Poll: Time for a general election?

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EMFCRACKSHOT

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WrongSprite said:
Calling an election now is a terrible idea. They countries in a turmoil as it is, this isn't the right time to bring in an inexperienced leader. Gordon Brown is a good guy caught up in bad times.

If the tories get in, I'm seriously leaving the country.
If the BNP get in, I'll join a resistance movement and die fighting.
The country is in turmoil and its looking for leadership. Leadership that Brown and labour are failing to provide. There isnt even any agreement in his cabinet. Nearly half of them have resigned in 2 days. These are the leading figures in his party and people whi have supported him. If they dont trust him how can we
And, no-ones complained about the inexperience of Obama.
Gordon Brown has never been a good guy
 

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Cpt_Oblivious said:
carnkhan4 said:
All the parties leave me cold. At the moment there is no likeable alternative just Cameron, his lib-dem clone and a bunch of xenophobes and racists.
And the guy in Official Monster Raving Loony, he seems nice and has some common sense.

fix-the-spade said:
The alternatives are fascists, communists or environmentalists.
Or Raving Loonies. (see above)
Or the Legalize Marijuana Party, they seem to have a clear idea of what they want to achieve.
 

WrongSprite

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Heard about the expenses thing? Thats why the people supporting him are leaving. Gordon Brown is an intelligent man, hes just not a public speaker, you havn't actually specified what he's done wrong.

Cameron is a simpering idiot, the moment you put him in power will be the moment he screws up. Remember the last time the Tories were in? Wasn't that a debacle. They're currently in power in my local area, and all they've done is make it 10 times worse. They've been taking all the credit for the hard work others have done to improve my area too.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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jedstopher said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
carnkhan4 said:
All the parties leave me cold. At the moment there is no likeable alternative just Cameron, his lib-dem clone and a bunch of xenophobes and racists.
And the guy in Official Monster Raving Loony, he seems nice and has some common sense.

fix-the-spade said:
The alternatives are fascists, communists or environmentalists.
Or Raving Loonies. (see above)
Or the Legalize Marijuana Party, they seem to have a clear idea of what they want to achieve.
Best part about them is, if they screw up the country we'll be too stoned to care! :D
 

WrongSprite

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jedstopher said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
carnkhan4 said:
All the parties leave me cold. At the moment there is no likeable alternative just Cameron, his lib-dem clone and a bunch of xenophobes and racists.
And the guy in Official Monster Raving Loony, he seems nice and has some common sense.

fix-the-spade said:
The alternatives are fascists, communists or environmentalists.
Or Raving Loonies. (see above)
Or the Legalize Marijuana Party, they seem to have a clear idea of what they want to achieve.
I wanna hear their policy on public transport for the elderly.
 

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Vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party. They'll fix everything.

Their policies include:

Needles
Due to the increasing number of children afraid of needles, I propose the destruction of the tedious, scary and often painful process of school vaccinations.
Instead, I propose that highly trained nurses should be given free reign on the playground with specially modified tranquillizer rifles which apply vaccinations as well as a tranquillizer. This would have two main benefits: It would be less scary for the children as they will not know what hit them, also it will be more fun for the nurses

and

Home of your Own
All new homes should be built with a swimming pool and bouncy castle as standard.
 

Squiggers

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carnkhan4 said:
All the parties leave me cold. At the moment there is no likeable alternative just Cameron, his lib-dem clone and a bunch of xenophobes and racists.

At least with council and European elections you have some likeable candidates.
Well, as Clegg is the MP for my area, I'd say otherwise... He actually wants to change it to Proportional Representation, rather than "First Past the post", the current system. We need an overhaul, and quite frankly, I don't trust Labour, or the Conservatives as far as i could throw them. Not to mention, hes in favour of people who are 16 being able to vote.

I mean, ya gotta love Cameron squawking about other MP's expenses, then suddenly... Oh, will you look at that, he took out a parliamentary loan of 100K on expenses. Still hasn't been paid back. Funny that...

Honestly, we call a snap election, we'll end up with the fringe parties in power. Can you imagine the BNP, or the like, at the helm? It'd be chaos. Plus, Brown got smacked with all the shite that was brewing during the Blair/Bush era - its not entirely his fault. He's not stupid, but hes a crap public speaker, and has little to no prescence.

Personally, I'm going with Lib Dems.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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People who supported him aren't leaving him because of expenses. Thats a common problem across all parties but i dont see the shadow cabinet resigning. People dont trust him anymore.
Yes Gordon Brown is an intelligent man, but that doesnt make a guy a good prime minister. I'm from the north east, and we all remember what the Conservatives did here, but i'd still be more inclined to trust them than Labour.

