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Labyrinth

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Tenmar post=18.71728.737820 said:
If anything I would really feel sorry for not only the daughter but also the father. Nothing smells more like BLACKMAIL than forcing a man to marry a daughter against his will and be DRAGGED around the U.S. to help with the election. We do not even know if this is what the father even wants in his life. His rights are also being ignored just as much as the daughter's. The two should be given help by their parents, and be given the options to choose from so that they can actually live their life even if they choose different routes.

I cannot wait to see in the news of them divorcing and then a mysterious murder of the father. That will be a fun potential whitehouse scandal.
I think it's just disgusting the way that the daughter's private life is such a big deal. She isn't her mother, and should be treated as an individual with her own opinions and choices, just like the father of her child.
 

Jaythulhu

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I tuned in to Foxnews earlier so I could get my weekly dose of bile, hatred and bigotry, and heard bill wankstain o'riely talking to a psychologist about the pros of voting for mccain, given sarah palin as his vp. The pros were literally "she has a nice smile, her hand gestures are wide and expressive, and she dresses well."

Those are the reasons americans should vote for that party of liars, thieves and bigots? Holy shit, what the hell is wrong with your nation when those are the best reasons to vote for someone?
 

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Opinion polls seem pretty close at the moment, but I'm hoping Obama gets in. Maybe I'm just falling for the rhetoric, but he seems more genuine about change than McCain - who until a couple of months ago was running on his experience in Washington rather than his ability to change the status quo.

The selection of Palin as VP is a bit of a warning sign in my head as well - it seems like a dangerous ploy to keep a Republican in the White House at any cost; everything I've seen and read about the woman sets off alarm bells, from her seemingly pathological lies about nearly everything she's done or supported to her complete lack of meaningful experience.

I don't have much invested in the outcome of this election seeing as I'm in the UK, but the idea that John McCain might win this thing just fills me with dread.
 

Jaythulhu

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Technically, everyone worldwide has a stake in this election in america. They're about to decide whether they're going to remain hated by all and sundry for their hypocritical, larcenous, warmongering ways, or start to regain some of the respect and love that has been squandered and wasted by bush and his republican cronies/puppetteers for the last 8 years.
 

Labyrinth

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Jaythulhu post=18.71728.738305 said:
Technically, everyone worldwide has a stake in this election in america. They're about to decide whether they're going to remain hated by all and sundry for their hypocritical, larcenous, warmongering ways, or start to regain some of the respect and love that has been squandered and wasted by bush and his republican cronies/puppetteers for the last 8 years.
This implies that Americans as a whole look beyond their own borders for anything other than cheap goods, opportunities for war and occasionally scientists to poach.
 

Mistah Kurtz

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Labyrinth post=18.71728.737811 said:
Mistah Kurtz post=18.71728.737795 said:
Yes, and th
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rekabdarb post=18.71728.737761 said:
ok i have two things to say...
Tenmar... damn son you really like to type
and two, i personally believe that McCain is gonna win because (personally) hillary supporters are gonna be blinded by ZOMFG SARAH PALIN IS A FEMALE DEMOCRATS ARE BASHING SARAH PALIN THEY SEXIST. If they really wanted to see her crash and burn, just leave her alone... seriously... have you seen her interviews LAWL
Actually, feminists aren't supporting Sarah Palin. You have to understand that the feminist agenda isn't really about women - it's about liberalism.
The base ideal of genuine feminism is that gender is irrelevant, and it is the person themselves who matters, not what they have in their pants. Palin is a nightmare to this.
How exactly is Palin a 'nightmare to this'?
And yes, you're right - they want people to be judged individually, and for most feminists this means finding out if someone is liberal or conservative. One thing I hate about liberals is they constantly shout hateful rhetoric about republicans and then claim that it's the right wingers who are the hateful ones.
It's in her manner, and also in her policy. Such as her anti-abortion stance, and the fact that she is pretty much forcing her daughter to be married for the sake of her political career, though I'd say those are also tragedies of human rights.
Oh, I forgot that being anti baby-murder means you're anti-women. That's what liberalism's come to unfortunately....
And Palin is FORCING her daughter to marry? Do you have any proof of this whatsoever? I have more respect for Palin because of this fiasco - her daughter made a mistake, and she's handling it like an adult, and is taking responsibility for her actions. Most people wouldn't do this and would simply sneak off and murder the baby together to avoid the problem.
 

