Poll: The Latest AC controversy

[rokkolpo]

If the protagonist has a good enough reason to take the side he takes.
I agree with him.

 

[Agow95]

The AC developers like to be historically accurate outside of the assassin-templar stuff, for example, sure we were against the Catholics with Ezio, but Borgia was one of the most evil popes in history, so if they do they're facts right they should remember the Americans were fighting for freedom for all White Protestant Men, and that they were racist to the Native Americans and black people.

 

[Blazing Steel]

AC3 is really pissing me off now. Both sides were dicks, neither had the moral high ground, if anything I see the Patriot as the bigger evil. Now most of what I would like to say has been said so I want to touch on something many seemed to have overlooked:

Durring the American Revolution most of the native americans sided with the British. Even those that supported the Patriots hated George Washington. Americans call him the founder of their nation, native americans call him the Town Destroyer. So how does a British-Native American such as Conor fight the British?

EDIT: Conor's a Mohawk? The Mohawks supported the British so what is Conor doing?

So I ask, where's the trailer of George Washington giving the order to burn down and kill the Onondaga when all they wanted was peace? Where's the trailer of Conor going against the will of his Chief and fighting most of his clan?

You want to be biased AC3 be my fucking guest, but don't clain to be neutral and then not follow history and paint the Patriots as being the 'good guys'. This lying is what really pisses me off.

Also, fyi people the French were on the side of the Patriots. Without the aid of the France the Patriots would have lost.

 

[Osaka117]

I don't play video games to learn accurate history, I'll read a book for that. I'm actually quite interested in history, it was my favorite class in school, and the history channel was one of my most watched until it became invaded with aliens. But just because I'm interested in history, doesn't mean I'm gonna crap my pants and get raging mad when a video game takes place in a real historical setting but ends up being biased to one side.

 

[Meatspinner]

Needs a "Don't give a flying fuck"

Whats with all these "controversies" that are constantly popping on these forums almost everyday?

 

[Chaos-Spider]

Needs a "Don't give a flying fuck"

Whats with all these "controversies" that are constantly popping on these forums almost everyday?

It has gotten to a rather silly point hasn't it, which is a shame as some of these 'controversies' have issues that need to be discussed if gaming as a medium is ever going to improve and explore new areas but these issues get hidden under all the hyperbole and complaining about daring to question the status quo of the videogame industry and geek culture in general.

As far as the July 4th trailer itself, I've seen it once and don't think it is indicative of the game as the other story and gameplay trailers seem like they will be more ambiguous about the morals of the revolution.

Also, isn't the history of American revolution oversimplified anyway as a matter of course?

Basically I don't really mind what happens in the animus so long as we don't spend the majority of our time there.

<my reasons: I don't know how to write spoilers so consider this a warning>

especially since this at the end of the Revelations section of the Desmond story arc Desmond had just come to terms with his past and heritage as an assassin and had somehow figured out the special thing that he needed to do to save the world from the disaster that was hinted at in the last two games and had woken up from his coma. So now in AC3 we need Desmond to do the big world saving thing to and the story arc. Spending all our time with a new ancestor in a new time period has nothing to do with this.

 

[Lugbzurg]

You know... why is this an issue, anyway? Most of the stuff I've seen in this era, films, books, TV shows, anything really, has always been on the bias of America = Good, England = Evil. So, why would anyone throw a fit about this?

 

[yerocyt]

Didnt the French help the Americans during the revolution? I'm actually kinda hoping that since Ubisoft are a french company they do all this "AMERICA F YEAH!!" now and then in the game do a complete 180 to "VIVA LA FRANCE!!"

 

[Lucem712]

I don't really see it as that big of a deal. I mean, I'm American, but that's not the reason. I wouldn't care if Connor was a full brit and we were straight up slaughtering colonists.

I think that Ubisoft is just using the patriotic trailer to appeal to Americans, since it marks the birth of our nation and all. Besides, I doubt there will be a lack of killing of colonists because Connor is native American. He's probably just getting in good with the colonists so he can murder their asses for taking his land and killing his people.

All things considered, how bitchin' would a boss fight versus George Washington?

(Kind-of wishing this game had been set in the Civil war, lots less drama. Except from the hick Southerners that still fly the stars n' bars, like they aren't racist mo-fos. But who listens to those hicks anyhow!)

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I suck because I clicked this thread thinking it had something to do with Armored Core.

 

[Nicha11]

The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.

*looks at avatar*


I bet you're completely unbiased

Oh come on, the British Empire spent entire centuries stomping all over the globe, gleefully wrecking everybody's shit, to the degree that there is a direct correlation between being a third world country and a former British colony (except for the US and Australia, but they both benefited from being as far away from Britian as possible).

And that's not even taking into account the British Empire's penchant for dropping settlers into hostile environments and sitting idly by while they go batshit insane and torture, enslave and/or massacre the local populace.

Complete and utter crock.

To argue that the British were poor colonisers and that there is a direct correlation between their colonies and the third world... is objectively wrong.

Go ahead and compare the former British colonies to the former French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and god forbid Belgian colonies.

You can look back smugly and bash Britain, but ultimately the countries they colonised benefited from an efficient bureaucracy, the rule of law and a foundation of democracy.
You yourself cited American, Canada and Australia as examples of former British colonies that are now hugely succesful. What about India? A nation of over one billion human beings of different faiths and cultures, but which continues as the world's largest democracy.

Perhaps Britain could be blame for the ongoing conflict in Sudan, but the British only conquered it relatively recently, and as I understand the combat is part of an ongoing battle between cultures and religions within the country.

Of course this doesn't mean they were justified in their conquests, or their treatment of the local population but they weren't this incompetent child wrecking every nation and leaving nothing after they had looted the remains, that was the Belgians.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

It's not so much that I dislike the British being painted in bad light, more like I dislike just how 'America fuck yeah!' the trailers have been so far.

Given the time period it doesn't seem like they could have done it any other way without major backlash. This way, they get to keep all the fans they earned over the years and pull in a few crazy patriots.

Americans like to believe the revolution was a black and white tale about the monstrously evil British vs. the poor ol' average American. Everyone loves an underdog after all.

Seeing as America also seem to think they were 9/10ths of the WWII fight it's probably best to let them have their little romantic war story. We still have the secret of Branston pickle, so everybody's still a winner.