Poll: Victoria police given permission to fine swearing

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FateOrFatality

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Blitzwing said:
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Blitzwing said:
FateOrFatality said:
This is why I don't like how Australia doesn't really have a bill of rights (I'm pretty sure we don't have one - other than the right to vote, etc. - but correct me if I'm wrong).

The Government shouldn't be able to control what words we say, nor what games we play, or any of the other bullshit they do (making small breasts in porn illegal.
Oh for the love of god. We didn?t ban small breasts! Does on one on this fucking site do any research beyond some tabloid rag?
Source? I'm pretty sure I remember reading about it in the newspaper, and I live in Australia...
http://www.inquisitr.com/59633/australian-government-censor-confirms-small-breast-ban-sort-of/
Small breast aren?t banned but actress that look underage are.
I fail to see the how that is relevant then? I was arguing that the Government shouldn't be allowed to ban whatever they want - as long as a porn actor is an adult, they should be allowed to do what they want. Whether the ban was on small breasts or actors who look young, my point still stands.
 

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TU4AR said:
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I fail to see the how that is relevant then? I was arguing that the Government shouldn't be allowed to ban whatever they want - as long as a porn actor is an adult, they should be allowed to do what they want. Whether the ban was on small breasts or actors who look young, my point still stands.
But can we still ban art that involves photos of naked underage girls?
Yes, because that is exploiting underage girls. The argument there is that while they aren't mature enough to consent to being in porn, adults are.
 

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InfiniteSingularity said:
New laws are giving Victorian police in Australia to give people $240 on the spot for swearing. What do you think of this?

Personally I think it's a violation of free speech - we should be allowed to say what we want to say. There are laws prohibiting offensive language, but I don't think swearing is offensive. It's not directed at a particular ethnic or religious or any division of humanity, it is only universally offensive. I personally think that if people find something offensive, like swearing, it's their own business, and the law shouldn't intervene.

"Swearing is bad" is an opinion. And I know this is true because I disagree with it; hence, it is an opinion and not fact. You cannot make and enforce a law which is based on an OPINION - that is bias. That is unbalanced, and that is unjust.
free speech dosent count for anything in australia
 

Joccaren

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Well mate, I work in a club here in Canberra, and I can tell you that despite what you may think, there are plenty of people who find swearing very offensive. And fuck, what's with this website and "conservatives"? Maybe they just have fucking manners. I know I don't, but I'll respect those who do.

Can everyone stop acting like I'm not Australian, Christ

OKAY FAGGOTS LISTEN UP

I'm fairly sure this was the website that got it's panties in a twist over using the words "gay" and "******" as general derogatory terms, yet you're having a good old whinge about this. So which is it? Should we have our words controlled or not? Make up your minds, hippy fuckers.
How old are these people? Over 35? And if not, who were they bought up by? I say conservative because even teachers at my school (A private school where swearing is strictly against the rules) won't punish students (well most of them won't, there are some who are regarded as overly-strict by everyone [including other teachers]) if they swear when in pain or something. Many will tell them off if they call other people bitches (pays $240) or fags (pays $240), but there are still some who let it slide. Therefore, my observations living here in Vic, almost every reasonable person under the age of 40 that I know of finds swearing from pain inoffensive, and most find casual swearing inoffensive. It is when it is used in a derogatory context that it becomes offensive.

If you say there is something wrong with those younger generations because they don't mind swearing as much, there is not. We are the ones who will be living in the country, and who will be living with swearing when we grow up. Teaching kids that 'Fuck' (pays $240, wow, I'm almost broke) and 'Shit' (pays $240) are not horrible words to be avoided at all costs is in many ways a good thing. Not only is the entire appeal in saying the word because of the fact that its bad, but allowing them to say it on occasion (not obsessively, every second word [and I mean a semi-literal every second word, I.E; around every 3 or 4 words is unacceptable, but a few times a conversation is alright]) may actually have the effect on them that it has had on us: the words lose meaning. They are just another way of saying 'oh gosh', but not as stupid sounding.

I, and most others I know, find these words inoffensive because they lack meaning. If they carry meaning, then we find it offensive, but when they lack it, there is no point in being offended.

Just to bring up something someone else said, would you rather I:
a) Said 'Fuck' (Hope I haven't put my wallet away yet) when I stubbed my toe
b) Punched the nearest person in the face when I stubbed my toe to relieve my stress and anger
c) Pent up my stress and anger at the pain inside myself, and allowed it build until I snapped and did something very irrational.

I am considered by the majority to be conservative, I swear nowhere near as much as they do (unless I am in a bad mood), and I find that there is seriously no problem with swearing. There is a girl I know that is more conservative than me, she dislikes any swear words, however, she is not offended by it, she will merely ask the person who swore not to swear, and, on occasion, she herself will swear because she was not consciously thinking 'don't swear'. I seriously lack the understanding of what some peoples problem with it is.
 

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TU4AR said:
FateOrFatality said:
I fail to see the how that is relevant then? I was arguing that the Government shouldn't be allowed to ban whatever they want - as long as a porn actor is an adult, they should be allowed to do what they want. Whether the ban was on small breasts or actors who look young, my point still stands.
But can we still ban art that involves photos of naked underage girls?
If your laws consider underage girls to be unable to give sexual consent then nude pictures would technically depict illicit acts as the child cannot consent. So they wouldn't be banned so much as illegal by default.

However, that is a red herring as he is discussing women above the age of consent. Full stop. So why bring it up, exactly?

As for the topic at hand, it is troubling that they are basically giving people with a badge the authority to fine you for talking.
 

Professor James

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What about people with coprolalia, will they be fined too. If they won't then how can police know, do people with coprolalia have to carry around a coprolalia slip or license now.

OT: I think this is a bad idea all around for pretty obvious reasons.
 

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I love how people get offended by swearing a sound of all things. I'm not allowed to say fuck anymore? Okay fark, fark you! Look at how easy it is to adapt a new curse word, and what do they do then?

I don't understand how that kind of censorship gets passed. Also where's the source for this?
 

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InfiniteSingularity said:
Personally I think it's a violation of free speech
Dispite what you may have seen on movies, Australia doesn't have a bill of rights or anything like that. So we have no 'freedom of speech' so to speak. We have more of a Privilege of free speech.
 

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There is no reason that a few words should hold so much power over our society; if any absent-minded citizen has to lose a week's groceries due to saying a few words that others might find offensive then why don't we fine for excessive use of the word 'Darn' or 'Dang': same connotation, different word.
Laws exist to protect people from others or themselves, there is no reason for laws to be set in place because of opinion.
 

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Bobbity said:
This act gives police powers to combat anti-social behaviour, such as abusive swearing, pissing in public, and doing a whole bunch of anti-social shit. They're not going to reel you in for a couple of swear words under your breathe, although it's left (intentionally) vague as to whether or not this law would apply to casually swearing in public.
This is on the first page, yet people don't notice? Seriously.

I think it's a good idea. I don't swear, and I don't have a problem with people who do. But what I do have a problem with are the few people who abuse randoms or retail staff. Besides, the police will, and from my experience, generally do show appropriate discretion.

Swear on your own, or around people who are fine with you swearing. But don't force other people who may not want to hear it to put up with it.