Clegg and the Lib Dems would be a bad idea. Proprtional representation is a bad idea. It only provides effective strong government in a small number of countries. The only reason he favours it is because his party are under represented by FPTP. I'm sure if the Lib Dems had been in power for the last 12 years he would be fine with it.
And i personally am against under 18s' being allowed to vote
 

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WrongSprite said:
jedstopher said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
carnkhan4 said:
All the parties leave me cold. At the moment there is no likeable alternative just Cameron, his lib-dem clone and a bunch of xenophobes and racists.
And the guy in Official Monster Raving Loony, he seems nice and has some common sense.

fix-the-spade said:
The alternatives are fascists, communists or environmentalists.
Or Raving Loonies. (see above)
Or the Legalize Marijuana Party, they seem to have a clear idea of what they want to achieve.
I wanna hear their policy on public transport for the elderly.
err There was something about using hemp for fuel does that count? (these guys have a one track mind)
Here's their website, they seem to have forgotton to put political policies on it http://www.lca-uk.org/
 

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
People who supported him aren't leaving him because of expenses. Thats a common problem across all parties but i dont see the shadow cabinet resigning. People dont trust him anymore.
Yes Gordon Brown is an intelligent man, but that doesnt make a guy a good prime minister. I'm from the north east, and we all remember what the Conservatives did here, but i'd still be more inclined to trust them than Labour.

Clegg and the Lib Dems would be a bad idea. Proprtional representation is a bad idea. It only provides effective strong government in a small number of countries. The only reason he favours it is because his party are under represented by FPTP. I'm sure if the Lib Dems had been in power for the last 12 years he would be fine with it.
And i personally am against under 16s' being allowed to vote
Why is it a bad idea, may I ask? Might I i add, it allows better representatin of the parties that have been voted in, and allows the public to be properly representated - Greece is an example of this. Plus, why are Clegg and the Lib dems are a bad idea? You of course realise, that if its based on Cameron being "better to lead us in this finicial crisis", thats bollocks, as he hasn't said anything that Labour, or the Lib Dems haven't already said, and hasn't officially set a policy.

I think you mean under 18's, surely? You have to be 18 to vote, not 16. Why is it that you're against under 18's voting? When we're paying taxes as well, and we're regarded as adults by the legal system in regards to many instances, why is it a bad idea that we can vote?
 

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fix-the-spade said:
It was time for an election the moment he slimed his way into office.

The problem is, who do you vote for? The self destructing socialists led by a blind incompetent scot? The well heeled hypocrites that want new and fair systems for all (as long as it keeps the rich rich and the poor fucked) or the silly party that wants to re-write every rule in the book so they can restore themselves to permanent position of power, fairness be damned?

The alternatives are fascists, communists or environmentalists.

At this rate the only party even close to being a good choice will be the Green Party...

.. sure they're mental. But at least they aren't corrupt or basing their entire campaign of the fear of foreigners (hello UKIP, yes the world can see your heavily edited facts).

I think this may be the best summary of our political parties ever.

But yes I think it doesn't matter if we have a general election because there's no good party to actually vote for.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Squiggers said:
Why is it a bad idea, may I ask? Might I i add, it allows better representatin of the parties that have been voted in, and allows the public to be properly representated - Greece is an example of this. Plus, why are Clegg and the Lib dems are a bad idea? You of course realise, that if its based on Cameron being "better to lead us in this finicial crisis", thats bollocks, as he hasn't said anything that Labour, or the Lib Dems haven't already said, and hasn't officially set a policy.

I think you mean under 18's, surely? You have to be 18 to vote, not 16. Why is it that you're against under 18's voting? When we're paying taxes as well, and we're regarded as adults by the legal system in regards to many instances, why is it a bad idea that we can vote?
I think that the majority of young people in the U.K either dont care or with the current state of political education in secondary schools would be unable to make an informed decision. Many just aren't mature enough. I'm not saying this applies to all under 18s', i have met a fair number ofones i could trust to vote properly but in my experience most of the under 18s' i have met have been immature retards without a fully functioning brain cell who would vote for a party just because it was contraversial e.g bnp.

And i don'think the Conservatives can deal with the recession, public spending cuts on services are not the way forward, public services are bad enough already.
And i fixed the under 18 thing, sorry, should have been paying more attention
 

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what's this i hear a bout the UKIP(united kingdom independence party)? What are they about?
But more on topic, what is wrong with our politics? it's all down to corrupt middle aged tossers who run our country and then take our money for gardens and porn. Disgraceful.
 

