Poll: Weed - Legal or Illegal?

[Bobbity]

Marijuana can trigger Schizophrenia, and once you have that, your life is pretty much over. I say keep it illegal.

Certain psychotropics can trigger a person's latent Schizophrenia, meaning that it would have been triggered by something or other sooner or later. That weed should be illegal because people with a family-history of psychoses can't be bothered to think twice is an extremely weak argument.

Fair enough, but I actually know someone like this, and it's pretty fucking horrible.
ANYWAY, you would be for it, I take it? Why?

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

I see no reason for weed to be illegal while things like alcohol and salvia(legal hallucinogen. look it up, not sure about the spelling though) continue to be legal.

I mean, even you think weed is ruining our youth or whatever, if it was legal it could be regulated.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Look at my name and try to guess what I would say.

 

[Naheal]

Legalize and tax it.

 

[Choppaduel]

Marijuana can trigger Schizophrenia, and once you have that, your life is pretty much over. I say keep it illegal.

Certain psychotropics can trigger a person's latent Schizophrenia, meaning that it would have been triggered by something or other sooner or later. That weed should be illegal because people with a family-history of psychoses can't be bothered to think twice is an extremely weak argument.

Fair enough, but I actually know someone like this, and it's pretty fucking horrible.
ANYWAY, you would be for it, I take it? Why?

I too, know someone who had a psychotic episode, lasted a month, after taking drugs, though which drugs she took were never revealed to me. Its important to note though that she recovered her personality & functionality.

I suggest that warnings be put on products, if it really is the case that canabis can do that. It doesn't do it to a great majority, and this reason by itself is not enough to make it illegal. Alcoholics are sometimes very violent, but thats not enough to outlaw alcohol.

 

[ilspooner]

I'm completely neutral about the issue seeing as I will never smoke anything.

One hundred percent agreed, my good man.

 

[Lucifron]

Marijuana can trigger Schizophrenia, and once you have that, your life is pretty much over. I say keep it illegal.

Certain psychotropics can trigger a person's latent Schizophrenia, meaning that it would have been triggered by something or other sooner or later. That weed should be illegal because people with a family-history of psychoses can't be bothered to think twice is an extremely weak argument.

Fair enough, but I actually know someone like this, and it's pretty fucking horrible.
ANYWAY, you would be for it, I take it? Why?

I don't doubt for a second that it's very fucking horrible, and a crying shame for everyone involved.

To answer your question, I can spew an endless stream of arguments about this, but in the end it boils down to this: I believe that a person's rights end where another's begins, ergo, that every individual's right to his or her own body is absolute.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Good for your statement. I still don't want more stoners driving. Legalizing weed would, more than likely, affect the number of stoned drivers in a way I wouldn't like.

That's my vote, that's my opinion. You aren't doing a good job changing that. Good day.

Yep, you're correct. That's why the Netherlands has become such an arid wasteland after tolerating marijuana use. I mean, in the short 2 weeks I was there I was hit by 20 drivers, all stoned. You know those studies that ended up concluding that marijuana use was actually declining? Well they were wrong. EVERYONE was stoned and EVERYONE was driving stoned. EVEN the police was stoned. Imagine that.

 

[Choppaduel]

I vote keep it illegal. I don't want more 'stoners' driving.

Stoners drive anyways. Prohibition doesn't work.

Were there more drunk drivers when prohibition of alcohol was going on or when it was just illegal to drive drunk?

Your reasoning is fallacious. If you don't want stoned drivers, you make it illegal to drive stoned, not make it illegal to be stoned.

So you're saying legalizing weed wouldn't cause more people to smoke it, and in turn the numbers of those who smoke it and drive wouldn't increase as well?

I'm saying its inconsistent to expect someone who's already broken one law to obey another, similar one. possessing drug & driving impaired.

Good for your statement. I still don't want more stoners driving. Legalizing weed would, more than likely, affect the number of stoned drivers in a way I wouldn't like.

That's my vote, that's my opinion. You aren't doing a good job changing that. Good day.

OK fine, you believe, irrationally, that a law keep people from using it would be more effective at keeping people from driving while using it than a direct law. You have no evidence to the contrary, you aren't even willing to think about it...

