Poll: The 'Real' Man Debate

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I see a lot of people denouncing the idea of a "real man" based on outward presentation, implying or outright calling it shallow or sexist. That's all well and good folks, just remember: outward presentation gives everyone you meet their first impression of you, and about 70% of those people their only impression of you. This doesn't mean anything unless you care what people think of you (and if you're wearing makeup, I find that you either do care, or have some sort of doubt or insecurity about it, otherwise this discussion wouldn't exist).
We don't live in that ideal world where everybody is judged by their character, personality, and action, because hardly anyone knows each other that well, and more than half the time (I cited 70%, vague and approximated statistics ahahah) they really don't bother to. It's not my intention to actively denounce the idea that you're allowed to wear whatever you want; if you feel you must, go right ahead. You have that choice. Just remember that if you wear skinny jeans, eyeliner, and other forms of typically effeminate apparel in public, people may (and are just as justified to) judge you accordingly. You are equally justified in disregarding them and doing whatever you want. And they... Well, it's cyclical.

Societal stereotypes would have us believe that a "real man" has a gruff and buff appearance, has a chiseled masculine jaw sporting powerful, definite, and well groomed facial hair, is self-confident, competent in many fields of labor and is capable of supporting not just himself, but an entire family, has a gentlemanly demeanor and a charismatic charm about him, is drop-dead stunning to the lady folk, can rock climb with nothing but his chin, wears Old Spice deodorant, is swift as the coursing river, and is probably Saxton Hale.

Yeah, you're probably not going to fit that ludicrously demanding bill (unless you're Saxton Hale, in which case welcome!). It is unrealistic just as much at it is amusing as all else. Just do what you're comfortable doing, whether it's being that manly man or not.

As for that balance between being naturally manly and caring about your appearance, I find that so long as you're keeping yourself groomed and you don't typically spend too much time pursuing some vain standard of appearance that you obviously don't have naturally, you're good, man.
I still don't get why you'd want to shave your body hair or wear any sort of makeup, but that's just me and my awesome follicles talking.

Owyn_Merrilin said:
Speaking of manliness, I learned today that there was a Roman politician named M. Manlius Capitolinus, which is officially the best name for a politician ever.
Best. Roman Politician. Ever.
Well, probably not, so let me rephrase that.
Best. Roman Politician. We have on record.

Captcha: king arthur
Now there's a man fit for kingship.
 

Vault101

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OT : dont wear makup. your a guy ffs. not some gay/fake tv underwear model.
but how a man should act.. is all up to him. dont care bout your looks care about your looks. its all the same. as long as you are confident and smell nice ( oke, and dont look like a TOTAL hobo ) you'l do fine.
( nothing against gays here but it gets the point across )
you just kind of contradicted yourself there....it seems the OP likes wearing make-up and doing whatever he wants with his appearance...if thats what he wants then he shouldn't stop it to satisfy other peoples Ideas as to what he should or should not be (which you essentially demonstrated there)
 

Flames66

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A "real man" should have the courage of his own convictions. Decide how you want to look and stick with it.
 

barbzilla

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Daystar Clarion said:
No man can comfortably wear skinny fitting jeans.

It's just not possible :D
Whenever I see a man in skinny jeans I think they took the saying "get in her pants" a bit too seriously.

OT: I think it is a bit of both. If you are seeking companionship you defiantly need to be aware of your looks. At the same time if you go overboard with it you end up losing some of your rugged look. So it depends on what you are going for. I honestly think go with whatever you feel comfortable doing. If you want to shave your chest and pluck your eyebrows go for it. I pluck my eyebrows and take care of my hair personally. On special occasions when I take my lady out for a special night I go as far as using a matte finish on my face to make myself look less oily.
 

Angie7F

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I just think real guys look like real guys no matter what you make them do.
Geeks will be geeks and fags will be fags. (No offense to the gay population.)

Lie in the movie birdcage. You cant mask who you are.

So, wear make up if you want to.
Its a big think in Korea right now, as well as Japan for men to wear stuff to even out their skin tone or make their eye brows more tame.

Sure is better than men that look like they dont give a f@@k.

I think the problem here is not about what you do, but what your actions may imply.
I just think your mom is scared that you are soon going to come out as being gay and she cant accept it.
 

JdaS

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Vault101 said:
JdaS said:
That's just a bunch of old, outdated alpha macho concepts. Your mom is the one with a problem (no offense).

