Poll: Violent Game Law Goes To Supreme Court
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According to me.Hopeless Bastard said:
Way to go to completely change your argument after being answered. You never said anything about governments prohibiting stuff, you said there was no rational reason not to show children porno. I merely told you some rational reasons, what I say is not the law.Schneizel said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you don't rely on your own imagination and creativity, you copypaste. If it works for you, great, but don't be surprised if using the same techniques you learned from porn over and over again may become dull and boring in 5 years. Everybody's body is different, therefore you need to find out that stuff for yourself.gmaverick019 said:
No, I wasn't talking about crime, I was talking about "disgust". Mostly involving body fluids not meant for sex, but not restricted to. Even so, I don't see why rape, hardcore S/M porno or even snuff vids do not qualify as porn.gmaverick019 said:
This is rather off-topic though, so I won't talk about this any more.
A bit more OT: I don't see why this should be a bad thing. Sure, the state shouldn't be allowed to raise our kids, but this is more a case of "you get it if your parents allow you, we don't want to get dragged into this", if you know what I mean. I think it's okay.
This isn't necessarily such a good idea. Let me paint you a picture:
1)Kid, about.. say, 11, enters a videogame store.
2)Goes up to the store clerk and asks for, let's go with the cliché, GTAsomethingorother.
3)Clerk tells him he can't sell the game to minors, as it's illegal.
4)Kids goes back home pissed off and tells this to father, mother or both.
5)[Insert parent of choice here] goes back to the store with the kid, completely enraged, yelling to the poor clerk that noone is gonna tell his/her kid what games he can or can't play, and demands to be sold a copy of the game.
6)Clerk has to sell the game. This is an adult that's in front of him now, can't say "no".
7)Kid gets game, parents enraged, and poor clerk just had his day turn bitter.
Sure, it's a hypothetical situation. Problem is, I've seen it a few too many times here. And I bet it's not very different over at California. In most cases, the problem are the parents, and if indeed they are the issue, this law won't do much other than enrage them. And honestly, I don't think California needs a bunch of enraged baboons.
1)Kid, about.. say, 11, enters a videogame store.
2)Goes up to the store clerk and asks for, let's go with the cliché, GTAsomethingorother.
3)Clerk tells him he can't sell the game to minors, as it's illegal.
4)Kids goes back home pissed off and tells this to father, mother or both.
5)[Insert parent of choice here] goes back to the store with the kid, completely enraged, yelling to the poor clerk that noone is gonna tell his/her kid what games he can or can't play, and demands to be sold a copy of the game.
6)Clerk has to sell the game. This is an adult that's in front of him now, can't say "no".
7)Kid gets game, parents enraged, and poor clerk just had his day turn bitter.
Sure, it's a hypothetical situation. Problem is, I've seen it a few too many times here. And I bet it's not very different over at California. In most cases, the problem are the parents, and if indeed they are the issue, this law won't do much other than enrage them. And honestly, I don't think California needs a bunch of enraged baboons.
You know what? If the kid really wants it, they're gonna get it one way or another. And if their parents don't want them playing it, they'll probably see them playing it and take it away from them. Fining people is just going to be one more complication.
I think it does, From what I know it was always the employee who was the one responsible and would therefore get the fine, Well that was the case with me when I worked at HMV, you would get a criminal record and £1,000 fine, Now it seems action can be taken agaisnt the store itself which makes a difference.Pielikey said:
Uh.. you show me a kid whose brain is fully developed before they're 18-20, and I'll agree with you.Schneizel said:
The way I look at it is this Personally I think it would be bad for people to get fined by mistakes like fake id's. A more practical solution would be to enforce that they id everyone who looks under 45 just like they do with alcohol and cigarettes. But at the end of the day if a child wants an M rated game they will find a way to get it either get the dumb ass parents to do it for they cause there spoiled lil turds or they just pay a homeless man or get an older friend to get it for them. Punishing the retailers for the stupidity and juvenile behavior of others is bull.
If the comics code comes into play in the video game industry I will march on the bloody white house with all my nerd and gaming friends and break down the door to the supreme court using a "cyber blastie bollocks cannon Quote from Yahtzee. Freedom of speech and expression I'm a hardcore gamer and if they get there way our gaming choices are going to be limited to Barbies horse adventures and Babys first vagina adventure part one the pussificatioin sage.
It's a good idea, if it stops kids from being able to buy M rated games then I'm for it, kids shouldn't be allowed to play awesome games. Of course then again, they can always ask their parents or older siblings to get the game for them.
ok, I am going to break down your post and tackle it one point at a time.
I didn't say this will stop kids from playing and getting these games. I said this will actually get the parents more involved in buying the games so they know what they are buying. I know on more than one occasion a parent was shocked to learn how violent a game was after her son bought it. I really don't see the point of you telling me this story.Hopeless Bastard said:
Activists really don't have any water after this though. Comic books are actually aimed at kids and there really wasn't a difference between the ones that were and weren't. I can understand where those regulations are coming from.Hopeless Bastard said:
Video games takes the same route as movies and music from here. They get a warning on the cover, people sort of enforce that, and people ignore the activists. It is up to the parents at this point. Activists really have to face the facts that they have no ground after this and it is the parent's fault for buying the video games and not dealing with the consequences. After this it is bad parenting, not violent video games that are to blame.Hopeless Bastard said:
I am actually all for this. In the most heated rants with my friends about dealing with age ratings, and such it is about damn time the damn government stepped in. They gave a chance to see if any parental interventions would increase, but no. So its the governmental intervention and I have to say way to go congress.
Yeah, it's a bunch of bullshit.Biosophilogical said:
What pisses me off even more is that I can't get a job working in videogames until I'm 17 due to the stupid laws here.