Have fun in your palace of ignorance.

 

[Vykrel]

i dont smoke weed, but it really should be legal, with the typical rules that would come with it.

it should always be illegal to drive while high, or operate heavy machinery at work, etc. and the legal age for it should be 18, imo.

i mean cmon, alcohol is legal, and it destroys your liver and gets thousands of people killed each year in a variety of different ways. that shit doesnt happen very often because of marijuana. also, itd be nice to have less people in prison, and weed is the reason a lot of people are there. i find it stupid that taxpayers have to pay to feed these guys in prison when they didnt even do anything that bad.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

The problem with the "but alcohol/salvia/etc. isn't illegal!" arguments is that you can counter them with "but those shouldn't be legal either".

Better arguments:
There isn't any decent evidence of long-term harm.
People should have control over and freedom with their own bodies.
Crime rates go down (take a look at the number and size of the many police organisations advocating legalisation).
It's taxable.
It frees up law enforcement to deal with more serious issues.
It saves the government (and, by connection, the public) a huge amount of money on the ludicrous number of people currently in prison solely for possession of cannabis.
People wouldn't need to interact (directly or indirectly) with organized crime to obtain it.
It has medical and psychiatric utility.

Other opposing arguments that aren't good:
The schizophrenia claim is extremely tenuous and not particularly well supported.
The cancer claim is completely unsupported.
The issue with driving is relatively inconsequential given that numerous studies show that driving stoned is typically less dangerous than driving while on the phone (including using it handless) or even driving while eating.

A point that's stupid for either side to argue about:
The main point of cannabis is to get high. Medical usage and such is a nice fringe benefit. I will never understand all of the pro-legalisation people who argue about the medical benefits and try to downplay this. The primary point is that smoking it is fun. Name pretty much any activity, and it's probably more fun while you're stoned (rhetorical, not an invitation for you to find exceptions). The anti-legalisation people are just as bad though - you rattle off all the reasons it's not harmful and they counter with "yeah, but what good does it do to let the general public use it legally?", demanding that we justify why something should be legal (in more reasonable legal areas you have to justify illegality, not legality). Shall we outlaw roller coasters too?

 

[Sajuuk-khar]

Kept illegal? But it's legally sold, just not completely legal to own. (Not everyone is American eh.)

Either way I'm not voting. While I'm not against people just having one in free time, when they know what they're doing and keeping in mind their responsibilities; there are quite some people who cant handle it (using while driving, at work or doing strange stuff at night). Besides it's unhealthy and gets people addicted, but ofcourse the same can be said about tabacco and alcohol.

 

[Freechoice]

This is the only kind of weed I see.

Illegalize this son of a *****!

 

[Choppaduel]

The problem with the "but alcohol/salvia/etc. isn't illegal!" arguments is that you can counter them with "but those shouldn't be legal either".

Better arguments:
There isn't any decent evidence of long-term harm.
People should have the freedom to alter the .
Crime rates go down (take a look at the number and size of the many police organisations advocating legalisation).
It's taxable.
It frees up law enforcement to deal with more serious issues.
It saves the government (and, by connection, the public) a huge amount of money on the ludicrous number of people currently in prison solely for possession of cannabis.
People wouldn't need to interact (directly or indirectly) with organized crime to obtain it.
It has medical and psychiatric utility.

Other opposing arguments that aren't good:
The schizophrenia claim is extremely tenuous and not particularly well supported.
The cancer claim is completely unsupported.
The issue with driving is relatively inconsequential given that numerous studies show that driving stoned is typically less dangerous than driving while on the phone (including using it handless) or even driving while eating.

A point that's stupid for either side to argue about:
The main point of cannabis is to get high. Medical usage and such is a nice fringe benefit. I will never understand all of the pro-legalisation people who argue about the medical benefits and try to downplay this. The primary point is that smoking it is fun. Name pretty much any activity, and it's probably more fun while you're stoned (rhetorical, not an invitation for you to find exceptions). The anti-legalisation people are just as bad though - you rattle off all the reasons it's not harmful and they counter with "yeah, but what good does it do to let the general public use it legally?" as though we should outlaw roller coasters while we're at it.

Hi, can you take over my argument with Sober Thai (see above) I'm going to bed.

