Poll: To atheists:What kind are you?

[Mrsoupcup]

Spoiler: snip

Deuteronomy 22: 22-29. Pick up whatever Bible you use. It's in there. I promise. Completely in context as well. Atleast respect me enough to crack the book to the page and check it out.

Just for that, I looked the passages up online. It actually only allows the stoning of people who didn't cry for help: in other words, those that had committed adultery instead of actually being raped.

The shekels bit is, once again, an effort to curb inter-familial violence. In those days, the only man a woman could have sex with was her husband: a woman who slept with someone who wasn't her husband was considering indecent. Thus the law forcing the raper to marry the woman: it's more for the sake of the woman's reputation than it is a acceptance of rape.

Once again, misinterpretation for the win.

Those that didn't cry for help. How hard could you cry out with a blade pressed against your throat, Scotth266? Or while being punched in the stomach? Perhaps with a hand pressed upon your mouth? Your interpretation is lacking. The next segment states that if she doesn't cry out in the country then she is safe as well because no one can prove or disprove the strength of her cries. It's not about adultery if you read it entirely. It's about rape.

Oh what a wonderful rule, protect the woman's reputation after someone forcibly fucked her. How wonderful that the woman must now wake up every morning and see the face of her lovely violent attacker and service him nightly, make his meals, do his laundry, and raise his children. Well, atleast people aren't calling her a slag, eh? I mean, that would TRULY be the worst that could happen from the situation. *head/desk*

So to are you trying to say there is no god or that you really hate religion? In the time the bible was wrote the stuff your discribing happen EVERYWERE, women had no rights and it was a very very racist time. I think you just have biased agianst Religion in general because you think your the only person who is correct. I ask you this, how do you now your correct? I cerrtainly don't know if I'm right so how are you so certian? Your qouting the bible from only the negative parts and saying thats all there is. When I read the bible I don't read it to hate women or stone people I read it to learn why that time period had all these religious events happening and why they don't happen now.

 

[Cakes]

So, are you a Christian? Or are you a heretic/blasphemer?

Actually, I'm an atheist. I just seem to be caught arguing the side of rational-religious-types here since no one else is standing up for them.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Cliff_m85 was just WAITING for this thread.

Or just bored. Or waiting for pr0n to download. Or just can't sleep. The last is true, but I'll let you belief what you wish.

Why do people get so angry over faith? There is no solid real evidence to prove of disprove any of it.... None of us are dead so we can't yell "There is no god you just rot in the ground" or "you shall burn in hell forvever" I have never died and neither have those two people so how in the heck do they know if there is or isn't a god? My conclusion is Religion isn't bad, People are.

Speak for yourself. I HAVE died. I had an allergic reaction to a drug as a child and went into a deep coma. My heart stopped and my father had to revive me. It was a tramatic time and I remember every instant of it.

Your not a very good liar. How convenient you remember this story at the perfect time. I meant you die and you don't get "revived" or so its called. Have you died and rotted in a cofffin? No? Well then stop being so overzealous.

Death is death, be it for a moment or eternity. There isn't any difference.

 

[Cakes]

The only problem with ignoring these passages is that even if they aren't applicable to today's society, they are still the written word of God, and you really can't pick and choose which parts of God's wisdom is right and wrong.

Though, some argue that the "word of God" was said to fit the time in which God came down and said "do this stuff", or something...

Also, I'm not sure what other religions this applies to, but Reform Jews consider it to not be the literal word of God, but rather a nice text that has some good morals, but since it's so damn old the archaic rules and laws and such are tossed aside.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Cliff_m85 was just WAITING for this thread.

Or just bored. Or waiting for pr0n to download. Or just can't sleep. The last is true, but I'll let you belief what you wish.

Why do people get so angry over faith? There is no solid real evidence to prove of disprove any of it.... None of us are dead so we can't yell "There is no god you just rot in the ground" or "you shall burn in hell forvever" I have never died and neither have those two people so how in the heck do they know if there is or isn't a god? My conclusion is Religion isn't bad, People are.

