Poll: Victimless crime.

[benylor]

Drug-imbibing cases aren't victimless either... just last month some stoner here burned down his apartment, along with the complex it was attached to. I'm pretty sure the people that lost all their possessions didn't consider themselves 'victimless.'

That doesn't prove that drug imbibing ISN'T a victimless crime. It just proves that ARSON certainly isn't a victimless crime. And no one in this thread has tried to suggest that arson isn't a victimles crime, so...

It wasn't arson. Arson is a deliberate act. He burned down his apartment because he was so stoned that he dropped his joint into the couch and allowed it to burn. If he hadn't been doing drugs, it wouldn't have happened.

And that's just the result of drug use. We won't even go into ramifications of the drug trade, which is required to get the drugs into the hands of these idiots.

Actually, I'd argue that it's a case of the fellow being a bloody idiot. Precautions should have been taken while sober if he can't control himself while stoned. It's the same mistake as using a microwave inappropriately and starting a fire that way.

Drugs don't do stupid things, people do stupid things.

 

[Nick of Blades]

Probably loitering, and jay walking, unles you get over while jay walking.

 

[lee1287]

Loitering

Depends where. If there are a group of youths loitering outside a shop, customers may be to scared too go into said shop and the shop would loose business.

 

[Fizzpopper]

It's these jerks that make the majority of the hard-working, honest and trust-worthy cops a bad name, and it saddens me that this kind of behaviour is still tolerated in North America...

You mean like that part in my post where I said that a small minority is the one causing problems?

"sigh" Sorry about that, the G20 arrests are kind of a sore spot with me, I have a tendency to go off whenever someone mentions it...

 

[Tom Roberts]

Masturbation.
(See Laws of the Vatican, for those who doubt.)

 

[Fappy]

Loitering

Unless its in front of a business that has asked you to leave their property and properly reported it. That's really the only instants though.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

There are things that are illegal where I'm hard pressed to find the victim. But my stance is that without a victim, why precisely is it a crime?

 

[capin Rob]

Rape, you girls know it's great when it's rough

I guess there is no such thing as a victimless crime.

 

[Hawgh]

Necrophilia. Illegal, no victim.
Very icky, however.

 

[Fappy]

Necrophilia. Illegal, no victim.
Very icky, however.

I dunno. I'd feel victimized if someone fornicated my dead cat

 

[artymisscat]

a law against something therefor makes the definition of a crime. no criminal charge, no crime.
laws that are almost flexibile in there philosophy, and can even create vitims by just being there, could be considered victimless. Eg: prostitution, recreational drug use, prohibition (for a time)

Try to reverse it. Is there such thing as a Crimeless Victim?

 

[Superbeast]

Necrophilia. Illegal, no victim.
Very icky, however.

Hmm - trauma to the family of the decadent being molested? Particularly if it's via grave-robbery.

 

[theamazingbean]

It depends on what you qualify as a victim.

 

[Ranorak]

Being gay in a country that still punishes it by death.

Yeah..

 

[HotFezz8]

(mine being: the police are fucking useless bullies in uniforms who only leave their desks to beat up drunks)

People who say that always go crying to the police at the first sign of trouble.

no mate, people who say that are usually people who have been victims of crime who have been let down by the police.

now my house has been broken into, and my sisters best friend was raped. in the polices defense they arrested a bloke, charged him, then let him go again. the upside to that story is that she was a member of a karate club, who, after they heard what happened, met the bloke outside a pub and put him in hospital.

 

[HotFezz8]

my question is simple; is there any such thing? surely to be a crime it must hurt someone..?

Allow me to get up from my desk for a moment... *goes and slaps around a drunk* alright. Now lets see, how can I answer this.

Victimless crime is a term invented by petty (and not so petty) criminals to try to justify there actions. There is NO SUCH THING. Many times people site drug and vice laws as victimless.
The victim of those laws is often the criminal themselves or their immediate family. It's easy to say 'i'm only hurting myself' but that's bullshit justification. You're hurting your family most likely, you're also wasting your potential and being a drain on society as a whole. By existing in the drug you also make everyone who comes in contact with you more likely to use and waste their lives.
I'm not saying everyone who uses drugs wastes their life but given what I've seen it's safe to say that is sure as hell doesn't help.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to go write some reports involving people who STOLE OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY because they needed money to support the victimless crime of drug abuse. Or those totally harmless guys that shot another junkie to steal his drugs. On my 18th hour straight of 'sitting at a desk'. (which surprisingly has had very little sitting)
edit: the victim who was shot was okay. after a day in the hospital... which he can't pay for because of the victimless crime of habitual drug use.

Laws aren't definite. They don't define a victim. They just state what a group of people believes everyone else should or shouldn't do.

What? yes they do, in state, county, city laws the phrase 'the individual hereafter referred to as the VICTIM' comes up in nearly all laws. That's how a society works. You can justify any part of human behavior by handwaving it as you just did.

you've spent 18 hours behind a desk? strewth that must be horrific. you really deserve twice the wages of a proffessional infantry soldier.

that said if your talking about a shooting your probably not a british policeman, if not then don't concern yourself with my opinion. I've only had experience with british police (and all of it negative).

however the statement "'i'm only hurting myself' but that's bullshit justification. You're hurting your family most likely, you're also wasting your potential and being a drain on society as a whole".

what about people on benefits? people who make no effort in life for eg?

 

[HotFezz8]

It depends on what you qualify as a victim.

that definitely deserves further explanation, if a murderer is murdered does he still count as a victim? what id its a possible murderer?

Being gay in a country that still punishes it by death.

Yeah..

strewth yeah that counts!

 

[Mantonio]

Blasphemy.

 

[Goth Skunk]

I'll give you an example of a real crime and a victimless crime, though it's touchy.

A) A priest gets stopped at a border crossing, his laptop is searched, and hundreds of pictures of naked young boys are found.

B) John Doe's house is searched on the suspicion he's in possession of kiddie porn. All that's found are boxes full of shota comics.

Case A is a crime.

People want case B to be a crime too. Depending on where you live, it may already be. In most countries, it's a grey area.

I believe case B is not a crime, as no one has been victimized. Yes, John Doe is a pervert, and thanks to the police investigation now everyone on his neighbourhood block knows this, but he hasn't done anything wrong. He shouldn't be convicted for it, and furthermore, anyone that damages his property or assaults him ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[CRoone]

Of course there are victimless crimes.

Underage drinking by 1 day for example, and most other drug related laws.

...Unless you count the ability to victimize your own 1-day underaged liver. Don't mind me, though, I'm just nitpicking. I really think it's a moot point. Crime is crime, victim or no.