Also... well put!

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

The problem with the "but alcohol/salvia/etc. isn't illegal!" arguments is that you can counter them with "but those shouldn't be legal either".

Better arguments:
There isn't any decent evidence of long-term harm.
People should have the freedom to alter the .
Crime rates go down (take a look at the number and size of the many police organisations advocating legalisation).
It's taxable.
It frees up law enforcement to deal with more serious issues.
It saves the government (and, by connection, the public) a huge amount of money on the ludicrous number of people currently in prison solely for possession of cannabis.
People wouldn't need to interact (directly or indirectly) with organized crime to obtain it.
It has medical and psychiatric utility.

Other opposing arguments that aren't good:
The schizophrenia claim is extremely tenuous and not particularly well supported.
The cancer claim is completely unsupported.
The issue with driving is relatively inconsequential given that numerous studies show that driving stoned is typically less dangerous than driving while on the phone (including using it handless) or even driving while eating.

A point that's stupid for either side to argue about:
The main point of cannabis is to get high. Medical usage and such is a nice fringe benefit. I will never understand all of the pro-legalisation people who argue about the medical benefits and try to downplay this. The primary point is that smoking it is fun. Name pretty much any activity, and it's probably more fun while you're stoned (rhetorical, not an invitation for you to find exceptions). The anti-legalisation people are just as bad though - you rattle off all the reasons it's not harmful and they counter with "yeah, but what good does it do to let the general public use it legally?" as though we should outlaw roller coasters while we're at it.

Hi, can you take over my argument with Sober Thai (see above) I'm going to bed.

Given that it's either this or start running statistics on several thousand reading times...

I accept your challenge.

 

[Bobbity]

Marijuana can trigger Schizophrenia, and once you have that, your life is pretty much over. I say keep it illegal.

Certain psychotropics can trigger a person's latent Schizophrenia, meaning that it would have been triggered by something or other sooner or later. That weed should be illegal because people with a family-history of psychoses can't be bothered to think twice is an extremely weak argument.

Fair enough, but I actually know someone like this, and it's pretty fucking horrible.
ANYWAY, you would be for it, I take it? Why?

I don't doubt for a second that it's very fucking horrible, and a crying shame for everyone involved.

To answer your question, I can spew an endless stream of arguments about this, but in the end it boils down to this: I believe that a person's rights end where another's begins, ergo, that every individual's right to his or her own body is absolute.

Damn, he brought forth a philosophical argument >_>
I completely agree with you on that, but I believe that once you start taking drugs, it begins to affect the people around you as well. That, for me, is the crux of the matter.

 

[A Free Man]

I am kind of sick of people complaining about the illegality of marijuana. Lets be honest, when you think about it, it isn't even really illegal. It is similar to laws like piracy. Sure downloading copies of movies and games is illegal. But if you do it no one really cares or tries to stop you with any more effort then "eh lets do an add campaign to keep the industry happy".

However as soon as it gets on to large scale stuff like people who sell illgel copies by the hundreds or thousands then the law might step in. It is exactly the same with weed and some other drugs. No one really cares if a few friends smoke some drugs for the sake of a good time. It isn't until people start dealing drugs that no one knows what has been included in the mix or due to being so high on drugs people go out and put other people's lives in danger.

Hell I bet you right now you could grow a single hemp plant to maturity cut it cook it and share it with a few friends and not a single person would care apart from perhaps a few disdainful looks from family and friends. So really unless you are looking for a profit there is no need to complain. That being said the law needs to keep up appearences so if they find you with a stash sure your going to get taken somewhere but they are not going to go out of their way to look for people.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

You make it sound like a shit place to live. I think you're telling lies tho.

You also are doing a poor job changing my vote. Don't go into a life of politics.

I never want to get into politics. They're bullshit coated shit with shit gravy.


What you said is that if weed is legal more people will smoke it and therefore we'll have more stoned drivers. At the same time, the Netherlands, a country in which weed use is extremely tolerated, so much so that one might say it's legal, we see a decline in weed use which directly contradicts your claim.

Have you ever actually seen a stoned driver though? I sure as hell haven't, not in my country(there are a shitload of stoners here) or the Netherlands.