You're free to shave, dye, straighten, curl, tattoo, pierce and do whatever the fuck you want to your own body. How much of a man you are depends on your actions.
I agree...and also find your avatar in this context pretty funny
How come? I might be a complete idiot because that one flew clear over my head. :D
 

Space Spoons

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A "real man" dresses how he likes, regardless of what close-minded individuals around him may think. Why shouldn't a grown man be able to wear whatever he wants?
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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Space Spoons said:
A "real man" dresses how he likes, regardless of what close-minded individuals around him may think. Why shouldn't a grown man be able to wear whatever he wants?
I guess an avatar of a muscular male with short hair and tatts looks kind of macho and traditional?
 

Veldt Falsetto

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omega 616 said:
I guess when people say real men they mean "lets take a trip back to the 60's". I know this is as worn out as 200 year old carpet but would Chuck Norris use hair straighteners? Would he wear eye liner?

I guess that's what she is driving at, your meant to be working out, getting drunk, belching, scratching your nuts in public, making a mess blah blah blah. Just do what you want to, except hurt people ... that's not cool.
Honestly...if that's what being a real man is like, I'm glad I'm not one of them!
 

Ickorus

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Do you have a penis? Yes?

You're a real man then.

Simple.

Not to say I'm a fan of men wearing eyeliner and shaving their bodies hairless but honestly, if you want to do it, go ahead; I'll think you look silly but I'm not going to stop you if you like it.
 

Duskwaith

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Id rather see a gentleman than a "real man" sometimes they get mistaken for each other.

If you straighten hair or wear eye liner i dont really care as long as you arent a total dick to all those around you.
 

Stasisesque

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I prefer someone, be they male or female, to take pride in their appearance. I don't really care what they wear, how they wear their hair, or whether they choose to use make-up or not, as long as they don't look like a slob.
 

JLML

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John Barrowman cares about his looks. This person/thing (never sure on the internet, right?) is fairly certain Nathan Fillion does, as well. Obviously that means everyone else should, because no matter how good looking you are, you can still only dream of looking as good as either of those two. And no matter how manly and straight you are, you would still turn gay if given the chance to be partner with either of them.

So essentially, yes. And this comes from a person/thing who/that hasn't put any effort in its outwards appearance since it bought a new hat about 2 years ago.
 

MeChaNiZ3D

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Oh s***...I clicked all natural because I thought you meant pertaining to their nature. Well everyone mentally deduct one from that.

Do whatever you want. If you personally want to provoke a certain attitude though, like professionalism in an interview, don't expect people to take you seriously if you don't portray that.
 

Relish in Chaos

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What the fuck is a ?real? man? Both men and women should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, without social stigma. If men want to wear make-up, shave their body hair, and wear dresses, then they should. If women want to let their body hair grow and not wear skirts, then they can. They might not ?work? on you, but nor does guys thinking that wearing trench-coats and fedoras look ?cool?.

All you need to do is keep yourself trim, clean, and hygenic. That?s. Fucking. It. Yeah, people will judge you ? all humans make their first impressions on others based on appearance before they actually get to know them, that?s just a sad fact - but if you can deal with that, then go for it. If you have enough friends around you that accept you and you?re not looking to get laid or whatever (I do mean that in the kindest way), then go for it. Of course, if you?re going for a job interview or something, then it?d probably be advisable to drop the eyeliner and just arrive in a suit or something.

As for personal experience, my friends have recently been telling me that my clothes are shit and I should start wearing skinny jeans, even though they feel so fucking uncomfortable and I can barely worm my way into them. So what does that make me? To be honest, I just see myself as a ?person?.

Sometimes, I hate gender.
 

Korolev

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If you have a Y chromosome then you are genetically a male. Whatever you do is what real men or males do, because you are a male.

It's like whenever someone says "That's unamerican" or "that's unaustralian". Says who? I am an Australian Citizen. Whatever I do is what an "Australian" can do, because I am an Australian and my passport proves it. Teetotalism is "unaustralian"? Says who? You? Do you speak for all Australians? I wasn't aware that there was some sort of "Charter of Approved Australian Activities and Past-times" I had to read an sign.

Same thing with "being a man". That's up to you. There is no "grand charter of manly things manly men do".

Besides, mainstream depictions of what "men" do change with time. In ye olden days, men - rich, successful men - wore wigs. Powdered wigs. Back then that was manly. These days it is not.

Live your life the way you want to (without hurting others). Strive to be your own man.