Mistah Kurtz

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Jaythulhu post=18.71728.738305 said:
Technically, everyone worldwide has a stake in this election in america. They're about to decide whether they're going to remain hated by all and sundry for their hypocritical, larcenous, warmongering ways, or start to regain some of the respect and love that has been squandered and wasted by bush and his republican cronies/puppetteers for the last 8 years.
You're right, we can't let Obama get elected.
 

Jaythulhu

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This implies that Americans as a whole look beyond their own borders for anything other than cheap goods, opportunities for war and occasionally scientists to poach.
Well, no, it's more that whatever the yanks do has serious repercussions on the rest of the world. I'm well aware that 17% of americans can't find their own country on a map. Australia was never a consideration as a terrorist target (although what're they gonna do? blow up sydney? most of us queenslanders would help) before our brown-nose pm belived what dubya told him and dragged us into the illegal and immoral war in iraq. I know that many americans can't see beyond themselves, much like many of the populace from around the world, but as a super-power and supposed leaders of the free world, what they do impacts on everyone. Personally, I'm a little tired of having to spend a third of my weekly income on fuel just to get to work so that I can feed myself and my cat.
 

Mistah Kurtz

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Jaythulhu post=18.71728.738371 said:
This implies that Americans as a whole look beyond their own borders for anything other than cheap goods, opportunities for war and occasionally scientists to poach.
Well, no, it's more that whatever the yanks do has serious repercussions on the rest of the world. I'm well aware that 17% of americans can't find their own country on a map. Australia was never a consideration as a terrorist target (although what're they gonna do? blow up sydney? most of us queenslanders would help) before our brown-nose pm belived what dubya told him and dragged us into the illegal and immoral war in iraq. I know that many americans can't see beyond themselves, much like many of the populace from around the world, but as a super-power and supposed leaders of the free world, what they do impacts on everyone. Personally, I'm a little tired of having to spend a third of my weekly income on fuel just to get to work so that I can feed myself and my cat.
Fuel prices are based on the supply of fuel and the demand for it. It has fuck all to do with Bush.
 

wolfwood_is_here

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Labyrinth post=18.71728.737754 said:
Obama is not a Marxist. He is a capitalist. Let me make that -very- clear definition.
I am sorry but that is pure bullshit. You have no clue what capitalism is if you think Obama supports capitalism, or is a capitalist. His solution to problems is to create government or government sponsored solutions. A capitalist would look to private sources that would resolve the issue, not government.

Obama's economic advisers (Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson) are both previous CEO's of Fannie May. A GOVERNMENT sponsored enterprise. They are neck deep in blame for giving out loans to people who could never pay them back, knowing full well that the government would bail them out if things went wrong.

In a true capitalist economy, the government doesn't bail ANYONE out, and doesn't interfere with the economy at all. The "crisis" is the last remnants of capitalism trying to correct for years of artificial inflation due to the government interfering with economics by offering no-risk loans to people who would not pay them back.

And Obama has the balls to try and blame the "Republicans" and "capitalism" when he is taking advice from two people who actually caused the problem. Pure capitalism hasn't existed in the USA for over 40 years, constantly being undermined by liberal policies that "protect" people. Ironic now that when capitalism is finally working that liberals cry the most.

Obama is a socialist. Whether his particular flavor is Marxism is not the point. Obama supports government interference in the economy to "protect" people from risks. Obama is the antithesis of capitalism.

I am amazed at the sheer ignorance of the concepts you and other Obama supporters are throwing about. It is no wonder that Obama has gotten as far as he has when he has so many people with no clue giving him fanatical support.
 

Aeviv

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Personally i get all my politic views off comedy pannel shows, and id vote for Obama as he seems like a breath of fresh air to American politics.

Tho in the words of comedian Frankie Boyle 'Obama isnt a breath of fresh air! He is very slightly different! Vin Diesel! He would be a breath of fresh air! King Kong, would be a breath of fresh air!'

