you, so cease to moan.

Exactly, maybe if you Poles hadnt defended your country from the nazis so poorly you wouldnt have gotten in that mess.

edit: has anyone noticed how this thread has been royaly hijacked?

I wouldn't consider a month of defense a poor one, for a country still recuperating from the WWI and attacked by an overwhelming army. Every single allied country had a looooooooo...ong time to retailate and crush the Germans when they were busy fixing up their army after the first assault. They didn't. They let Hitler gather even more troops and heavy weaponry.

And you did nothing to stop the commies from taking over our country.

Neither did you, so cease to moan.

I want to see your country fighting both Nazis and Soviets at the same time. Come on, it would've been impossible even for the USA or Japan.

 

[Bretty]

The only reason the Argentinians invaded the Falklands was because the military dictator needed an easy victory to appease the populace...

To give the islands to the Argentinians would be nothing more than a slight to all those military personel who lost their lives securing them.

I would say that the number of British flags flown on those islands tell you exactly which way the islanders would go.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

The Allies saved Poland from the nazis anyway, so I think we can call it even.

I'm pretty sure it was the Russians that liberated Poland.

That's what I said, Russia was part of the Allied forces.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

You saved us? YOU? The commies "saved" us and then made our lives a living hell for the next 40-50 years. We are still suffering from the rules of the communists.

Yes WE the Allied forces, Russia was part of the Allied forces with America and Britain.

And why are you blaming the Brits for 50 years of communist oppression?
The point you are making is because you couldnt defend yourselves and your airforce made a minimal contribution to the Battle of Britain we should of risked making the Cold war into an actual war fought on the battlefields.
Do you realize how stupid that is?

 

[Zykon TheLich]

The Allies saved Poland from the nazis anyway, so I think we can call it even.

I'm pretty sure it was the Russians that liberated Poland.

That's what I said, Russia was part of the Allied forces.

I know, I was reading something into your statement you didn't mean. Since Abedeus was complaining about the UK not 'saving poland from the commies' I was assuming you meant the western allies.

 

[FinalGamer]

The solution is easy - let the people of the Falklands decide for themselves. Let them have a referendum.

Add that to your poll options and I'll vote.

Agreed, it's their goddamn island, it may be real close to Argentina but there's people living on there who quite frankly may not like the idea of other countries deciding "okay YOU have them then".
It's patronising and deprecating of certain rights and Gordon Brown is an arrogant prick.

 

[Abedeus]

You saved us? YOU? The commies "saved" us and then made our lives a living hell for the next 40-50 years. We are still suffering from the rules of the communists.

Yes WE the Allied forces, Russia was part of the Allied forces with America and Britain.

And why are you blaming the Brits for 50 years of communist oppression?
The point you are making is because you couldnt defend yourselves and your airforce made a minimal contribution to the Battle of Britain we should of risked making the Cold war into an actual war fought on the battlefields.
Do you realize how stupid that is?

I'm blaming the Allies. All of them. If you call 50 years of oppression instead of 5 years of war a "saving", then I guess bombing Pearl Harbor was "a friendly welcome from Japan" kamikaze style?

We couldn't defend ourselves against Nazis AND the Soviets. I mean, how can you defend against someone that backstabs you in the moment of need and becomes the new enemy?


Also, I don't know if you see something stupid here.

Germany attacked Poland - NO HELP.

Suddenly, UK is attacked. And there are countries to help, and you claim you won. You wouldn't have won if you were alone against the Nazis. The only reason people helped you is because if they got the UK, they would have a perfect place to advance their campaign.

 

[BigKingBob]

The solution is easy - let the people of the Falklands decide for themselves. Let them have a referendum.

Add that to your poll options and I'll vote.

Agreed, it's their goddamn island, it may be real close to Argentina but there's people living on there who quite frankly may not like the idea of other countries deciding "okay YOU have them then".
It's patronising and deprecating of certain rights and Gordon Brown is an arrogant prick.

Hey, hang on, it's our goddamned group of islands, we fought a damn war over them. They're British subjects, they don't just get to vote themselves out from under our rule, especially after we gave so much to defend them!

 

[Darkintent]

Well we could have another war if you want a decider?
(lol at forthcoming abusement)

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

The Falkands are cold, wet and windy; They must be part of the UK!

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

I'm blaming the Allies. All of them. If you call 50 years of oppression instead of 5 years of war a "saving", then I guess bombing Pearl Harbor was "a friendly welcome from Japan" kamikaze style?

We couldn't defend ourselves against Nazis AND the Soviets. I mean, how can you defend against someone that backstabs you in the moment of need and becomes the new enemy?


