Poll: W40K Uber-Showdown

[JakubK666]

Which one of Seven Uber-Units in Warhammer40K: Dark Crusade would you expect to win in a showdown against other six?

For those of you who haven't played the game, here's a quick guide (I'm not sure how to get tags working so I'll just post the links. If you know how to,feel free to tell me)

Candidate No.1 - Space Marine Land Raider - A Powerful Heavy Tank

http://www.jvrpg.com/image_test/image221.jpg

Candidate No.2 - Chaos Marine Bloodthirster - er...A Greater Demon perhaps?

http://www40.atwiki.jp/dawnofwar/?cmd=upload&act=open&page=BloodThirster&file=Bloodthirster2.jpg

Candidate No.3 - Eldar Avatar - An Ancient God Of War

http://warhammer.gry-online.pl/tapety/wp-8.jpg

Candidate No.4 - Ork Squiggoth - God I love that beast!

http://dawn.of.war.free.fr/dawn-of-war/photos/029.jpg

Candidate No.5 - Imperial Guard Baneblade - Pretty much a heavy super tank

http://www.druidika.de/images/dowwaunitlist/big/baneblade.jpg

Candidate No.6 - Tau Greater Knarloc - Jurassic Park meets Warhammer40k

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-48309-1168760197.jpg

Candidate No.7 - Necron Monolith - A Deadly...black thing; that looks...cool

http://uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/miniature-gallery/images/monolith.jpg

Remember that it's a clean 1-on-1 fight with no infantry or any kind of support.Just to make it more fair; Baneblade,Squigg and Raider are not allowed to carry any units and Monolith cannot spawn Necron Warriors.Buffs and Abilities are okay.

I would stick to Bloodthirster. It has decent health and great damage and the only unit that counters him is the Avatar.

PS: Sorry Squiggly, truth hurts.

 

[PurpleRain]

I'll have to say the demon. The avatar is only an avatar of the actual god, thus its name not the god itself. Otherwise that would have kicked 20 kinds of arse!

 

[Gigantor]

Baneblade. It's all about the fuck-off huge guns in the far future!

 

[Blayze]

Single combat, eh? To be honest, it all comes down to "Who's got the biggest gun?" and "Who's got the most guns?", in which case it's down to the Monolith versus the Baneblade. From past experience, either would stand a good chance against the other, although the Lith can teleport itself behind the Baneblade to (Hopefully) give itself a slight advantage.

 

[Possum-Man]

In proper 40k it would be the Baneblade. In Dark Crusade I'm betting either the Avatar or Bloodthirster.

P.M.

 

[irishdelinquent]

In a one-on-one combat situation, I'd definately go with the Bloodthirster. The Land Raider has good armor, but it's guns are a little lacking in the damage department compared to others. The Squiggoth and the Baneblade are both designed for dealing with large groups of smaller infantry. The Monolith has a lot of power and health, but relies primarily on it's ability to spawn warriors while attacking. The Greater Knarloc, in my view, is kinda outclassed by the others...it's special ability is one-hit killing smaller infantry, which isn't very useful against monsters. The Avatar is a good opponent for the Bloodthirster, but can't match his strength. The Avatar relies on a swarm of Eldar to back him up (after all, the Avatar's special ability is increasing the eldar player's population cap to 30). So in a straight, on-on-one, no-interferance deathmatch, I'd bet on the Bloodthirster.

 

[Fire Daemon]

hey irishdelinquent is that captain shriek as your avatar. I have to say the bloodthirster but he would be destroyed out right by a Grey Knight Grand Master. A Grand Master is whithout a doubt the best Space Marine Character.

 

[Kikosemmek]

I voted monolith even though it's against my own opinion.

In Dark Crusade, the proven champion in 1v1 superunit bouts is the Bloodthirster, granted he's not lost a crapload of health while getting to the fight.

The reason I voted Monolith is that 1) I think it's by far the most intimidating (the pic does it no justice, as it's a floating, laser-shooting, Necron-spawning, nigh-invincible pyramid) and I assumed that I'd be able to spawn warriors. Here's a Monolith from the Dark Crusade opening video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKWc0XCeziA

The 'lith is not a 1v1 unit, it's more crowd control and super reinforcements delivery oriented, and for its price I damned better be able to create Necrons in the battle. Any melee unit on that roster will get tied up with Flayed Ones while the 'lith blasts'em to all hell.

