Poll: UK ban on Extreme pornography

[barryween]

So the entire Saw Films, Fear and Loathing, Naked Lunch, A Zed and Two Noughts, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser, The Watchmen, The Accused, Ringu, Flowers in the Attic, Brazil, Twin Peaks, Last Temptation, Conan The Barbarian, Family Guy and many others will be banned? I think not.

What part of the Watchmen has sex w/ dead bodies of animals or mutilated bodies or genitalia?
PS: Im not trying to be a jerk im just asking.

It has a rape scene.

Yeah but would a rape scene count under that law? I think it would depend on how froceful it got (Watchmen she was only hit and held down but it can go way further...) you guys tell me if that is counted.

 

[ace_of_something]

Really!? Dang! Well its still gross! and also, do you know if beastiality is illegal? Thanks in advance.

Wait? It is LEGAL for people in the majority of states in your country, to have sex with dead bodies?

First part, yes it is it's called "Cruelty to Animals" and in urban states is usually a class one (or A) misdemeanor. In states with more farm areas it's usually a felony.

In many states there is no explicit law against Necro' activities. Why? Because in supreme cases dead people have been proven over and over again to have no rights. This is why law enforcement can access people?s private documents post-mortem. This is why cemeteries are still allowed to be segregated. And so on and so forth.
If they do have a law against it it usually falls into a hefty fine as a ?public health code violation? or some other creative charging/sentencing.

 

[nathan-dts]

Really!? Dang! Well its still gross! and also, do you know if beastiality is illegal? Thanks in advance.

Wait? It is LEGAL for people in the majority of states in your country, to have sex with dead bodies?

First part, yes it is it's called "Cruelty to Animals" and in urban states is usually a class one (or A) misdemeanor. In states with more farm areas it's usually a felony.

In many states there is no explicit law against Necro' activities. Why? Because in supreme cases dead people have been proven over and over again to have no rights. This is why law enforcement can access people?s private documents post-mortem. This is why cemeteries are still allowed to be segregated. And so on and so forth.
If they do have a law against it it usually falls into a hefty fine as a ?public health code violation? or some other creative charging/sentencing.

That is utter ludicrous; I hope some wacko goes around having sex with the dead bodies of senators family members.

 

[EXPLICITasian]

all the law does is start a slippery slope of continuingly banning "offensive material", if one thing is deemed to be not ok, than why is this ok? this? that? No, you ban one act of free speech everyone is going to start wanting other things banned until there's nothing left... before you know it it'll be illegal for a woman to show her ankle again.

Either everything is ok or nothing is (lawl from yesterdays south park...)

 

[ace_of_something]

That is utter ludicrous; I hope some wacko goes around having sex with the dead bodies of senators family members.

Stealing a dead body is, however, a felony in every state.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Well, Necrophilia, Beastiality and Assualt are all illegal to carry out anyway, surely a movie of such acts is merely evidence.
I don't really see why (genuine) videos of such acts shouldn't be banned.

As for staged acts, I don't think they should be banned as such, I just like to think people don't find these things arousing or amusing.
What people do with consenting partners is their business, but since neither a corpse nor an animal can give consent I think this fairly reasonable.

 

[Jamash]

(a) an act which threatens a person's life

(c) an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse

So would these two criteria ban 'Vampire Porn'?

Biting someone's jugular constitutes as life threatening, and the undead are technically human corpses.

But I suppose as it obviously theatrical and actors (as we all know, real Vampires wouldn't show up on a video) it would probably escape the Banhammer.

Also if the Police raided someone's house and caught them jerking off to this [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qRm8okHhapU], could it be construed as bestiality porn?

 

[Nimbus]

As far as the bestiality and necrophilia stuff though, should it not technically be banned anyway as the people filming it are breaking the law anyway (similar to how it is illegal to buy stolen goods, especially if you know they are stolen)? Please don't see this as trolling though, I genuinely am interested about others thoughts. I've always just been told that I ask far too many questions.

I would like to point out that the law, as described by the OP, would also ban hentai of... said material. Therefore any argument based on "necrophilia/beastiality/etc is bad" is basically out the window (at least to the same degree that applies to loli).

 

[mokes310]

I said no, because a simple ban will not stop it from happening.