Also, I don't know if you see something stupid here.

Germany attacked Poland - NO HELP.

Suddenly, UK is attacked. And there are countries to help, and you claim you won. You wouldn't have won if you were alone against the Nazis. The only reason people helped you is because if they got the UK, they would have a perfect place to advance their campaign.

What the hell are you talking about?
World war 2 broke out because of the nazi invasion of Poland. Both Great Britain and France declared war on germany because of this.
The only reason France and Britain didnt fight in Poland was because Germany was already advancing towards France and captured Paris after a couple of months.The war would of ended much sooner if only France hadnt surrenderd so soon.

How could we protect you if we were already being attacked ourselves?

 

[Abedeus]

I'm blaming the Allies. All of them. If you call 50 years of oppression instead of 5 years of war a "saving", then I guess bombing Pearl Harbor was "a friendly welcome from Japan" kamikaze style?

We couldn't defend ourselves against Nazis AND the Soviets. I mean, how can you defend against someone that backstabs you in the moment of need and becomes the new enemy?


Also, I don't know if you see something stupid here.

Germany attacked Poland - NO HELP.

Suddenly, UK is attacked. And there are countries to help, and you claim you won. You wouldn't have won if you were alone against the Nazis. The only reason people helped you is because if they got the UK, they would have a perfect place to advance their campaign.

What the hell are you talking about?
World war 2 broke out because of the nazi invasion of Poland. Both Great Britain and France declared war on germany because of this.
The only reason France and Britain didnt fight in Poland was because Germany was already advancing towards France and captured Paris after a couple of months.The war would of ended much sooner if only France hadnt surrenderd so soon.

How could we protect you if we were already being attacked ourselves?

You were attacked much, much later than we were. Don't tell me you all were attacked by the Germans at the same time, that would be a horrible lie.

They captured Paris. AFTER. FEW. MONTHS. I think it would take less than a month for the French to advance and take over Berlin. Or at least make the Germans fall back to protect their land.

The UK wasn't attacked until much later.

And the war would've ended much sooner if the allies reacted a bit faster. Like, after 2 weeks since the first assault? Also, there was little point in helping Poland when you were being attacked. Not because that would be stupid - helping an ally while having problems ourselves (oh, wait, we did that with the UK... and few other countries... my bad), but the war over Poland was over by then.

Allies decided to intervene. In February/March 1940. In Norway. And France was attacked in May 1940. Nine months... Come on, they had nine months to prepare for an attack.

 

[Lord George]

I'm blaming the Allies. All of them. If you call 50 years of oppression instead of 5 years of war a "saving", then I guess bombing Pearl Harbor was "a friendly welcome from Japan" kamikaze style?

We couldn't defend ourselves against Nazis AND the Soviets. I mean, how can you defend against someone that backstabs you in the moment of need and becomes the new enemy?


Also, I don't know if you see something stupid here.

Germany attacked Poland - NO HELP.

Suddenly, UK is attacked. And there are countries to help, and you claim you won. You wouldn't have won if you were alone against the Nazis. The only reason people helped you is because if they got the UK, they would have a perfect place to advance their campaign.

What the hell are you talking about?
World war 2 broke out because of the nazi invasion of Poland. Both Great Britain and France declared war on germany because of this.
The only reason France and Britain didnt fight in Poland was because Germany was already advancing towards France and captured Paris after a couple of months.The war would of ended much sooner if only France hadnt surrenderd so soon.

How could we protect you if we were already being attacked ourselves?

You were attacked much, much later than we were. Don't tell me you all were attacked by the Germans at the same time, that would be a horrible lie.

They captured Paris. AFTER. FEW. MONTHS. I think it would take less than a month for the French to advance and take over Berlin. Or at least make the Germans fall back to protect their land.

The UK wasn't attacked until much later.

And the war would've ended much sooner if the allies reacted a bit faster. Like, after 2 weeks since the first assault? Also, there was little point in helping Poland when you were being attacked. Not because that would be stupid - helping an ally while having problems ourselves (oh, wait, we did that with the UK... and few other countries... my bad), but the war over Poland was over by then.

Allies decided to intervene. In February/March 1940. In Norway. And France was attacked in May 1940. Nine months... Come on, they had nine months to prepare for an attack.

So you would have preferred it if we had just left Poland and the war alone, would have worked out better for us as well. We'd be fine in the UK, we'd save all our resources and money, America would never have become powerful and I wouldn't have to study bloody war poetry. In regards to the Falklands, I have no idea why we don't just give it up. It dosen't serve any purpose past strategic sheep farming.

