Poll: Was I the ONLY one who actually liked Dragon Age II?

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P.Tsunami

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As far as I'm concerned, you're the only one who liked it. There are things I enjoyed about it, things I can accept as a necessary result of a very short production cycle, and things I absolutely did not like. Mind you, for a given game or RPG, I found it okay-ish. For being the sequel to Origins, which I loved, it was a massive disappointment.

I think the whole aesthetic style of the game is far too glossy; the game just looks and feels wrong to me. It looks more like God of War or that last Castlevania game, which makes everyone look kind of like pretty, polished Barbie dolls. The graphics aren't bad, not at all, they've just taken the visual design somewhere I didn't think fit the general tone that Origins set.

Combat, while more involving and interesting than Origins, also seems made for an entirely different genre of game. I hate to milk God of War comparisons too much, but again, it reminded me of a God of War games. Now GoW was a good game. It wasn't what I hoped for in DA2. Frankly, I'm not playing that kind of game for involving combat, and the fact that I had to suddenly start mashing buttons was more of a chore than fun to me. At least Origins was "Click. Done", not much work about it. It's not necessarily a bad thing (heck, I understand why some people insist it makes it a better game), but I did not like it.

The characters, with a few notable exceptions, are either dull as dishwater (Sebastian) or really annoying me (Isabella). I had to stretch to find any character I honestly liked (thankfully, there's Varric), and that's a fault in a story-driven RPG. The story itself is alright, but nothing BioWare should proudly show off; they've made games with far better stories. Dialogue was at times atrocious; that one reached the boiling point when I had Isabella paraphrase Sir-Mix-A-Lot to me. In a fantasy RPG. There's breaking the fourth wall, and there's this. You're not being clever, you're just irritating me.

The lack of variety in level design, side quests (find thing; find dude to give you gold for thing) and encounter design can easily be accredited to the team being seriously rushed. It doesn't help the game, though. While playing the game, I went "Haven't I been here before" about once every ten minutes. It got almost creepy.

I didn't much like the dialogue wheel imported from Mass Effect, either, but that's simply my personal taste. I kind of liked it in Mass Effect (although it suffers from the problem of not having any clue what you're actually going to say until they blurt it out, a problem rather nasty in fresh title L.A. Noire), but I don't think it suits a traditional fantasy RPG (and discussions of Deconstructive traits in Dragon Age aside, it's a rather traditional fantasy RPG).

I have a bunch of other grievances against the game, too (why change a workable user interface when they have limited time to make the game?), but I think that'll do for now. All things considered, I was deeply disappointed. Whereas I've been replaying Origins tons already, I doubt I will be revisiting the sequel. I plain just didn't have any fun. With all that said, though, most of what I'm griping about is pretty much up to your personal tastes.
 

The Electro Gypsy

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Personally I found that the entire Dragon Age series was a bit naff, but I just don't enjoy Bioware games, they all feel a bit weird to play and I get bored of them
 

MrA

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Probably not but you're definitely in the minority.

I absolutely hated DA:2 it was the biggest let down of all time and probably in my top 5 worst games of all time.
 

Sir Bob

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Didn't like it that much, the laziness of everyone save for the storywriters annoyed me to no end. Everything about the game felt like it was made purely to milk the franchise, rather than to produce something that they could be proud of.
 

Skiisk

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You probably weren't. And you know what, I think that's freakin' sad.

DA: O was a decent game. Great by today's ridiculously low standards. It had it's fair share of problems and it wasn't original in the slightest, but with some modding it became enjoyable enough for me to finish it five times and spend over 200 hours with it (+ what I spent with Awakened). Not a top 5 of all time game for me, but possibly top 10.

Now, DA: O sold well. But apparently 'well' is not enough for BioWare. So, with the supposed sequel, they aimed for the big bucks: The bored and lonely housewives AND the CoD demographic.

So what did they change in order to appeal for the aforementioned audience? Simply put, they dumbed it down. All the way down. They cut all the possible corners off, added a bit more Bold & The Beautiful -esque drama and ran the final product through a genericzicer. A machine built to turn games into soulless brown and grey interactive novels, with the somewhat strategic and actually skill-requiring gameplay (more or less) of DA:O being turned into a 'cinematic gameplay experience' (a term popularized by the newer CoD games). Basically it means "Press 'Button X' to receive an explosion, 'Button Y' for a lens flare and 'Button Z' to win". Hell, they all but admitted this several times in all the pre-release interviews.

