Poll: The Falklands

[Dele]

Oooh snappy comeback, you got me there.
Ok, seeing that you're the genius, explain to us all how America and Britain could of saved eastern Europe from communism without starting a nuclear war with Russia.

Soviets did not have nukes before 1949, so few nukes to Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev wins the war.

Dont worry ill pick up where Infamous left off, France and britain were in high economic trouble! they didn't have a strong enough army to punch all the way to berlin! are you mad?! countries dont just roll into another country like a wreaking ball, not without a superior force and finnancial backing which they had NONE!,they wouldn't of been able to cross rhineland!, and Russia had its eyes on you for years if germany didnt Russia would of, and by saying "Russia" and "Polands Good allies" In one sentance you sir lose any credibility you had on the damn subject, if you think about it everything up to now has fallen perfectly into place, polands part of the Eu its democratic, what do you have to ***** about now! you weren't even alive then! move on man, who gives a shit anymore?

and you do realise most of the east (Romania ect) supported germany? austria?, it was not GERMANY VS ALL in europe

europe wanted peace, but france and britain drew the line at poland they went agaisnt MASS PUBLIC OPINION to go to war. it wasn't their war! but they went into it! it wasn't irelands war but they went into it! (by sending troops and supplying information) by saying what your saying your spitting on the memories of those that died in that war, remember, they didn't have to go to polands aid, but they did

and also your claim of attacking germany within the month is impossible you cant just wake up one morning with a higly demilitarised army and say "right so were off to fuck germany" germany was the strongest power at the time in the west and central europe thier tanks unstopable i do not count russia since they were not players yet.

Ehm France and UK easily had the army to defeat Germany especially since it took huge losses in Poland despite fighting one front war. Stalin did not want to risk war against allies so he waited to see if UK and France would react to German invasion so Soviets would have been knocked out of the play. UK and France both invidually had a better economy than Germany and on top of this, Poland was allied with Romania and ready to fight over winter on good terrain if allies attack Germany. You even manage to commit the German tank fallacy. Sheesh Germany had the worst tanks of the war before fall of France, Panzer I/II could not even scratch allied tanks and Germany did not have any kind of working anti-tank weapons excluding AA guns.

Considering all of this, the war would have easily been won by Allies.

 

[orifice]

The falkland islands have been British territory for longer than argentina has existed as a country.Argentina originally wanted to buy it from us, they found out about the oil and hoped to con us out of the falklands for a low price. Fortunately we also found out about the oil before the deal was closed, and we promptly told them to shove their fraud attempt up their arse. Since then they have maintained a false territorial claim, based on lies and conjecture. If they come again we should not restrict the war to the islands, we should also bomb the crap out of the argentinian mainland.

 

[Doug]

The falkland islands have been British territory for longer than argentina has existed as a country.Argentina originally wanted to buy it from us, they found out about the oil and hoped to con us out of the falklands for a low price. Fortunately we also found out about the oil before the deal was closed, and we promptly told them to shove their fraud attempt up their arse. Since then they have maintained a false territorial claim, based on lies and conjecture. If they come again we should not restrict the war to the islands, we should also bomb the crap out of the argentinian mainland.

I don't know about oil, but you're right about the claim. Add to that, they refuse to recognize the rights of the people living there to self-determination.

 

[crimsonblast]

My favorite quote for the Falklands is

"Be prepared for FOUR seasons in one day."

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Oooh snappy comeback, you got me there.
Ok, seeing that you're the genius, explain to us all how America and Britain could of saved eastern Europe from communism without starting a nuclear war with Russia.

Soviets did not have nukes before 1949, so few nukes to Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev wins the war.

Poisoning all of Europe in the process.
And I highly doubt anyone was willing to start another world war just a couple of years after the last one.

 

[damselgaming]

As the wonderful Eddie Izzard says- they are important to the Uk due to their 'strategic sheep purposes'.

In other words- why the hell do we want another shitty island. Surely there are more important things to talk about- like the RECESSION for example.

 

[Doug]

As the wonderful Eddie Izzard says- they are important to the Uk due to their 'strategic sheep purposes'.

In other words- why the hell do we want another shitty island. Surely there are more important things to talk about- like the RECESSION for example.

Because the Argentines what it again. And we don't what to let the islanders be brutally oppressed by another Argentine invasion.

 

[Jamash]

is'nt the falklands a little island with about 3 or 4 sheep on it?

No, it also has Penguins.

Not just any Penguins, but the only wild British Penguins in our Empire (apart from the British Antarctic Territory).

If Argentina thinks we're going to give up our only wild Penguins, then she's got another thing coming.

They may have got their arses kicked in '82, but that's nothing compared to the world of pain they'll enter if they try to covet our Penguins again.

P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin? F-F-F-Fuck off or die more like!

Spoiler

God Save The Queen and all her loyal subjects

 

[Doug]

P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin? F-F-F-Fuck off or die more like!

