Poll: "Uniforms" in public school

[Alex06]

Most schools in the UK have a uniform anyway, and I always liked it that way- it meant picking out clothes during the morning was a no-brainer no matter how hungover I was, and it was always good fun stretching the rules...

To be honest, that's the argument that's popular with students. I personally never really bother with what I wear. I already have clothes that look good on me (so I hear, at least), and I just pick them up very quickly and put them on and it looks normal. I understand it is easier for guys, but maybe girls also sometimes try too hard to wear something fashionable. If you can wear whatever you want, doesn't mean you should think about how to look sexy. Just pick out whatever you see first and put it on. No effort there, and it'll save you the price of the uniform and the trouble of washing it often. And besides, girls look good and guys will be attracted by them no matter what. And looking good isn't the only important thing...There is much more to the laws of attraction.

Even in private schools with uniforms, people will still bully each others. In fact, this private school a few of my friends went to, the "nerds" were a bunch of gigantic condescending, ego-driven bastards that thought they were better than everybody. They bullied people...Though they never got flak for it, because their grades were good. They acted like children and believed that anyone who wasn't fond of their nerdy trips and of geeky video games and movies in general were INFERIOR. This group apparently didn't get many friends, but they started changing after a while...So I hear. They weren't very intimidating, according to those few friends, just really annoying and immature. They even insulted girls who wore makeup and whatnot.

I don't personally bear much importance at what someone wears when I talk to them. I just talk to them, and if I feel good talking to them, I'll just continue doing so and probably befriend them that way. It's really not hard once you try.

So much prejudice...You'll always find it, no matter how much you enforce laws. Schools should really be more open-minded and try to teach this open-mindedness to their students.

But of course, in countries like the US, UK and Australia, that would be against the bible...and would just openly show the denial that christianism is just an incoherent, incongruent, inconsistent, contradictory sack of myths, false assumptions, false prophecies, false prejudices, and lies. Let's face it, I'm pretty sure even Vatican realizes this, but would be to afraid of the responsibility of the backlash and the massively scary results of admitting the truth. I'm happy I live in a Canadian province where people don't give a flying f. about religion and are even against letting religious parties promote their practices and practice in public. It should be this way.

We are facing an age of socialization and advanced science. An age where cultural flaws show and cultures unite and become more open-minded and enlightened.

Wow, I got pretty off-topic.
Sorry if I offend anyone or if you all feel I'm trolling. That wasn't my intention. My intention was putting my opinion out there. If you feel I am wrong, I am welcome to any argument and criticism, as long as it is not bashing or insulting. (Again, sorry if I seem a bit too radical or bashing/insulting, and feel free to point it out...it's your right to, after all.)

 

[FortheLegion]

You're allowed a top button undone? Lucky bastard.

Meh, you'll get used to it, and believe me, the rules wont be followed. I'd give it 2 weeks before you guys find out a way to wear it your own way.

Its been over 2 years, they keep adding more and more to the code and are getting stricter and stricter with everything.

The other day one person got send to ISS for being turned in his seat, Another two for talking, and another for giving the teacher her papers back for being out of line. All of this in the first five mintues of school. They've also restricted the time we can use our lockers so half the people carry all their school supplies with them all day.

Uniform thing seems fine but those strict rules are bad. I think it's time you and your class mates tried a little something called organized civil disobedience. If everyone breaks the rules all the time they'll be forced to change the rules. Good luck.

 

[willsham45]

ok school uniforms have pros and cons, when I was in school i had to wear shirt, tie, with a sweat shirt with the school logo and black trowsers. Later it changed from shirt and tie to a polo shirt of the schools colour and featuring the logo.
All items were sold at the school and were affordable for the most part, £16 for a top if i remember correctly but it could have been something like £8 it was a long time ago.

From what I heard from my brother they have been cracking down on uniform, belts no big buckles, socks nothing too fancy, natural hair colour...that one mucked up my brother we was told off for getting high lights and then told off when he got them died back. actually he a trend starter so anything that is not 100% he gets hit on when others are quite bad offenders.