And if that wasn't enough, the art direction (a different thing from graphics, that are something I personally don't care about) was horrendous and bland. And then there are all the other things that have been mentioned a million and one times already that I won't go into.

A sequel is supposed to take the base the prequel set up, and build on top of it. What DA2 did was copy parts of the original base, pile them up on thin early spring ice and throw some christmas decorations on top of it all in a desperate attempt to make the pile of rubble look appealing. And whoop-deh-doo, DA2 sold LESS than DA:O. Whoops, I bet you feel silly now BioWare. It wasn't dumbed down enough to appeal to all the housewives, and just plain not good enough to appeal to all the actual gamers.

Now, if you liked DA2 that's fine. To each their own. But what really pisses me off is the way BioWare completely ignored what fans of the original wanted (a new story, new characters, a new world, and new stuff to discover. And more of everything of course), and instead they gave us a Dragon Mass Age of Effect 1.5: FarmVille Edition, with extra Day 1 DLC up the a**. If they had called it something -- ANYTHING -- else it would've been fine. But they announced that it was going to be a sequel. Which it obviously was not. It was a different game, one that looked a bit similar, but a different game nonetheless. And now we'll probably never get a proper sequel.

I'd like to end this long rant with my top 3 favorite BioWare developer quotes regarding Dragon Age 2 (not necessarily word for word, but I'll try to keep the point intact).

3) "When I press a button, I want something cool to happen." -Unknown person from BioWare (ADHD much?)
2) "Playing the games." -Jennifer Hepler, when asked what her least favorite thing was about working in the freakin' VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY.
1) "A fast-forward button. Games almost always include a way to "button through" dialogue without paying attention, because they understand that some players don't enjoy listening to dialogue and they don't want to stop their fun. Yet they persist in practically coming into your living room and forcing you to play through the combats even if you're a player who only enjoys the dialogue." - Jennifer Hepler, when asked what she would like to implement to VIDEO GAMES (yes, Jennifer, skipping GAMEPLAY in VIDEO GAMES sounds like a great idea. Maybe, you know, books or movies would be more up your alley?).

There were a whole bunch more, some hilarious to a dangerous degree, but I can't find them right now. Hilarious stuff nonetheless.
 

JordanXlord

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ms_sunlight said:
I really liked Dragon Age 2 as well. It had its faults but I liked the storytelling, I liked the framed narrative and I enjoyed the interactions with companions. Not a perfect game, no, but then Origins had serious faults too.

A lot of people have complained that they didn't find the story sufficiently epic, but I liked that - too many games (including BioWare games) have that supposedly epic Gather Your Forces And Defeat The Big Bad plot. I enjoyed the change of pace I genuinely found the decisions you have to make towards the end of the game compelling.

This
 

ScrubberDucky

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Not at all. I really only liked it because I'm a fan, both of Bioware and the series, but I still don't regret the purchase. It was much weaker than the first, but I got two good playthroughs out of it and that was a lot more than most games can say.
 

RandV80

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Yeah I don't think it's so much the game itself that got people against it, but rather that it's supposed to be the sequel of Dragon Age: Origins.

Now with DA:O, Bioware was basically throwing an old dog a fresh bone. This was supposed to be the spiritual successor to deeper and more complex CRPG's of 10 years ago like Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Planescape Torment, etc. The game was something like 5 years in development and Bioware took a big chance targeting this market. Now it wasn't Call of Duty successful but it certainly paid off, all the old dogs happy for some attention went out and bought it.

Now Dragon Age 2 on the other hand, Bioware basically took the old dogs only bone away and gave it tossed it to the puppy who already had a pile. DA2 falls in line with the other more streamlined less complex CRPG's of the day like Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fable, etc. Also didn't help that it was rushed out the door in 2 years, and you could totally see EA's hand behind it. They already have Mass Effect for the quicker more cinematic and streamlined RPG's, why couldn't they have kept to the spirit of DA:O by keeping the sequel a tribute to the more complex older games? Especially considering DA2 didn't sell as well.

And if you can't understand that, well sorry but then I hope all big budget triple A titles become unprofitable and taken over by casual arm waiving Wii games and cheap time sink social games like Farmville.
 

Krantos

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Bad game? No.
Failed to live up to the original or potential? Yes.
Didn't have enough production time? Hell yes.