I also like the reasons he said he didnt like McCains party: 'They are playing on the fact McCain was in 'nam. They're calling him a war hero, becuase he was shot down 5 times. That doesnt make you a war hero. That makes you a crap pilot!'
 

mushroomyakuza

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This is my first post here, and I'd like to stress that as a Brit, I sometimes think my own countrymen can be a little too easily persuaded by the media over here when it comes to coverage of the elections - we do tend to get it in brief snips though television and the "mainstream" newspapers.

First of all, let me establish I'm deeply interested in the election, am a serious fan of America and am actually far more patrotic towards the nation than my own (strange, I know, but I almost feel, spiritually, like an American - just as a small example, it shocks me that 9/11 isn't remembered with a moment of silence in the UK, maybe it isn't in the US, I'm not sure, but it deeply bothers me).

Getting back to Britain's view of this election, I asked a girl at work the other day what she thought of the candidates for president. She said "I hope Obama wins, that woman shouldn't be President". I nearly slapped myself on the forehead, then decided against it and proceeded to ask her why she wanted to vote Obama if she could have rather than Palin (who she thought was the 'other' candidate). She said "because he's a black guy and I think it would do America good". Now, while in principle I agree, she was completely unaware of any of Obama's policies, and seemed to look at him in the "rockstar" light that everyone seems to be casting him in (and in some cases, he doesn't help himself with this image). She didn't even know who John McCain was, or what either of the candidates political affiliations were - the buzz around Palin has been so huge she's almost swallowed McCain whole, at least that's how it appears sometimes when you judge it by the headlines over here.

What disturbs me is how unaware people not from the US generally are on the candidates policies - they may think it doesn't concern or affect them (while it does), but things are just taken at face value unless you make a concious effort to find out what's going on in the election. Sure, people can rail at John McCain for having several houses and having suspicious backers, bu they conveniently forget Obama was under investiagtion due to his relationship with a corrupt estate agent a few years back.

I also disapprove of how Obama claims McCain's winning the election would mean a "third term" for the Bush administration. I don't think this is true at all - McCain may have backed nearly all of Bush's decisions, including the invasion of Iraq, but the simply labe him as the continuation of a bad administration is unfair - and a lot of McCain's policies would directly contradict Bush's.

Having said that, I am certainly backing Obama, and seriously wish I had an actual vote in the election - but it isn't up to us Brits or Europeans - it's Americans, and it's their decision to make, for right or wrong. I just feel it's time. There's something almost Kennedy-like about Obama - an air of plain likeableness, however "elite" he is sometimes painted to be (remember this normally refers to his political party and not Obama himself), and while he has questionable experience, this is what the States needs if you ask me. Republicans have dominated the elections for thirty years, and the Bush administration has seen a crescendo of selfish, apathetic politics finally climax - how much more can America take? This is a nation constructed on an idea - yet that idea seems so far away right now, it's almost lost entirely. So it's time to bring that idea back, or to forge a new one. While Obama's race is a poor reason for winning the election (infact, it is not a relevant one) it is symbolic in that he will be the FIRST African American to successfully win the Presidency, hopefully ushering in a new age in a nation (no disrespect, Americans) gone awry.

Meanwhile McCain feels like rhetoric - that's what the Republicans have become. Palin meanwhile, is so unfit for the job that I won't even begin to tackle the numerous reasons why. It's time for a change. Vote Obama.

Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm some kind of undercover Democrat campaign worker - good, offer me a job!
 

wolfwood_is_here

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mushroomyakuza post=18.71728.738611 said:
Republicans have dominated the elections for thirty years, and the Bush administration has seen a crescendo of selfish, apathetic politics finally climax - how much more can America take? This is a nation constructed on an idea - yet that idea seems so far away right now, it's almost lost entirely. So it's time to bring that idea back, or to forge a new one...
Welcome and thank you for the well thought out post ^_^

What I would like to know is what elections Republicans have dominated for 30 years?

What do you think the original idea was that the USA has strayed from?

What policies of Obama's do you think will realign the country to that original idea?

If we need to forge a new idea, what would there be to pick from?
 

