Poll: The greatest army.

[Gruchul]

The Imperium of man is great and everything, but what about their plucky Chaos cousins? Near total control of the warp and daemons have to count for something, right (not to mention better space marines!)?

Traitor Marines are NOT better than loyal Space Marines. They're lesser warped versions of ancient cowards, with rotting armor and outdated machinery. They can only just barely stand up to loyal Astartes because of the warp-spawned filth they rely on so heavily. Damned Heretic.

Cowards? No, they simply lost a war (or were viciously attacked by the foul Space Wolves) and tactically retreated. Now every Chaos Space marine is the equivalent of a first company veteran due to their 10,000 years of fighting. Old tech is not bad tech in the 40k universe. As for 'rotting armour', are you sure you're not talking ill of one of papa Nurgle's fine gifts, granting resistance to disease and pain (through issue of disease and pain)?

 

[Super Toast]

My army in Mount & Blade. Does that count?

 

[Broken Boy]

SITH SITH SITH FTW!!!

Tech dosn't even really enter into it for me Sith are just aaaawsome... Imo!


; )

 

[GrinningManiac]

Space Marines are a no-brainer, but I'm gonna go for the British Army

Spoiler: after all, they did this

I mean, these guys joined the army back then (1700s-1900s) because that's what you did when you hit rock bottom, they spent a few weeks getting trained to (barely) use a musket, and then they were shipped out all over the world to fight the French, Afghans, Indians, Zulus, Sikhs (these guys were the most powerful "native" armed force on the planet at the time) and so on and suchforth.

Also, before them, there was the New Model Army, raised by the Parlimentarians to fight the King in the English Civil War. At the time (mid 17th Century), they were the best-trained, deadliest, most intellegent and politically aware/involved army that had EVER existed.

 

[Pingupower]

The necromongers ftw!

 

[Mighty the Moose]

None of those pansies.

The combined military forces of the United States could kick any a** that attacks us. Just ask Hitler what he thought of our Armed forces, he resides at 666 OH MY GOD I AM BURNING, Hell.

the enclave is america, and they would whoop the ass of our america tenfold. why? does frank horrigan ring a bell? also our military is now low in number thanks to dumbasses wasting all our resources and this kind of crap has happened before. you cite hitler but you forget america didn't win WWII. the russians did. all america ever do was to blow its own horn and take credit for what russians DIED for.

Well you got one thing correct at least, the Russians certainly had a special talent for dying in droves. No one did a better job getting killed in WWII than Russian troops, its almost as if they were trained specifically to not live through an engagement.

 

[Jewrean]

We are the Imperial Guard. In nomine Deus Imperator.

Fuck yes. Although without the Baneblade they will fall.

Oh and what the hell is with all of you bitching about WW2 above me?

America and Russia both whooped Germany's ass together. Quite simply if anyone is dumb enough to think that their army is the best in the world then you need to back it up with substantial evidence or else it's just an opinion.

 

[jjofearth]

...Mother Russia, biznatches.

Rule No 1 of war: Don't invade Russia.
Rule No 2 of war: Really, don't invade Russia.
Rule No 3 of war: Really, seriously, don't fucking invade Russia.
Rule No 4 of war: Trenches suck.
Rule No 5 of war: Know thy enemy.
Rule No 6 of war: Don't invade Russia, you dipshits. They will take your mother's bones and shove them up your rectum so far that you can taste them. I once knew a guy who tried to invade Russia, and his skin was flayed off by a thousand bearded men riding bears. Then they looked through his wallet, found the address of his country farm, killed his family, sheared his sheep, took all of his potatoes for vodka, and then pissed on his carrots. His carrots were instantly blighted with plague, which spread throughout the land and killed everyone he had ever known, by making them go insane and invade their earholes with rich tea biscuits. After they had done that, they rode home drunk on bears, killed an old lady and a girl guides group, and did a Cossack dance on their graves.
Rule No 7 of war: Don't invade Russia.

 

[Cazza]

Delak Empire. I know in Dr who the Doctor always wins. But they fought a war through time and space and lived though the war.

 

[Mighty the Moose]

None of those pansies.

The combined military forces of the United States could kick any a** that attacks us. Just ask Hitler what he thought of our Armed forces, he resides at 666 OH MY GOD I AM BURNING, Hell.

the enclave is america, and they would whoop the ass of our america tenfold. why? does frank horrigan ring a bell? also our military is now low in number thanks to dumbasses wasting all our resources and this kind of crap has happened before. you cite hitler but you forget america didn't win WWII. the russians did. all america ever do was to blow its own horn and take credit for what russians DIED for.

Well you got one thing correct at least, the Russians certainly had a special talent for dying in droves. No one did a better job getting killed in WWII than Russian troops, its almost as if they were trained specifically to not live through an engagement.

russians invaded berlin and ended the war; russians won WWII, not the US. the enclave was basically fallout america and we cannot compete against the armed american troops of fallout's time. the low on number thing is also true because talk has risen about the draft coming back and how they may have to rely on national guard soon.