 

[Ken Korda]

The only reason the Argentinians invaded the Falklands was because the military dictator needed an easy victory to appease the populace...

To give the islands to the Argentinians would be nothing more than a slight to all those military personel who lost their lives securing them.

I would say that the number of British flags flown on those islands tell you exactly which way the islanders would go.

Did you know that prior to the Falklands War, Margeret Thatcher actually reduced both the military spending and the actual defences in the Falklands?

The embarassingly right-wing British leadership then used the political captial they gained from the Falklands victory to advance their neo-liberal agenda, leading to mass privatisation and millions unemployed. The continuation of this economic policy eventually culminated with Britain being forced to devalue its currency and exit the ERM. This destroyed public perception of the Tories as having a competent economic policy.

Hence New Labour got elected and decided the best thing to do was to continue along the same policy route which inevitably led to the current recession. Now the Conservetives will get re-elected and the whole process will be exacerbated.

Sorry to wonder off-topic but it's interesting to link the event of the Falklands war to the current economic failure.

 

[Abedeus]

I'm blaming the Allies. All of them. If you call 50 years of oppression instead of 5 years of war a "saving", then I guess bombing Pearl Harbor was "a friendly welcome from Japan" kamikaze style?

We couldn't defend ourselves against Nazis AND the Soviets. I mean, how can you defend against someone that backstabs you in the moment of need and becomes the new enemy?


Also, I don't know if you see something stupid here.

Germany attacked Poland - NO HELP.

Suddenly, UK is attacked. And there are countries to help, and you claim you won. You wouldn't have won if you were alone against the Nazis. The only reason people helped you is because if they got the UK, they would have a perfect place to advance their campaign.

What the hell are you talking about?
World war 2 broke out because of the nazi invasion of Poland. Both Great Britain and France declared war on germany because of this.
The only reason France and Britain didnt fight in Poland was because Germany was already advancing towards France and captured Paris after a couple of months.The war would of ended much sooner if only France hadnt surrenderd so soon.

How could we protect you if we were already being attacked ourselves?

You were attacked much, much later than we were. Don't tell me you all were attacked by the Germans at the same time, that would be a horrible lie.

They captured Paris. AFTER. FEW. MONTHS. I think it would take less than a month for the French to advance and take over Berlin. Or at least make the Germans fall back to protect their land.

The UK wasn't attacked until much later.

And the war would've ended much sooner if the allies reacted a bit faster. Like, after 2 weeks since the first assault? Also, there was little point in helping Poland when you were being attacked. Not because that would be stupid - helping an ally while having problems ourselves (oh, wait, we did that with the UK... and few other countries... my bad), but the war over Poland was over by then.

Allies decided to intervene. In February/March 1940. In Norway. And France was attacked in May 1940. Nine months... Come on, they had nine months to prepare for an attack.

So you would have preferred it if we had just left Poland and the war alone, would have worked out better for us as well. We'd be fine in the UK, we'd save all our resources and money, America would never have become powerful and I wouldn't have to study bloody war poetry. In regards to the Falklands, I have no idea why we don't just give it up. It dosen't serve any purpose past strategic sheep farming.

Yes, I'd really prefer if you just stopped Hitler. And if the Soviets left us alone, being nice allies of ours.

Oh, and you wouldn't be okay. You know that food rationing was going on during the war in Britian? And after the Germans would've attacked you, you would soon loose. It would be just a matter of time.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

The only reason the Argentinians invaded the Falklands was because the military dictator needed an easy victory to appease the populace...

To give the islands to the Argentinians would be nothing more than a slight to all those military personel who lost their lives securing them.

I would say that the number of British flags flown on those islands tell you exactly which way the islanders would go.

Did you know that prior to the Falklands War, Margeret Thatcher actually reduced both the military spending and the actual defences in the Falklands?

The embarassingly right-wing British leadership then used the political captial they gained from the Falklands victory to advance their neo-liberal agenda, leading to mass privatisation and millions unemployed. The continuation of this economic policy eventually culminated with Britain being forced to devalue its currency and exit the ERM. This destroyed public perception of the Tories as having a competent economic policy.

Hence New Labour got elected and decided the best thing to do was to continue along the same policy route which inevitably led to the current recession. Now the Conservetives will get re-elected and the whole process will be exacerbated.

Sorry to wonder off-topic but it's interesting to link the event of the Falklands war to the current economic failure.

I wish you would stand for election.

 

[bodyklok]

It should only remain in the sovereignty of the U.K for as long as the Falklanders want it to, which they have done for quiet some time so I can't see them changing their minds any time sone. And why would they want to belong to Argentina any way? No offense intended of course.