You know, I could've sworn that I said that I wanted to get a perspective on people's opinion now that things have calmed down in the OP.Blunderboy said:
Poll: Tomb Raider reboot, what is your opinion on it now?
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I find the new game to be way more sexist than the old ones. In the old ones she was sexy, I don't get how that is sexist. In the new ones she's unable to do anything on her own and you're suppose to be her helper and cheering her on. Having a game that you're not suppose to role-play/relate to her because she's a women and are suppose to watch over her instead is plain offensive to me.
the reason people have said the game is sexist isnt because theres an attempted rape scene, its because of how the games producer explained it. what is sexist is the quote, ?When people play Lara, they don?t really project themselves into the character. They?re more like ?I want to protect her.? There?s this sort of dynamic of ?I?m going to this adventure with her and trying to protect her.??erttheking said:
?She?s definitely the hero but? you?re kind of like her helper. When you see her have to face these challenges, you start to root for her in a way that you might not root for a male character.?
This is what I don't get about feminists. They will tell you that a woman lives in fear of assault and rape in much bigger measure than a man does because women are inherently more vulnerable to these things and then they'll turn around and be upset when a man thinks a female character is more vulnerable and hence you root for her differently.
I can't help but feel like you're focusing less on the game and more on what one twat said. No offense.TehCookie said:
I'm glad you mentioned Far Cry, how come no actual rape at all gets a scandal and the game with real rape in it doesn't?
I've always been fine with the reboot. The original tomb raider was sexist. This is an undenyable fact. It's aim was to objectify a women for the pleasure of guys. There is a reason that many people have noticed that the character design seemed to..expand somewhat with time. There is a reason why they were busy touting the feature of Lara's clothes getting wet and it wasn't for the same reason Uncharted did it
I've always been fine with the reboot. The original tomb raider was sexist. This is an undenyable fact. It's aim was to objectify a women for the pleasure of guys. There is a reason that many people have noticed that the character design seemed to..expand somewhat with time. There is a reason why they were busy touting the feature of Lara's clothes getting wet and it wasn't for the same reason Uncharted did it
No... You did everything for her with a controller. How deeply you identified with her (or not) is a matter of your attitude, not the game's.TehCookie said:
Which is what the guy was talking about, correctly or not. The new Lara does all those things "on her own", how you feel about her is on you. Everyone's relationship with a fictional protagonist is their own.
If the new Lara couldn't do anything on her own, there would be another character constantly hovering around saving her every five minutes and doing all of the heavy lifting for her, and from what we've seen so far, she's going to be on her own for the majority of the time. The new Lara has to do everything on her own too.TehCookie said:
And I couldn't help but recall that the entire rest of the development team went on to say that he was full of crap and that what he said didn't reflect the game that they were trying to make...then everyone accused them of backpedaling...you know, I like video games and I like writing, but I don't think I ever want to get a job as a writer in the game industry, it seems like a very thankless job.TehCookie said:
Yeah, you're letting yourself get hung up on what that one guy said. Frankly I always have trouble role playing as a person with a name and personality, I feel more like I just control them for the action segments. I just play through the game and watch their character arcs, hoping to enjoy them. The only time I actually feel like I'm roleplaying as a character is when I play a game where I build my character from the group up, like Fallout or Dark Souls.TehCookie said:
They should show that in the games cutscene. lol. I agree though this game takes her as a normal girl and shows how she got so good at killing and surviving. Once getting through this new game im sure anyone in that same situation would come out stronger.Soxafloppin said:
The new Tomb Raider looks great. The old Lara annoyed the hell out of me; this one seems more like a relatable human being, with an initially low but ever increasing level of badassery. Plus, the old Tomb Raider games were pretty dull, imo. Besides the isometric one; that was pretty cool. A reboot of the character and the series is exactly what Tomb Raider needs.
I'm pretty sure it's an even tinier vocal minority than usual on this topic. At least, I hope most of the feminists are focusing on actual issues like the wage gap or w/e.m19 said:
Yeah, well no offense, that's not how I play games. Like I said, I can't really role play as a pre-existing character, my mind just doesn't let me. I'm actually looking forward to the new Tomb Raider on account of me wanting to see Lara grow as a character, but not because I want to be her. I bought the new Halo for the same reason, because I wanted to see Chief grow as a character, but not because I wanted to be him.TehCookie said:
Define sexist.
People keep saying that "sexism" is "drawing attention to the idea of gender". It's not, but if that's the new standard...
People keep saying that "sexism" is "drawing attention to the idea of gender". It's not, but if that's the new standard...