 

[PurpleRain]

hey irishdelinquent is that captain shriek as your avatar. I have to say the bloodthirster but he would be destroyed out right by a Grey Knight Grand Master. A Grand Master is whithout a doubt the best Space Marine Character.

God if you love them so much then why don't you marry them?

EDIT

Just kidding. I'm waiting for them to make the Tyrinids then I'll vote for Old One Eye.

 

[dan_the_manatee]

Bloodthirster would probably win 1v1 in DoW. Avatar would be second. Both those units are clearly desigend for taking out elite, small units, rather than wholesale infantry destruction (Squiggoth, Monolith, Gnarloc). Banebalde excels at destroying structures though - fantastic for wiping out Ork bases and all those annoying Waaagh banners.
The Land Raider is pretty good at taking down other vehicles, thanks to all those lascannons, but it's not as sturdy as the other units in there - its reallt a troop transport though.
I doubt the Bloodthirster would fair as well on tabletop though. The ranged untis could make mincemeat out of it, as (well, in 2nd ed, which is the one I always used) it had a modifiable armour save. Big guns kill it better than any psykers or Grey Knights. Avatar would fare better on the old rules, as it had a limited modifier on the armour - didn't really matter what you hit it with. Plus, it's got a body of iron and lava for blood, which is much, much cooler (hotter?) than having a face like a dog and sulphurous BO.

 

[Haliwali]

Don't know much about 40k, but in classic the Bloodthirster is rape on a stick.

 

[dan_the_manatee]

Don't know much about 40k, but in classic the Bloodthirster is rape on a stick.

There's lots of big guns that break all manner of sticks in 40K. The bloodthirster is still powerful, but it's not unbeatable.

 

[Sinharvest]

In the new chaos codex bloodthirster has nice unmodified saves and i believe if he reached any type of tank he could destroy it. Same for the avatar. I think a bloodthirster would beat an avatar in 1vs1 combat though. Another thing a bloodthirster has going for it is it can be summoned. Its funny to see the enemies face once you've summoned a bloodthirster right in the middle of their army.

In 2nd edition bloodthirster stats use to be insane(but so did everyone else stats). Alas they nerfed him.

Now id like to know peoples opinions on the best melee unit in the game.

My vote goes for a full unit of bloodangels honor gaurd with jumpacks and power weapons.
Or either my darkeldar HQ unit with lord + incubus. A juiced dark eldar lord can hold his own vs. a bloodthirster.

 

[Apone]

Vortex Grenade...

Just saying lol.

Think the bloodthirster takes it in 1v1. But its close. I can't say for the PC games as I only play tabletop.
If you put them all on the table at once though, Baneblade. It's gunna sit there and shoot almost everything at once lol. Or prioritise targets and nail them in a turn. *looks over at Baneblade model with a grin

 

[[HD]Rob Inglis]

Used to play, Monolith dies fast, cause scary and easy to hit target. Bloodthirster good, but demons are usually targeted first. Landraider good, but tanks die fast. Avatar, maybe. Squiggoth has many structure points or whatever like the Baneblade, both have chance.

 

[Daz]

Land raider is the worst due to its weaker waeponary and only 1 bloody squad slot for transport!
I think bloodthirster is best due to the fact that if you stic khim in combat he can't go wrong if bakced up and can fly well.
The monolith is jsut too damn slow inless its made close ot the battle it can take a bloody long time even with its teleport to get to battle.

 

[dan_the_manatee]

The irony in all this is that in REAL 40K the winner would be totally different than what Dawn of War's winner would be. Land Raiders, Blood Thirsters, and Avatars don't even compare to the rest, and Knarlocks are the weakest of the bunch. Baneblades and Squigoths are both Epic units, not 40K. Odds are it's one of them.

The Citadel Journal had Baneblade (unofficial) rules back in 2nd Ed; the new Apocalypse ruleset for 4th ed allows the use of baneblades and equivalent superheavy tanks (even titans I think). The whole tabletop bloodthirster vs baneblade depends on range. an early summoning and a big battlefield will lead to a big smoking crater and no bloodthirster; summon at the right time then it's an even bigger smoking crater with no baneblade and a slightly smoking 'thirster.

 

[irishdelinquent]

hey irishdelinquent is that captain shriek as your avatar. I have to say the bloodthirster but he would be destroyed out right by a Grey Knight Grand Master. A Grand Master is whithout a doubt the best Space Marine Character.

Yes, yes it is Captain Shrike. And if he were in Dawn of War, he'd give your Grand Master a run for his money. hehehehehe can you say master-crafted rending lightning claws? Oh so awesome