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
immature retards without a fully functioning brain cell who would vote for a party just because it was contraversial e.g bnp.
I was going to say "Who would be stupid enough to vote BNP." But sadly, i know a guy. and even worse, nobody seems that bothered with his racism! he got whacked with a bottle, taken to a hospital, then had a panic attack just because his doctor was black! this is why i lose faith in humanity.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Captain Pancake said:
what's this i hear a bout the UKIP(united kingdom independence party)? What are they about?
But more on topic, what is wrong with our politics? it's all down to corrupt middle aged tossers who run our country and then take our money for gardens and porn. Disgraceful.
Ukip are a short sighted party who want the UK out of the EU. Otherwise they have no real policy ideas.
They don't realise that the vast majority of trade comes through the EU and much of the legislation that protects workers rights and thinfs have come through the EU such as the working time directives
 

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
In light of this wave of cabinet resignations, it appears that Gordon Brown has lost almost all authority both in his party and in the government. There is even talk of replacing the chancellor. The country has no faith in a man who talks about how his party is doing things to help the country out of recession, help small businesses, help homeowners, help the unemployed but i for one have seen no evidence of this.
He claims British Jobs for british workers but takes no action, its up to workers themselves to take direct action such as strikes. His immigration policy is backwards. Yes, lets deny the ghurkas and iraqi interperetors who risk their lives for us and let in some unproductive person who can caim more benefits. Its retarded
All his party have ever done for my generation is introduce tuition fees, ruin the economy and left the North East to pathetic public services and unemployment.

The man is incapable of running his own party let alone the government and i say its time for a general election.

Edit: The reason this interest me so much is that i'm a politics student not just some opinionated randomer
Yah, he lost another one today though not as high profile as the.. oh bloody, i forget her title. interior minister maybe?. Anyway, what I find interesting is now everyone is saying this is some sort of conspiracy aimed at bringing down the government, and frankly, I think it's going to work.

Another point - How come almost no one knows anythign about the policies of the "conservative party"? This is just from news reports, but all the media pontiffs are speculating about what would actually happen if the opposition took power, as no one knows anything about their plans.

Furthermore - I love british politics. I watched some town hall meeting where some student basically said "Mr. Blair (back a few years), why are you such a silly prat about Iraq?" I freaked out laughing. The states is the worst for this. My buddy had a green peace bumper sticker on his jeep and he was not allowed in to some event where G. Bush was speaking.
 

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
Squiggers said:
I think that the majority of young people in the U.K either dont care or with the current state of political education in secondary schools would be unable to make an informed decision. Many just aren't mature enough. I'm not saying this applies to all under 18s', i have met a fair number ofones i could trust to vote properly but in my experience most of the under 18s' i have met have been immature retards without a fully functioning brain cell who would vote for a party just because it was contraversial e.g bnp.

And i don'think the Conservatives can deal with the recession, public spending cuts on services are not the way forward, public services are bad enough already.
And i fixed the under 18 thing, sorry, should have been paying more attention
Hmm, I see what you mean there. I've got mates who think the conservatives are bloody marvelous, with no particular basis for it. Thing is, I can think of a lot of people in the 18-25 band who don't really care either, but I can see what you're getting at.

The problem is, education needs a severe overhaul, with more education in regards to the law, and politics - not to mention the styles of learning (Aesthetic, Kinesthetic, etc.)

Then again, the MOD, legal, and political system we have at the moment needs a good kick up the arse as well. (Out of those, the MOD just needs to get rid of the idiots who buy crap that we don't need, doesn't work, is hideously expensive, or all of the above... But I'm getting off topic.)
 

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What I don't get is why they haven't scrapped half of the people there. They could. I bet if merely everyone British on the Escapist voted the same party, they'd have a damn good chance of getting in. GO MONSTER RAVING LOONY!!!
 

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I think he should, but I really really don't think he will - I mean, he probably knows he has practically no chance of getting back into power after he calls an election, so he'll probably hold it off as long as possible in the hope that something good will happen.

EMFCRACKSHOT said:
All his party have ever done for my generation is introduce tuition fees, ruin the economy and left the North East to pathetic public services and unemployment.
Stupid tuition fees and unemployment......

closertorickman said:
Mind you, I think the public are pretty sick of all the major parties following the Expenses Scandal.
Does anyone else get the impression that the hype over the expenses could be a way for the MPs to draw attention away from the recession?
Maybe he's hoping we'll get annoyed at just the individual MPs and ignore the flaws of the entire party?
 

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TheMatt said:
Yah, he lost another one today though not as high profile as the.. oh bloody, i forget her title. interior minister maybe?. Anyway, what I find interesting is now everyone is saying this is some sort of conspiracy aimed at bringing down the government, and frankly, I think it's going to work.

Another point - How come almost no one knows anythign about the policies of the "conservative party"? This is just from news reports, but all the media pontiffs are speculating about what would actually happen if the opposition took power, as no one knows anything about their plans.

Furthermore - I love british politics. I watched some town hall meeting where some student basically said "Mr. Blair (back a few years), why are you such a silly prat about Iraq?" I freaked out laughing. The states is the worst for this. My buddy had a green peace bumper sticker on his jeep and he was not allowed in to some event where G. Bush was speaking.
The reason theres little info on the conservative party policy, is because there is none. Apart from say "We'd do it so much better than Labour. Honest.", or base it off Labour/Another parties policies if publically asked. Amusingly, theres no policy on defence, or foriegn policy been stated, so... My confidence is a wee bit minor for the chaps in blue.