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Mistah Kurtz

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Usige Beatha post=18.71728.737537 said:
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Usige Beatha post=18.71728.737456 said:
I don't want to vote for Obama for a couple reasons. But I absolutely wont vote for him for one: his support base, aggravates me. There's a lot of of an ego going around in the camp of his supporters.
I think that Obama is a pompous jerk, but if I prefer his policies I'd vote for him (if I could vote). We don't need people voting for who they want to have a beer with again.
Honestly, I think Obama is a decent guy. I'm not so sure about his voters though.
You think he's a decent guy? The man gave money to (I forget his name, maybe i'll edit it later) an anti-israel extremist and has the nerve to come up with the slogan 'pro-obama, pro-israel'. He and his family were members of a black liberation theology church, a sect of christianity which teaches that white people are evil and are responsible for every evil thing in this world, much like how the jews were scapegoated. He voted against a bill that would give medical treatment to botched-abortion babies. Doesn't seem like a very nice man to me..

But beyond personal reasons, I don't like his stance on the war - (you don't tell your enemy when you're going to leave, and you certainly don't pull troops out until things are stable), i don't like his stance on taxes (he plans to double the capital gains tax, thus hurting businesses and costing people jobs) and has many plans for extravagant social programs we can't afford, like free health care for every child in America. Sounds nice, but we can't fucking afford it. Look at Obama's plans - he's trying to spend money we don't have, and make up for it by raising taxes, hurting businesses and economic progress and raising unemployment. How the hell is this a good plan?

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"According to the National Taxpayers Union, Obama has proposed at least $287 billion a year in new government spending. He also co-sponsored a Senate bill to spend at least $845 billion a year to fight global poverty."
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama/2008/02/27/75994.html

So basically his idea is to raise taxes during an economic down turn to generate revenue for his insane social programs. Money the American people don't have right now. You raise taxes when times are good, THEN you can institute some new spending, but you don't raise taxes when things are shitty. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, or however that saying goes.

And spending almost a TRILLION DOLLARS in foreign fucking aid? That money could wipe out our national debt in a matter of a decade or so, and he wants to give it away?
This is why I'm voting republican. We don't have a responsibility to give anything to these countries - it's a nice thing to do, WHEN WE HAVE THE MONEY, but we don't, so we can't right now. The democrats need to get that through their heads.
 

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Darth Mobius post=9.71728.735041 said:
Republicans are Teh EVILZ! They want to OWN THE WORLD!

Seriously, this is getting annoying. The Republicans are corrupt, war mongering, business shills. The Democrats ARE better, but I am not sure if things will change ENOUGH under their control...

Oh well, any one that isn't a Republican is fine with me.

Oh yeah. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THREADS LIKE THIS ALREADY!
Yeah and democrats are dishonest anti-capitalist socialist retards with no concept of debt.
 

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Darth Mobius post=9.71728.737641 said:
As I said. Democrats are not the answer, but Republicans ARE the problem.
Actually, democrats are the problem. If not for the democrats, we wouldn't be in such astounding debt as a nation. You won't hear that in the media though - everywhere from TV to newspapers is shouting the anti republican mantra at the top of their lungs because Bush did some stupid shit.
 

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Darth Mobius post=18.71728.737659 said:
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everywhere from TV to newspapers is shouting the anti republican mantra at the top of their lungs because Bush did some stupid shit.
Well, I can't argue with that because you actually proved my point for me. Thanks.
Clinton did stupid shit too - that doesn't mean I can logically follow from that that all democrats are fuckups. You can't bunch in all republicans with bush just because bush made some mistakes and it's convenient for you to make republicans look bad.
Edit: Let me clarify
Your argument
Bush is a republican. Bush is bad, therefore republicans are bad.

P is Q. P is A // All Q's are A

makes no fucking sense.
 

