Poll: underage animated female characters...

[Raskolnikov34]

Unfortunatly they are. Someone that says they are a pedophile regardless of whether or not the acted upon their urges, at least where I live, is shunned by EVERYONE and usually beaten by said vigilantes. This leads to reppression of these feelings which as good ol' Sigmund has told us, is not a great thing.

I agree with the first part, but Freud psychology is basically all false.

Here's an article about it:


http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/18/opinion/oe-dufresne18

eh, even with that repression has been proven. It is very serious.

True, but I don't think the best way to cope with an immoral desire is to give into it, albeit in a harmless way; there are better ways to deal with repression.

Then again, I don't know nearly enough about Psychology to make any definite statements on the issue.

 

[Eternal_Lament]

Its not my cup of tea, but it shouldn't be illegal. Again, they aren't real so it's not like an actual underage person is being harmed in any way. It only really seems to have the trouble it does because it is similar only in appearance to actual child porn, which is stupid logic if you think about it. It would be like arguing that video games that show someone dying in a detailed way is illegal because it is too similar in appearance to a snuff film, and I'm sure everyone here is willing to say that's stupid as well.

I find it strange that hentai (or any other animation for that matter) featuring someone under 18 is illegal here in Canada, considering everything else we tollerate.

 

[Baresark]

It should not be illegal. It doesn't encourage pedophilia, it couldn't. If someone is not interested in 13 year old girls, seeing an animated version will not all of the suddenly peek their interest and make the pursue a young girl.

While I have no interest in such things myself, I can't blame someone for looking at that kind of thing, and there is no crime being committed. No one is being victimized or exploited or raped. If someone fantasizes about that, it doesn't hurt anyone, and it's only the people with a real problem that would act on such an impulse. Who knows, such things may even prevent people with those urges from acting on them. Like violent video games, they do not create violence in others, they actually sedate violence in violent people.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

I think that this argument is stupid, as is the fact that it is illegal here in the US.

They aren't real, they are fictional, so techincally speaking, they don't have an age.

They provide a means for people to "vent" on imaginery things instead of real people.

All postives, no negatives.

 

[Baresark]

I'm a Loli, so I may be a bit biased but I find nothing wrong with underaged characters that are animated...

I... assume you're a lolicon, not a loli?

Maybe he does mean loli. There are male loli's. I would show you a picture, but putting 'male loli' into Google IS NOT SAFE. EVEN WITH SAFESEARCH ON. OHGODITBURNS

Unfortunatly they are. Someone that says they are a pedophile regardless of whether or not the acted upon their urges, at least where I live, is shunned by EVERYONE and usually beaten by said vigilantes. This leads to reppression of these feelings which as good ol' Sigmund has told us, is not a great thing.

I agree with the first part, but Freud psychology is basically all false.

Here's an article about it:

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/18/opinion/oe-dufresne18

eh, even with that repression has been proven. It is very serious.

Repression has been proven false, actually. Most 'repressed' memories are actually fabricated. (Source? Me, actually. I'm going towards a Masters in Psychology and it's painfully easy to make someone 'remember' something that never actually happened.)

If something extremely traumatizing occurs, you won't repress the memory. Quite the opposite actually, the event will be burned into your mind for the rest of your life.

Ah, hell, I'll throw another source in, free of charge: http://www.fmsfonline.org/

Not that it's necessary, but I couldn't agree more. I am speaking from a perspective not of psychology, but in the physiology of the brain. All "repressed" memories that have been "recalled" are fake. Police can interrogate a child and convince them they have been harmed when no such harm ever happened. The human brain, contrary to very popular belief, lies to us all the time. It lies about places, people, colors, actions, things you witnessed and order of events. To paraphrase Read Montague, "the human brain is a slow, inefficient, error filled mess". It couldn't repress something, it could however completely forget an event ever happened, but then that memory is gone, never to be returned. The only time recall is ever near 100% is when music is involved.

 

[daemon37]

I would very much like to vote "No" multiple times.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I don't like it, but its way better than the pedos trying more shit to get their fix.

 

[AT God]

It is an odd situation in that an animated child is different from the animated characters in Dead or Alive, until reading that article I was unaware any of the characters are under aged. I guess this could be seen as the same way the whole age problem except that there are no lives to be ruined, when it is actual humans it can affect the person, in video games it can just be perceived as creepy. My stance is if they look adult they are adults, only in games though, actual life is as always more complex and cruel.

 

[ThatLankyBastard]

I'm a Loli, so I may be a bit biased but I find nothing wrong with underaged characters that are animated...

I... assume you're a lolicon, not a loli?

...you win this round

My fault for leaving the computer to get a drink in the middle of a sentence...

So, yes, I am a Lolicon, not a Loli...

 

[JohnTomorrow]

I think the problem is this whole 'is underage nudity art or pornography' debate.

Yes, its a drawing, its artwork - but some people could argue having a naked seven year old girl posing lewdly as art. What is the difference between a drawing and a photo? Obviously, the photo needed a real live little girl to debase herself for someone elses gratification - the drawing is just drawn from mind, nobody was harmed in the making.

Some people would make the arguement that the second option is the better, because nobody was harmed in the making. Sure, fine, i'll agree with that - but unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who would take the next step. The same people who would play or watch something violent then do something violent in responce - and yes, there are people out there that do it, dont start whinging just yet.