The National Guard is already in Iraq and Afghanistan and was mobilized for deployment at the beginning of both wars. The possibility of the draft being reinstated is slim at best, and virtually impossible for the timeframes of the Iraq and Afghan wars. I believe a Congressman from NY introduced a Bill to reinstate the draft, but obviously it is just a symbolic gesture.

I could care less about the Enclave vs the Aliens or the Mongols or whatever.

You do realize that WWII was comprised of both the European and the Pacific theaters correct? I'm also going to assume you know that Japan did not surrender when the Russians entered Berlin. If memory serves, I think some sort of big bomb (two?) made the Japanese reconsider their commitment to continuing fighting in what historians now call WWII.

Seriously though, victory in WWII was the result of a concerted effort by all the Allies. Would the Russians have been able to hold the Wehrmacht back without the pressure on the western front? Possibly. Would the Russians have eventually won without the aid of the US and Britain? Again, possibly and possibly not. However, those are all what-ifs. What did happen was that (a) Britain provided essential preparation time by bravely holding out during the Battle of Britain, (b) the United States provided vital supplies (and yes to the Russians as well) before officially entering the war and more after declaring, and (c) the Soviets provided vital cannon-fodder and by some miracle took a number of Germans with them. I will give you this though, the eastern front had the most horrific battles by far.

 

[Mighty the Moose]

Back to the original topic:

High, Mid and Low Tech - The Care Bear Army without a doubt

Its time for a little meeting with the muthafuckin' rainbow! Care Bear Stare is a pure poly-chromatic blast of unadulterated joy, peace and warm fuzzy feelings. All other armies will be rolling around cuddling kittens, while the Care Bear Army plunders the cities and ravages the landscape without mercy.

 

[CalCD]

The sith empire,the combine, or the convenant,they're are all gigantic space faring civilisations with technology far superior to most things on earth, governing over billions and billions or even trillions of subjects and with a well organised and disciplined military.

In fiction throughout, I would probably have to pick the Culture civilisation (from Iain M banks novels), not because they have a massive army, but because their ships are large enough to supress an entire solar system by itself - think of the star wars sith battleships, the biggest ones they have, and make that 7 times bigger. The death star? They make things bigger than that routinely...

 

[Custard_Angel]

The D'regs from Terry Pratchett's "Jingo".

- The D'regs are a low tech nomadic desert tribe from the Klatchian deserts.
- The D'reg word for "freedom" is the same as their word for "fighting".
- They follow a leader, but in the event of a leader being captured or killed, they immediately follow a new leader because "any leader capable of being subdued isn't worth following".
- They are extremely skilled in fighting and notoriously feared in the region for being ruthless killers.
- They are experts in camoflague and at one point an entire army vanishes into the desert sand.
- They show respect where respect is due, but don't fear or hold anyone sacred so they have no boundaries.
- They live in a vast desert where they can hide or fight at a time of their choosing, meaning they have the most effective fortress ever.

 

[monstersquad]

Cowards? No, they simply lost a war (or were viciously attacked by the foul Space Wolves) and tactically retreated. Now every Chaos Space marine is the equivalent of a first company veteran due to their 10,000 years of fighting. Old tech is not bad tech in the 40k universe. As for 'rotting armour', are you sure you're not talking ill of one of papa Nurgle's fine gifts, granting resistance to disease and pain (through issue of disease and pain)?

Interesting that you should defend those vile dogs as such. Actually, the Great Heresy started with the Dropsite Massacre on Istvaan IV, where the original Traitor Legions stabbed ther brothers in the back. You might also enjoy the realisation that while yes, a large potrion of today's Traitor Marines were present for the events of those terrible times, time in the Eye flows differenlty that in realspace. Even if they are technically thousands of years old, they've only spent a small portion of that time actually fighting the Imperium. There's a superbly written Black Library novel concerning the actions of a warband of Night Lords, penned by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, that outlines such a scenario.

Old tech isn't neccesarily bad tech, but there's a huge difference between the revered artifact wargear carried by Astartes and the ancient, decrepit arms and armor borne by the forces of Chaos. I did not mean to demean the efficacity of Death Guard, it's just that there aren't that many tech-adepts or Techmarines present in the warp. And once again, you bring notice to the dependency the Traitors have towards the corrupting forces of the Archenemey.

P.S. I'm not really being such an A-hole, it's just that both my brother-in-law and my best friend play Chaos, so I'm either fighting against them, or involved in heated discussions very simlilar to this at least once a week. And text never allows for tongue-in-cheek diatribes. Yes, it's just a game, and by extension, just a fictional world. It's just fun to take sides and root for your favorites. I also read ALOT of Black Library novels, and I love the way it expands upon the world of 40K with awesome narrative. You should also check these books out, especially the Horus Heresy series. It's all good, except anything written by Gav Thorpe, the guy who ruined the Chaos Codex in 5th ed, IMO

 

[Tical Tiberian]

Great Britain kinda helped

 

[cefm]

Kaos Marines