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Darth Mobius post=18.71728.737674 said:
Well, I would agree... EXCEPT, As McCain PROUDLY pointed out, he voted WITH President Bush over 90% of the time. More of the same? I think so.
90% of the time? Is that an exact number? On which matters did they disagree? Have you checked the voting records?

Edit: And if it is, it's because of party solidarity, and because bush had some good ideas. The troop surge worked, the tax breaks were good, what are some specific votes you take issue with?

DOUBLE EDIT; And come to think of it, even your own precious Hilary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. No one seems to remember that the poster woman for the democratic party voted for the war in iraq too.
 

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Mccain does not advocate a one world government, I doubt he said that it's America's duty to dominate the middle east, and if Obama satisfies your requirements for a commander in chief then you must have pretty low standards when it comes to basic tactics. (Obama voted for a troop withdrawel and a mandatory time table for complete withdrawel - you don't vote on when the war is over, the war is over when it's over)
 

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As attractive as the prospect of running away from our problems in Iraq sounds, they exist and they aren't going to go away. Obama wants to cut and run - that's not how we do things.

How exactly is putting more financial burden on the business owners going to increase employment? Obama plans for a quarter trillion dollars more government spending then we already have. Where do you think that's coming from? The wealthy business owners. When business owners don't make as much money, they can't prosper and expand, and thus less jobs are created.
 

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sneakypenguin post=18.71728.737076 said:
Hopefully McCain, a liberal republican is better than a Marxist I'd say.
Obama is not a Marxist. He is a capitalist. Let me make that -very- clear definition.

And McCain is to liberalism what Hitler was to conscientious decision making and human rights.
 

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ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
 

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rekabdarb post=18.71728.737761 said:
ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
Actually, feminists aren't supporting Sarah Palin. You have to understand that the feminist agenda isn't really about women - it's about liberalism.
 

Labyrinth

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Mistah Kurtz post=18.71728.737775 said:
rekabdarb post=18.71728.737761 said:
ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
Actually, feminists aren't supporting Sarah Palin. You have to understand that the feminist agenda isn't really about women - it's about liberalism.
The base ideal of genuine feminism is that gender is irrelevant, and it is the person themselves who matters, not what they have in their pants. Palin is a nightmare to this.
 

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Yes, and th
Labyrinth post=18.71728.737779 said:
Mistah Kurtz post=18.71728.737775 said:
rekabdarb post=18.71728.737761 said:
ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
Actually, feminists aren't supporting Sarah Palin. You have to understand that the feminist agenda isn't really about women - it's about liberalism.
The base ideal of genuine feminism is that gender is irrelevant, and it is the person themselves who matters, not what they have in their pants. Palin is a nightmare to this.
How exactly is Palin a 'nightmare to this'?
And yes, you're right - they want people to be judged individually, and for most feminists this means finding out if someone is liberal or conservative. One thing I hate about liberals is they constantly shout hateful rhetoric about republicans and then claim that it's the right wingers who are the hateful ones.
 

Labyrinth

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Mistah Kurtz post=18.71728.737795 said:
Yes, and th
Labyrinth post=18.71728.737779 said:
Mistah Kurtz post=18.71728.737775 said:
rekabdarb post=18.71728.737761 said:
ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
Actually, feminists aren't supporting Sarah Palin. You have to understand that the feminist agenda isn't really about women - it's about liberalism.
The base ideal of genuine feminism is that gender is irrelevant, and it is the person themselves who matters, not what they have in their pants. Palin is a nightmare to this.
How exactly is Palin a 'nightmare to this'?
And yes, you're right - they want people to be judged individually, and for most feminists this means finding out if someone is liberal or conservative. One thing I hate about liberals is they constantly shout hateful rhetoric about republicans and then claim that it's the right wingers who are the hateful ones.
It's in her manner, and also in her policy. Such as her anti-abortion stance, and the fact that she is pretty much forcing her daughter to be married for the sake of her political career, though I'd say those are also tragedies of human rights.