 

[Paksenarrion]

I'd actually enjoy a uniform if it was like, a Star Trek jumpsuit, or a Jedi robe. Damn, I wish I could live in that reality.

A jedi robe would be the best uniform... No gang would perform while wearing them. People wouldm't draw attention with fights while wearing them, it hides weight so people arn't made fun of them, they'd be custom made or something so they should be comfortable, you could wear anything under it, and it would be epic.

You should start a campaign

Oh, hey, you're right! You can wear whatever you want underneath, and just wear the robes while you're in school. I can even imagine running laps in the rain with it on. It goes with the whole "hardships made for Jedi" thing. I know I'd feel a whole heckuvalot smarter with it on!

 

[Alex06]

That's normal in the UK and it's actually quite good for wearing formal clothes later in life.

You'll get used to it, it's good for future skills (astonishing how many dipshits can't do up a tie) and it help promote equality and break down barriers. Bear in mind you're not going to be shuffling around in informal dress for your whole life and learning to be comfortable in your formal clothes is a useful life skill.

I notice that (as fucking usual people) a lot of people are taking the 'freedom' angle. Nice idea...but you're not going to be employable snowflake.

Someone unique and "free" CAN also be useful. Your argument bears no proof that being unique makes one useless. I can just as well say being unique MAKES you useful. And I'll even provide an example.

Someone is unique, he likes, say, fashion. If you're going to be employed at a clothing company or store, that makes you useful, doesn't it?

I think the whole thing is people lack communication and socializing in public areas and at work, so there's a whole aspect to looking and behaving a certain way. Those rules wouldn't be necessary if people simply learned to be open-minded and not bear so much prejudice and ostracize others so easily. People should try and be understanding of each other. If someone is a jerk at work, try and talk to them. (Don't be too direct or anything, just...socialize) Perhaps they're going through a rough patch. Talk to them and be there for them. Most friendships I've seen are bland. No one is there for the other. Why is that? Why is it so hard to simply connect with another person? Why should we keep a distance? We should be thinking practically, not awkwardly. In example, it's summer and it's really hot outside (say it's a record temperature), and someone is in his boxers. Let's say they're a bit loose and you don't see their part. Think practical rather than awkward. He's like that because he can't stand the temperature, rather than acting awkwardly. If it was your brother, you wouldn't really care, right? Why is it wrong if it's someone else you don't know? It's all just instinctive. Our instincts often betray us and we should try and control them rather than just let them take us to bad states of mind. You're angry, ok, but try and keep it in check and talk about it rather than just yelling. If you let go, the other should understand still and not get angry back at you. Things like that, you know.

We must learn to cope with each other rather than to set rules and distances. We're a society, it is our moral and intelligent obligation to do so, if we want to live in a world that's off better.

 

[TheLiham]

In the UK it's not much different if not worse. We all just have to wear the same uniform, nothing different.

This won't seem at all outrageous to those of us in The UK.

WE GET IT MUCH MUCH WORSE.

He's right

Yeah, Its like a soul crushing conformist regime of soul crushyness D:
anyhows I really do not see how having uniform benefits us in any way except for the occasional nazi joke, whereas its so uncomfortable and crappily made its lowering our work performance because we're forever moving to rearrange it or shivering because its about 3 millimeters thick with the jumper.

 

[Tarakos]

My school adopted something very similar a few years back. It sucks at first, but you eventually just go with it. Granted, they've relaxed on it since, but still. But IMO, khakis are more comfortable than denim anyway, so real gripes there.

I believe my school adopted it to A) Improve test scores by eliminating focus on clothing (which'll just turn into whoever wears Aero or Hollister are the elites, defeating the point) and B) To make kids behave (Didn't work. At all).

So yeah, it's all BS, but you'll get used to it.