Spoiler

God Save The Queen and all her loyal subjects

Sadly, the little buggers keep falling over when they watch the jets.

 

[asamoah19]

Yes, it is a vast overstatement. Which none of us made, you did it. We never said that "Poland won your battle". We helped the most of all non-British soldiers, which is a fact, as you can see in my previous post.

Still, you're implying that because polish pilots were the ones that helped the most among non british pilots the brits somehow owe you something.

Well, for the help AND the backstab we at least deserve a "thank you and sorry".

No. *You* don't deserve anything because *you* didn't do anything except type that shit there.

And you did nothing but flame me and try to defend your country.

Face it, your country screwed us royally. How else can you call giving lives of dozens of millions of people away to Soviets on a plate?

It was the Americans that appeased Stalin at the end of the war by giving them Poland, we didn't want to give it up as it was the reason we had gone to war in the first place. I know a man who wrote a very interesting book on the subject. Very informative. I'll find a link and edit it in later, at work now.

Also, the islands have always, are now and will always be British, because thats what the islanders want.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I side with the referendum, though I suspect the citizens will overwhelmingly choose to remain British.

 

[goodman528]

Of course the Falkland islands will remain British. This is a non-issue which should not even be discussed or ever brought up. So I completely agree with our PM's decision to not talk about it.

If the sovereignty of this island is in question, then what about all of the other islands the UK and the USA owns in distant parts of the world? If the UK concedes to a referendum on the Falklands, then what about all of the other little islands in the world, many uninhabited or near uninhabited?!

Referendum means there are legitimate questions about the sovereignty of this island, which is not the case. So even though the population will no doubt vote for UK in a referendum, but just having a referendum is to admit the sovereignty of these islands are in questions. And that, is already defeat for the UK, and has serious implications for every other country with disputed islands.

 

[gh0ti]

A referendum on this issue would be pointless. I know people from the Falkland Islands and have read a great deal on the war - the support for British sovereignty is overwhelming. Add to the fact that Argentina's claim to the islands is utterly devoid of logic and it's pretty obvious that these islands are legitimately under British control.

Basically, Argentina's claim is based on the fact that the islands are nearer to them than the UK and that in the nineteenth century they were under Argentinian rule. Under the same logic, the UN would have to review just about every overseas territory claimed by a particular nation to find its 'proper' owner. I mean, England itself is founded on a conquered island, the US a conquered continent and let's not even get started on the Middle East...

 

[Dele]

Poisoning all of Europe in the process.
And I highly doubt anyone was willing to start another world war just a couple of years after the last one.

There was this guy called Churchill...

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

Poisoning all of Europe in the process.
And I highly doubt anyone was willing to start another world war just a couple of years after the last one.

There was this guy called Churchill...

What about him?
Are you suggesting that a wartorn Britain would have started another war before '49?

 

[iron codpiece]

I'm going to remember this next time someone calls the US imperialists

 

[gh0ti]

I'm liking the fact that more than half of the posts on this thread are way OT, so much so that I'm going to weigh in.

Britain and France were ill prepared to fight an offensive war against Germany in 1939, not to mention that protecting Poland from Hitler would have also set them against the USSR. To suggest that the two countries could have prevented Poland from being occupied by either the Germans or Russians, pre-war or post-war is fallacy.

The Allies did the best they could by issuing the Polish Guarantee. They went to war for Poland in 1939, despite knowing that it could not be saved. They hoped all along that the threat of military action would deter Hitler from attacking Poland, but it did not and it would be very wrong to blame the Allies for failing to stop the occupation.

As for the post-1945, as others have said, this was the Cold War for a reason. The Russians had millions of troops in Eastern Europe, far, far more than the western Allies and there was no chance whatsoever of them being shifted without starting a global war of mutually assured destruction. Yes, Poland, among others were sacrificed, and this weighs heavy on the European conscience, but the alternative would have been much worse, not only for Britain, France and the US, but for the very people who were suffering under Soviet oppression.

 

[orifice]

The falkland islands have been British territory for longer than argentina has existed as a country.Argentina originally wanted to buy it from us, they found out about the oil and hoped to con us out of the falklands for a low price. Fortunately we also found out about the oil before the deal was closed, and we promptly told them to shove their fraud attempt up their arse. Since then they have maintained a false territorial claim, based on lies and conjecture. If they come again we should not restrict the war to the islands, we should also bomb the crap out of the argentinian mainland.

I don't know about oil, but you're right about the claim. Add to that, they refuse to recognize the rights of the people living there to self-determination.

Yup, there are 60 billionbarrels of oil under the north falklands basin. Thats more than saudi arabia has! Unfortunately we can't drill for it until various treaties involving the antarctic run out. This is happening relatively soon, thats why the 'argies' are trying to get the islands through subversion.

 

[Mr_spamamam]

the british should keep the Falklands. personally i think if we gave it away it would be dishonoring the memories of all those who died trying to keep the place british the first time round