Beowulf DW

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Who lead us out of the Great Depression? Democrats

Who lead us through WWII? Democrats

Who lead us to the greatest national surplus we've ever seen? A Democrat

Who blew through that same surplus and put us deep into national debt? A Republican


Oh, to the neo-conservative fear-mongers who have called Obama a Marxist, The Cold War ended a while ago. That strategy can't work anymore. Think of it with this metaphor: theres a line. The left side of this line is liberal, the right side is conservative. Just to the left of the center of this line, you find the Democrats. To the right of the center, you have the Republicans. If you go far enough down the left side, you'll arrive at the Marxists and Communists. If you go far enough down the right side, however, you'll find the Socialists and Fascists. The Democrats may be on the same side of this line as the Marxists, but you Republicans are only a few steps from the fascists.
 

mushroomyakuza

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wolfwood_is_here post=18.71728.738637 said:
mushroomyakuza post=18.71728.738611 said:
Republicans have dominated the elections for thirty years, and the Bush administration has seen a crescendo of selfish, apathetic politics finally climax - how much more can America take? This is a nation constructed on an idea - yet that idea seems so far away right now, it's almost lost entirely. So it's time to bring that idea back, or to forge a new one...
Welcome and thank you for the well thought out post ^_^

What I would like to know is what elections Republicans have dominated for 30 years?

What do you think the original idea was that the USA has strayed from?

What policies of Obama's do you think will realign the country to that original idea?

If we need to forge a new idea, what would there be to pick from?
1) Uh, the Presidential elections? 7 out of 10 having been Republican victories in the last thirty years, if I remember correctly.

2) This is surely a rhetorical question, if not, look it up.

3) I don't know, I'm not a politician, foo.
 

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Labyrinth post=18.71728.735047 said:
Obama would be assassinated.
McCain is a ****.
Palin should be shot.
America's fucked either way.

And might I add that there's no great difference between USA's major parties anyway?
Pretty much says it all.
I voted for; Barack Obama will NOT win but in my opinion he should have won.
I just do not think that he will be allowed to win by the powers that be. It is gonna be the year 2000 elections all over again.
(Edit) Oh yes, and I am from (outside the US) Iceland.
 

Death Magnetic

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Grubnar post=18.71728.738729 said:
I voted for; Barack Obama will NOT win but in my opinion he should have won.
I just do not think that he will be allowed to win by the powers that be. It is gonna be the year 2000 elections all over again.
(Edit) Oh yes, and I am from (outside the US) Iceland.
Exactly what I was going to say apart from I'm from jolly old England.
 

Mistah Kurtz

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Beowulf DW post=18.71728.738661 said:
Who lead us out of the Great Depression? Democrats
World war 1 led us out of the depression.
Who lead us through WWII? Democrats
A democrat was in office when the japanese attacked. What's your point?
Who lead us to the greatest national surplus we've ever seen? A Democrat
Actually, the reason the economy did well under clinton was because of the 1990s technological boom. Clinton had jack shit to do with it, correlation != causation.
Who blew through that same surplus and put us deep into national debt? A Republican
And terrorist attacks AND a waw AND recession AND a democrat majority in the congress
Oh, to the neo-conservative fear-mongers who have called Obama a Marxist, The Cold War ended a while ago. That strategy can't work anymore. Think of it with this metaphor: theres a line. The left side of this line is liberal, the right side is conservative. Just to the left of the center of this line, you find the Democrats. To the right of the center, you have the Republicans. If you go far enough down the left side, you'll arrive at the Marxists and Communists. If you go far enough down the right side, however, you'll find the Socialists and Fascists. The Democrats may be on the same side of this line as the Marxists, but you Republicans are only a few steps from the fascists.
Just because the cold war is over doesn't mean people don't still hold communist views. Democrats want to raise taxes, increase social program funding, make bigger centralized government, tax the rich to hell and distribute wealth more evenly...
Sounds a lot like communism to me.

By the way:
WHO PASSED THE CIVIL RIGHTS AMENDMENT!?
If you guessed democrats, you'd be wrong. The only reason the civil rights ammendment was passed was because of republicans. Democrats voted against it 60-40. That's right minorities - don't forget that nasty little bit of history of your beloved party.