Speak for yourself. I HAVE died. I had an allergic reaction to a drug as a child and went into a deep coma. My heart stopped and my father had to revive me. It was a tramatic time and I remember every instant of it.

Your not a very good liar. How convenient you remember this story at the perfect time. I meant you die and you don't get "revived" or so its called. Have you died and rotted in a cofffin? No? Well then stop being so overzealous.

Death is death, be it for a moment or eternity. There isn't any difference.

So I'm supposed to belive you died saw no God and are now saying there was nothing as you so called "proof"?

 

[Cliff_m85]

Cliff_m85 was just WAITING for this thread.

Or just bored. Or waiting for pr0n to download. Or just can't sleep. The last is true, but I'll let you belief what you wish.

Why do people get so angry over faith? There is no solid real evidence to prove of disprove any of it.... None of us are dead so we can't yell "There is no god you just rot in the ground" or "you shall burn in hell forvever" I have never died and neither have those two people so how in the heck do they know if there is or isn't a god? My conclusion is Religion isn't bad, People are.

Speak for yourself. I HAVE died. I had an allergic reaction to a drug as a child and went into a deep coma. My heart stopped and my father had to revive me. It was a tramatic time and I remember every instant of it.

Your not a very good liar. How convenient you remember this story at the perfect time. I meant you die and you don't get "revived" or so its called. Have you died and rotted in a cofffin? No? Well then stop being so overzealous.

Death is death, be it for a moment or eternity. There isn't any difference.

So I'm supposed to belive you died saw no God and are now saying there was nothing as you so called "proof"?

Absolutely not. Personal experiences are only personal and quite faulty if not researched into but just 'guessed' upon. I wasn't calling this proof of there not being a god, but rather proof that one of the two people you said hadn't died actually had.

 

[Seanchaidh]

So to are you trying to say there is no god or that you really hate religion? In the time the bible was wrote the stuff your discribing happen EVERYWERE, women had no rights and it was a very very racist time.

Why is this considered a good excuse for the supposed Word of God?

 

[Cakes]

So to are you trying to say there is no god or that you really hate religion? In the time the bible was wrote the stuff your discribing happen EVERYWERE, women had no rights and it was a very very racist time.

Why is this considered a good excuse for the supposed Word of God?

Because it's not the literal word of god, and anyway, a book written over 2000 years ago wouldn't say "Okay guys, treat women with respect. Gays? Those guys are cool."

 

[Seanchaidh]

So to are you trying to say there is no god or that you really hate religion? In the time the bible was wrote the stuff your discribing happen EVERYWERE, women had no rights and it was a very very racist time.

Why is this considered a good excuse for the supposed Word of God?

Because it's not the literal word of god, and anyway, a book written over 2000 years ago wouldn't say "Okay guys, treat women with respect. Gays? Those guys are cool."

On the subject of the gays, pederasty was an acceptable practice in Greece and probably elsewhere. But accepting your premise, since the homo-bashing was more from closer to 4000 years ago:

Right. It wouldn't say that unless it really was the word of God and God was moral. So the Bible is a list of things you can agree or disagree with, and just being in the Bible isn't cause for thinking something is a good moral teaching. So what is the point of the book, then?! If humans have the capacity to judge passages in the Bible as good or evil, why do they need the Bible to tell them what is good and evil?

Is there a convincing explanation of the evil in the Bible that doesn't reduce it to the usefulness of something like the Lord of the Rings or Conan the Barbarian? If not, why are these 'reasonable people who don't take the Bible literally' bothering to call themselves Christians? Why is this inconsistent set of beliefs called reasonable by people like you? It's certainly moderate! I'll give you that. But reasonable? Rational? Logical?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Here's a good factual thing that happened. Imagine that I am in a room with a child, a small male baby. During this time I cut his penis and suck upon it.

What the hell are you talking about? Circumcision is a weird practice, but it's not that weird. And it's almost never harmful.

Google search: "Jewish mohel tradition". You cut the foreskin, take a sip of wine and hold it in your mouth as you suck the skin and blood from the cut. Yes, it's real. Yes, it's the actual tradition.

The crucial part is Metzitzah b'peh.