 

[kommunizt kat]

you're complaining yet people in my country have to wear actual uniforms provided by the school... just be happy that you get to choose and that you dont have to wear white collared polos with black slacks, the school ID and school patch on your chest pocket and black leather shoes ONLY.

 

[nothinghere]

I'd actually enjoy a uniform if it was like, a Star Trek jumpsuit, or a Jedi robe. Damn, I wish I could live in that reality.

A jedi robe would be the best uniform... No gang would perform while wearing them. People wouldm't draw attention with fights while wearing them, it hides weight so people arn't made fun of them, they'd be custom made or something so they should be comfortable, you could wear anything under it, and it would be epic.

You should start a campaign

Oh, hey, you're right! You can wear whatever you want underneath, and just wear the robes while you're in school. I can even imagine running laps in the rain with it on. It goes with the whole "hardships made for Jedi" thing. I know I'd feel a whole heckuvalot smarter with it on!

I am sorry mother, my test scores were low. The force was not with me today.

 

[nothinghere]

you're complaining yet people in my country have to wear actual uniforms provided by the school... just be happy that you get to choose and that you dont have to wear white collared polos with black slacks, the school ID and school patch on your chest pocket and black leather shoes ONLY.

I was more or less asking a question, we've had this for years now doesn't bother me much anymore

 

[Alex06]

you're complaining yet people in my country have to wear actual uniforms provided by the school... just be happy that you get to choose and that you dont have to wear white collared polos with black slacks, the school ID and school patch on your chest pocket and black leather shoes ONLY.

That is a completely defeatist point of view. If you tell yourself someone in the world is worse off than you and that you shouldn't complain...That's not going to make your situation any better. Anyone will think that someone out there is worse off than them at one point...And it will be true, because it really depends on personal taste, opinion and philosophy.

 

[Antitonic]

Spoiler: Snip

That seems completely fair, with the exception of the hair one. Hell, it gives less reason for schoolyard bullying.

So because people can get in fights over other people's choice of clothing, we should remove the choice?

Conflict can come from verbal words. Should we remove the student's right to speak except for a limited set of "appropriate school phrases" to reduce the chance of what they say causing a fight?

What about body language? That can contribute to violence and tension as well between students. Should we have a body language code?

Why are so many people, especially when it comes to education, so seemingly eager to strip people of their rights, individuality, and expression in order for a little bit more potential safety?

If anything, schools should encourage and embrace, not suppress and kill, individuality, creativity, expression.

Granted, it's a tricky issue. From my experience, schools would be a much better learning environment without the students.

The way I see it, uniforms are a socially acceptable form of conditioning for later life. One which I fail to see any big deal about. Then again, I've come through the system, so maybe it's the brainwashing at work?

 

[Paksenarrion]

I'd actually enjoy a uniform if it was like, a Star Trek jumpsuit, or a Jedi robe. Damn, I wish I could live in that reality.

A jedi robe would be the best uniform... No gang would perform while wearing them. People wouldm't draw attention with fights while wearing them, it hides weight so people arn't made fun of them, they'd be custom made or something so they should be comfortable, you could wear anything under it, and it would be epic.

You should start a campaign

Oh, hey, you're right! You can wear whatever you want underneath, and just wear the robes while you're in school. I can even imagine running laps in the rain with it on. It goes with the whole "hardships made for Jedi" thing. I know I'd feel a whole heckuvalot smarter with it on!

I am sorry mother, my test scores were low. The force was not with me today.

What a way to teach sex ed, though...

"Mom, where did I come from?"

"...midichlorians, dear. You were born from midichlorians."

 

[meticadpa]

My school uniform:

-White Shirt, only allowed top button to be undone
-Black jumper or cardigan, has to have the school logo
-Black trousers (pants, for you Americans)
-Black shoes
-No gloves, scarves, jackets, anything allowed on inside

But... I don't wear that. Me and my friends suit up instead.

 

[Gilhelmi]

It saddens me that I am one of the few too support uniforms in school.

They teach discipline and professionalism. You need not worry about what to where. One child cannot be picked on for wearing 'hand-me-downs' or 'thrift store' cloths.