I'm not saying everybody would do it. I'm not saying that if i suddenly whipped out a picture (real or drawn) of a little girl naked you'd automatically become a pedophile, just the same as if i handed you a picture of a gun would make you want to shoot a whole bunch of people. But, unfortunately, there is a small percentage that would take this photo and...take the next step.

These people are sick. These people need help. And, unfortunately, a lot of people in power look at the whole thing in the mindset of 'omg its gross and disturbing, lets just put a blanket ban on everything to make sure this doesnt happen ever'. But then, zero-tolerance policies never work for long unless rigidly policed, so...

Anyways, i think i'm trying to say that people in power think they are doing something for the greater good, and they think that by keeping something off us all they will stop the select few amongst us from doing something we may - or may not - regret later down the track.

 

[Rule Britannia]

Having that sort of visuals in a game is dumb as hell, if I wanted to look at that sort of thing it's just a google click away. It's hard to miss that sort of thing in dragon age 2...first scene with your Bethany and it's a side boob camera shot... I don't wanna see that....I play games for fun not for explicit visual pleasure....

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

This is a stupid issue. Even if the Dead or Alive girls are TECHNICALLY "underage", they're about as likely to appeal to people of a pedophilic bent as Elle McPherson- they've got boobies like barrage balloons. "Lolicon" isn't about age, it's about appearance, so unless the game is blatantly sexual (as in actually PORNOGRAPHIC) there's nothing offensive about it. It's not like you can hold Kasumi down and violently rape her and it's hardly "oversexualisation of minors" as it's almost impossible to describe characters like Hitomi and Leifang as "minors" with a straight face. This whole thing is completely retarded.

 

[Grant Delmore]

With what girls are wearing these day's i thought DOA would have been showing them how to wear more clothes lol.

But seriously tho drawn, digital or real if the girl is young then it's just gross. And if you think otherwise then you probably fall into these categories:
1. Your at the same age, so thats ok.
2. You have never had a physical relationship.
3. You have a really tiny .... and your scared to go for girls your own age.
4. Your an overweight social reject.
I could probably come up with more but i cant be f'ed.

Of course 3 is where i lay most of the blame. And is possibly why people also date tiny asain chicks.

 

[TheMagicIndian]

EDIT: I didn't mean in the case of little kids (though I guess you could imply the same concept) I meant in the case of the late teens age range where it can be really hard to tell the difference between of age and underage.

LOL like this anime girl here XD

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I couldn't help but add that one. To be honest, she was the only reason I started watching Gurren Lagann. What can I say? I was young and she was hot.

 

[Marik2]

EDIT: I didn't mean in the case of little kids (though I guess you could imply the same concept) I meant in the case of the late teens age range where it can be really hard to tell the difference between of age and underage.

LOL like this anime girl here XD

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I couldn't help but add that one. To be honest, she was the only reason I started watching Gurren Lagann. What can I say? I was young and she was hot.

LOL well we all do something we're not proud of

And also I heard shes only 14 because underground peoples calendars are out of sync with the "real" calendar system, so shes older than her age says.

And I prefer the "real" Yoko

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[TheLaofKazi]

No.

Let's look at this way. I hate child abuse and exploitation. I also hate it when people get murdered, but I don't think fictional portrayals of murder should be banned in media. It's the same with this case and any others.

And regarding the theory that "fictional child pornography fosters more pedophiles." Does fictional portrayals of violence and murder foster more murderers? I'm sure many people here, being fans of games and media that have tons of violence in them, would say it doesn't, and I would agree. There really isn't much proof that it does, and there's even less proof that making such content illegal would reduce or prevent violent crime.

The goal here shouldn't be to necessarily eliminate or stop people who enjoy virtual child pornography or people who are pedophiles. The goal should be to stop people from acting out on those desires in a way that harms others. I have plenty of desires that are morally and legally questionable.

For example, I would love to go and rob a store and get things for free. The act of stealing would be a huge rush, and if I succeed, I would get things without having to pay for them. But I don't do that, because I feel doing so, while exciting, would hurt others and get me in deep trouble. So I don't do it. Instead, I go after the highs and excitement through other means that don't get me in trouble and hurt others, and can even be healthy for me, such as running and exercise, playing sports, ect.

In short, I might get a lot of shit for saying this, but pedophiles are humans too and have a conscious. The ones that don't are the ones worth worrying about.

 

[dOrOrOwait]

In Greece even married men would have boys as young as 13 as their lovers, back then it wasn't frowned upon, we have only evolved to believe its wrong because the law states you cant give consent unless you are 18.

My opinion on this is obviously, if you look at underage characters and desire them you are desiring a young innocent child regardless of what they are doing in Manga or in Dead or Alive. If you can distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality then you are fine, if you never put your sick thoughts into practice I think there is no problem with it, but you should probably see someone anyway.
Arent most people on these forums under 17 anyway? If you desire someone who is your own age in a game its alright i think..hardy har.

 

[Aethren]

Maybe he does mean loli. There are male loli's. I would show you a picture, but putting 'male loli' into Google IS NOT SAFE. EVEN WITH SAFESEARCH ON. OHGODITBURNS

That's not actually correct. The thing you're referring to with boys is called Shotacon.