Now, I played the demo on the 360 and was so underwhelmed that I stopped even considering buying it. It just felt bad. Just today, however, I tried it on PC and it felt and played much better. Ironic, imo. I'll probably pick it up eventually, but I spent so much money on the steam sale, I better tone it down for a while.
 

Derlwyn

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I am about 1/2 way (I think) through the 2nd act and I really can't be bothered to continue playing. I don't really feel compelled to play at all, and I am a fan of RPG's.

The combat is all button-mashy, with the occasional pause to down my never ending supply of health potions. I am not drawn into the story at all and I don't feel any connection to my companions. I really have no idea where I'm going, which isn't always a bad thing in games, but I don't feel like my character really has any reason to keep moving forward. I mean hey, I have a mansion, and am wealthy and noteworthy in the city; why am I continuing on again?

I suppose I'll toss it back into my 360 once I'm finished reading A Dance with Dragons, but having torn my way through Assassins Creed 1 and 2 within the last 2 weeks I really don't think I will be enjoying DA2 nearly as much as I thought I would.
 

babinro

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I actually think it was deserving of the high review scores it received. Good characters and story...but they don't stack up to the original. The game looks great though and is simply far more fun to play with a much improved combat system that remains challenging and rewarding.

I look at this game like I do the KOTOR series. I want to play Kotor 2...but I want to experience the characters and story that is Kotor.
 

Darth Sea Bass

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I don't hate the game i just found it disapointing for a bioware game.

The thing that really pissed me off was the resuse of scenery that shit is pure fucking amateur hour that you'd excuse from some lesser studios but from a studio like bioware is inexcusable.
 

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I think all the DA2 hate was WAY over the top, but I have to admit, I only got all the way through one playthrough. Plot, mostly. The character writing (with the exception of Renfaire Pyrate Queen) was top notch, but the whole game was so episodic that it became difficult to care. DA:O, on the other hand, still was a kick to play when I did a runthrough just before the DA2 release. And I'd done a run through for each class/race.

Basically, DA2 wasn't a great game, but it wasn't terrible, either. But following on the heels of DA:O, it just suffers in comparison.
 

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elcamino41383 said:
Short answer: No you aren't.

Longer answer: I enjoyed it. Wasn't quite as in depth as Origins, but I liked the combat a lot more, much like you.
Agreed on all points. The combat was much more engaging than DA:O, and to be honest, the combat in the first one is what is constantly preventing me from finishing it (though the game is also quite long, yet has so few levels (character levels I mean) so you start of getting new abilities fairly regularly and then ... nothing for ages, and it becomes a great deal of work to get that one extra ability, or that one extra point in strength, which in such a tactical battle system is a let down, because a key component of tactical battles is the ability to be tactical (i.e. adaptable to any scneario), for which you need options, for which you need abilities, for which you need levels, which it seems reluctant to give you).
 

ReaperGrimm

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Nope I liked it better than the first one. Just wish we had an over all bad guy and other places besides Kurtwall
 

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Crazedc00k said:
ServebotFrank said:
You're not the only one of course. However a lot of people on this site are elitist PC assholes. I like Mass Effect 2 but the amount of hate that game gets on this site (OUT OF NOWHERE) is astounding. No one complained about this game when it came out but suddenly it's cool to hate it.
"Elitist PC assholes" means that because we are aware of the fact that we prefer our platform, we're jerks for demanding a higher standard. Seriously, grow up. If you play on the Xbox, then obviously you want its games and community to be given attention and respect.

PS. Mass effect 2 got hate because on PC, the ME one port didn't have the octogenarian graphics engine problems it did on the 360, for which reason many players enjoyed the first one more.
Actually I play on all systems so I wouldn't say that applies. Also there's a difference between preferring a system and just being a total dick. I've seen numerous people who claim to be PC fanatics on this site who just bash the hell out of everything else. Also are you telling me that the reason people enjoy Mass Effect 1 on the PC is because of the graphics? What the hell does that mean? You say, "For which reason many players enjoyed the first one more." You didn't say, "For many reasons," so you prefer games with graphics? Because that's what it looks like.

Sorry but being an asshole ("Seriously, grow up" For what?) doesn't improve the PC's community. Hell I'd go as far as saying that the PC has definitely got the worst fanbase I've ever seen. When I said "PC Elitist assholes," that does not mean you prefer systems that just means you're an asshole.