I do think if the school implements a dress code, it should be reasonably priced (less then $50 per pair), and the first two or three pairs for free.

At work, I wear a uniform. When I go to Army training, I wear a uniform. In school, you should wear a uniform. When I go back to University, even if there is no dress code, I will wear a standardized uniform to class (some type of light wight suit, or maybe a nice shirt and blazer. I welcome any ideas).

But then again, I like a disciplined lifestyle in public. In private, I am very relaxed.

 

[nothinghere]

I'd actually enjoy a uniform if it was like, a Star Trek jumpsuit, or a Jedi robe. Damn, I wish I could live in that reality.

A jedi robe would be the best uniform... No gang would perform while wearing them. People wouldm't draw attention with fights while wearing them, it hides weight so people arn't made fun of them, they'd be custom made or something so they should be comfortable, you could wear anything under it, and it would be epic.

You should start a campaign

Oh, hey, you're right! You can wear whatever you want underneath, and just wear the robes while you're in school. I can even imagine running laps in the rain with it on. It goes with the whole "hardships made for Jedi" thing. I know I'd feel a whole heckuvalot smarter with it on!

I am sorry mother, my test scores were low. The force was not with me today.

What a way to teach sex ed, though...

"Mom, where did I come from?"

"...midichlorians, dear. You were born from midichlorians."

I see a promising future for the Jedi Academy

 

[Terminate421]

This is unfortunatly where Hentai gets its kicks, slutty uniforms on women with the larges-

Woah! On topic.
No, no uniforms, otherwise, what would be the point of buying clothes? Just slip into your uniform and go out the door.

 

[estoria-etnia]

I attended public school from kindergarten to grade twelve and I was never required to wear a uniform ? apart from the band uniform I wore in high school. We had a dress code at all of my schools but it was pretty lax and not really all that well enforced (from what I saw at least). From what I remember, only a few things were really banned and that was mostly towards logos and sayings on shirts that contained foul language, sexual innuendoes and the like, and gang-related symbols, etc.

People wore all kinds of things that could be construed as being extremely revealing or sexual or inappropriate, but no one really called them out on it nor did it get them into trouble. Our dress code was lax and we could pretty much express ourselves through our clothes and hair however we wanted. Your school sounds like a public school that wants to be a private one with such a strict dress code, it sounds stupid and extremely difficult to enforce.

I know that there's a lot of 'it's preparing you for the work environment' and the like, but I would think that over time your fashion sense would evolve with you. I'm in university now, I don't really see much of a difference between how people dress on campus ? including some of my professors and TAs ? and high school students. What school ? high school in particular ? is meant to do is help you figure out what you'd like to go on to do later in life and help prepare you for whatever post-secondary path you might want to pursue or if you want to head straight into the workforce.

Uniforms, though, don't really come across to me as being something that kids really need in their lives. To me, it feels as though it teaches them that conformity is the only way to fit in and get through life and also could make them feel that without that uniform they don't have a 'group' to belong to and that's where their worth lies. They seem as though they're a way to crush another group of peoples' values onto young people to make them into little cookie-cutter clones or to brainwash them into following mindlessly. I've never liked them for a number of reasons, mostly because one school I thought about attending for high school did have uniforms and it was a requirement for me as a female to wear a mini-skirt.

But like I said, I attended public school for pretty much my entire life and I never had to wear a uniform. And we didn't have problems with students joining gangs and being violent in school. My school was ranked pretty well in terms of academics and we had great teachers and in general a very good school atmosphere and sense of school spirit. I think that's what should be focused on instead of the uniforms. Focus more on the students themselves, pay attention to them, and figure out how to solve the problems by asking them and valuing their opinions a little more than as sheep. For some reason, it seems like administration seems to think that students are sheep or cattle and that they need to be looked after and herded instead of actually educating them and teaching them to think for themselves.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

-We cant wear shirts the same color as our eyes

Do you go to an Aimish school?