 

[Sethzard]

By now I have learned that many Escapists are atheists. This is coming from a Christian, but what 'kind' of atheist are you? Do you have friends with beliefs, or do you stand on a soap box and yell 'Religion is dumb'? Sorry if I didn't get the 'soap box' term right, I heard my dad say it once and I think I heard him wrong. I just want to know what type of people I may deal with in religious threads in the future.

Just btw I'm not really uptight. My best girl friend is an atheist. I was raised Catholic, I still am, but I don't agree with some ideas, probably more to come. I also sometimes (try to) think about the universe without a God, sometimes it doesn't fase me.

Remove there could be a god/gods, sorry to be pedantic, but that's an agnostic.

 

[Craig FTW]

By now I have learned that many Escapists are atheists. This is coming from a Christian, but what 'kind' of atheist are you? Do you have friends with beliefs, or do you stand on a soap box and yell 'Religion is dumb'? Sorry if I didn't get the 'soap box' term right, I heard my dad say it once and I think I heard him wrong. I just want to know what type of people I may deal with in religious threads in the future.

Just btw I'm not really uptight. My best girl friend is an atheist. I was raised Catholic, I still am, but I don't agree with some ideas, probably more to come. I also sometimes (try to) think about the universe without a God, sometimes it doesn't fase me.

There's something I'm hoping you might be able to tell me. I have a couple of internet friends who are "Catholic" but disagree with some ideas. In their case, they don't agree with the "homosexuality is wrong" thing.
My question is essentially this: why label yourself a Catholic, when there are things you disagree with in the Catholic belief system. It doesn't make sense to me, I don't consider myself a member of PETA, because even though I think animals deserve better treatment, I don't believe we should stop eating animal products entirely.

The reason I'm asking you instead of them by the way is that in the past they have recieved the false impression that I am anti-theist, whereas at worst I'm anti-"organised"theism. As such any attempt to ask this of them could be taken the wrong way.

I understand what you mean, and yet I have no great answer. I'm 15, I'm taking confirmation classes, it makes my mom happy and I'm glad I take them. I know I don't agree with some Catholic ideas, but 1-I think I can customize my belief no matter what I am, and 2-I haven't found a Protestant belief that fits how I feel more than Catholicism. Not saying Catholicism is totally how I feel, I just can't find a better Protestant one.

 

[Craig FTW]

Did I not mention at some point that the could be god/gods was meant for agnostics?
I guess I didn't..I'll change that.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I am an atheist, but I'm not the kind that would punish or mock someone for their beliefs. While I do think it is a bit silly to believe in an invisible guy no one can see who supposedly lives in a city in the clouds, I'm not going to outright laugh at a Christian or Muslim or what have you. As long as you don't try to push your beliefs on me, I really don't care.

 

[Natdaprat]

I only care because people die all the time in its name. So yes, I bash religious retards whenever I can. I once had a debate with a preacher in a busy high street once, it was awesome because he just mumbled on "Believe in jesus and welcome salvation!" while I had more interesting points.

 

[irishstormtrooper]

Personally, I believe that Christianity makes no sense.

I couldn't find it, but search for "Penn and Teller: Bullshit! The Bible: Fact or Fiction?" somewhere for my reasoning.

Oh, and

Spoiler: for protection

 

[NOT WILL]

i belive in God and evoulotion

 

[Lexodus]

But we can't experience them (you can't see/hear/taste/touch/smell time, now can you?).

I can. Tastes a lot like chicken. Then again, everything tastes a lot like chicken.

i belive in God and evoulotion

How? Also, 'I', 'believe' and 'evolution'.

'While sloppy writing does not invariably mean sloppy thinking, we've generally found the correlation to be strong -- and we have no use for sloppy thinkers. If you can't yet write competently, learn to.' - Eric Raymond

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I can. Tastes a lot like chicken. Then again, everything tastes a lot like chicken.

Exept for beef. Beef doesn't taset like chicken... : P

 

[Sandernista]

i belive in God and evoulotion

Evolution is not something to be believed in. It is something to know, or not know about.