 

[anti_strunt]

all the law does is start a slippery slope of continuingly banning "offensive material", if one thing is deemed to be not ok, than why is this ok? this? that? No, you ban one act of free speech everyone is going to start wanting other things banned until there's nothing left... before you know it it'll be illegal for a woman to show her ankle again.

Either everything is ok or nothing is (lawl from yesterdays south park...)

Man, life sure is hard outside of the realm of perfect Platonic ideals... Unfortunately that's where both we and our politicans and the rest of humanity must live. We are ON the damn slippery slope; always were - and we can never get off it. To try to fit perfect philosophical concepts directly onto human affairs is absurd.

I should point out that I'm obviously for free speech, but to suggest that it is either everything or nothing and that's all there is to it, is patent nonsense.

 

[axia777]

This is fascism. Next up: Offensive books. But then Britain has been doing a fair amount of semi-fascist things as of late so it does not surprise me at all. I wonder if all those cameras they have all over the place have helped lower crime rates?

Not that I as an America have much to say about BS perpetuated by a government....*sigh*

 

[goodman528]

(d) a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive)

While I fail to understand why that is porn. I don't think it should be banned, 'cos they should be free to do that if they realy want to.

 

[Siegreich]

Hey I like extreme pornography

 

[anti_strunt]

(d) a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive)

While I fail to understand why that is porn. I don't think it should be banned, 'cos they should be free to do that if they realy want to.

Again, if animals are involved, we have moved beyond the activites of consenting adults.

 

[EXPLICITasian]

Man, life sure is hard outside of the realm of perfect Platonic ideals... Unfortunately that's where both we and our politicans and the rest of humanity must live. We are ON the damn slippery slope; always were - and we can never get off it. To try to fit perfect philosophical concepts directly onto human affairs is absurd.

I should point out that I'm obviously for free speech, but to suggest that it is either everything or nothing and that's all there is to it, is patent nonsense.

and this is nonsense because? Here, look at this way, of course there are certain one is not allowed (even with free speech)... those things are things where it would take someone elses freedoms away. Say for instance, you're not allowed to yell FIRE in a crowded room, because it invades a persons freedoms to not get trampled... (if it causes injury like in this case it's not allowed, but still doesn't constitute as a limit on free speech because it protects others rights.)

Now banning victimless acts of speech is a different thing altogether. Talking about sex in public for instance may annoy some people around, but it's your right to say it as it is not harming them in any way (in contrast to yelling fire).

So my point is this, these pornographic items the UK is banning are victimless (the videos may have been created by invading another's freedoms... by like glorifying rape and what not) but showing them does not... especially when a person has to search to find them.

 

[electric discordian]

Can we not ban the government instead, they hurt people on a regular basis, injure children in the much publicised baby P case and quite frankly dont care about animal rights.

Many MPs enjoy being spanked and employ doms with our money so once again its one law for them and another law for us.

There a bunch of band wagon jumping scumbags desperate to divert attention from Afganistans death rate, the recession and the further erosion of our civil liberties.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I am so angry about this I am going to have to kill someone and have sex with their corpse, then post it on the internet as a protest. Fuck you government, fuck you. You see what happens when you start banning things?

 

[NekoAnastasia]

As far as the bestiality and necrophilia stuff though, should it not technically be banned anyway as the people filming it are breaking the law anyway (similar to how it is illegal to buy stolen goods, especially if you know they are stolen)? Please don't see this as trolling though, I genuinely am interested about others thoughts. I've always just been told that I ask far too many questions.

I would like to point out that the law, as described by the OP, would also ban hentai of... said material. Therefore any argument based on "necrophilia/beastiality/etc is bad" is basically out the window (at least to the same degree that applies to loli).

It wouldn't ban hentai. The key word is "realistic", they must be real people and, as another poster said, the law is written flimsily with terms like "something a reasonable person may deem realistic". Similarly, it doesn't apply to mainstream movies, like vampire romance, because a "reasonable person" knows that the vampire is a living actor, not a reanimated corpse.

@Fix the spade - Necrophilia and beastiality are illegal because the parties involved cannot consent. In the case of assault, though, if the people involved consent, why should it be banned? It is illegal, regardless of consent, but that's just as stupid as making looking at it illegal.

Luckily, this law will be ridiculously difficult to police, anyway, and there are several organisations dedicated to helping people understand exactly what their legal rights on on the issue.