Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

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Rodrigo Girao

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
I'm just saying that mindset could go to more worthy causes, champ.
It's one thing to choose relevant causes over irrelevant causes. But it's something else to give no attention to any but the absolute gravest ones. For example, guy asks to borrow a buck to pay his bus fare, and you'd reply: "Your problem is not serious enough for me to care, there are children starving to death in Africa!" I mean, seriously?
 

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
I'm just saying that mindset could go to more worthy causes, champ.
More worthy than the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe, aka. sex? I think not.

Circumcision is assbackwards from a scientific viewpoint.

Science works like this: First you form a hypothesis, then you prove it, then you try to disprove it until it can only be proven, then you do it.

Pseudo-science works like this: First you do it, then you prove it with a biased view and ignore any criticism until you feel it's proven without any actual scientific process.

Circumcision would never be socially or scientifically permitted if someone attempted to invent the procedure in modern times.
 

ReinWeisserRitter

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Rodrigo Girao said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
I'm just saying that mindset could go to more worthy causes, champ.
It's one thing to choose relevant causes over irrelevant causes. But it's something else to give no attention to any but the absolute gravest ones. For example, guy asks to borrow a buck to pay his bus fare, and you'd reply: "Your problem is not serious enough for me to care, there are children starving to death in Africa!" I mean, seriously?
Yeah, but you didn't even refute my statement that I've never once met a person that's had a problem on this subject (and you might be surprised how many people are willing to tell me about their equipment, and that's just without my asking), so it can't be that big of a deal, if it's even a deal at all. Certainly not as big a deal as poverty (of any scale), besides.

Sewora said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
I'm just saying that mindset could go to more worthy causes, champ.
More worthy than the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe, aka. sex? I think not.
I pray you're being facetious for comedic effect.
 

Rodrigo Girao

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
Yeah, but you didn't even refute my statement that I've never once met a person that's had a problem on this subject (and you might be surprised how many people are willing to tell me about their equipment, and that's just without my asking), so it can't be that big of a deal, if it's even a deal at all. Certainly not as big a deal as poverty (of any scale), besides.
Well, I DO have problems on this regard, and know that many more also do. Of course it won't be "that big of a deal" when you actively dismiss those who state that it is.
 

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
I pray you're being facetious for comedic effect.
Human rights. Look it up. If you don't like it, I can come chop off parts of your body and see how you like not having a say in what bodyparts you are allowed to have and not.
I can probably come up with a thousand good reasons as to why you shouldn't have said bodyparts, and back it up with scientific research.

Won't make it right, but it's the identical process as circumcision so it should be fine, right?
If you argue against that, you argue against circumcision. I've made an analogy that can't be argued against unless you form a valid view on circumcision first.

I hope you enjoy that answer better my friend.
 

ReinWeisserRitter

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Rodrigo Girao said:
Well, I DO have problems on this regard, and know that many more also do. Of course it won't be "that big of a deal" when you actively dismiss those who state that it is.
Well, unless it's causing you physical discomfort or endangers your health, it might do you good to simply change your point of view on the matter. The vast majority of our problems, particularly with ourselves, are mostly in our heads, afterall.

Sewora said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
I pray you're being facetious for comedic effect.
Human rights. Look it up. If you don't like it, I can come chop off parts of your body and see how you like not having a say in what bodyparts you are allowed to have and not.
I can probably come up with a thousand good reasons as to why you shouldn't have said bodyparts, and back it up with scientific research.

Won't make it right, but it's the identical process as circumcision so it should be fine, right?
If you argue against that, you argue against circumcision. I've made an analogy that can't be argued against unless you form a valid view on circumcision first.

I hope you enjoy that answer better my friend.
Not really, given that it had fuck all to do with what you originally said. And on that note, our view of sex, largely as recreation, doesn't have a damn thing to do with "the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe". That only involves putting it in there until it starts making babies, not the aesthetics of your freaking penis or your right to keep its freaking skin in tact.

And as I've already said, I don't give two damns about circumcision and think you're whining about spilled milk. If they chopped off an arm, I could see the issue, but you, at the least, appear to be complaining solely because no one asked you whether you wanted a negligible bit of skin removed. No one asked me if I wanted to be born (I'd have passed, if you're curious) either, and I don't moan about that at the slightest provocation. Some things are better left getting the fuck over.
 

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Circumcision should never be done at all unless the person chooses to do so themselves, or it's medically needed. I'm sorry, but as soon I found out I was circumcised for religious reasons, guess which two people would have been loathed by me for the rest of my life. Nobody takes away parts of my body without my say, that is my body and decision, and my decision alone. Circumcision is a violation of child and human rights.
 

Rodrigo Girao

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
Well, unless it's causing you physical discomfort or endangers your health, it might do you good to simply change your point of view on the matter.
It DOES cause physical discomfort, and there's the whole vastly reduced sensation thing... so, YOU change your damn point of view.
 

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ravensheart18 said:
kurupt87 said:
lol, I was. I think this guy is too, he could use a bit more practice though.
Hey, I'm on a lot of pain meds right now, my brain is foggy I can only be so good lol.
lol, probably not helped by the numerous crazies in this thread. In the mode of accepting craziness as actual opinion and you were an unwitting victim.
 

Sewora

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ReinWeisserRitter said:
Rodrigo Girao said:
Well, I DO have problems on this regard, and know that many more also do. Of course it won't be "that big of a deal" when you actively dismiss those who state that it is.
Well, unless it's causing you physical discomfort or endangers your health, it might do you good to simply change your point of view on the matter. The vast majority of our problems, particularly with ourselves, are mostly in our heads, afterall.

Sewora said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
I pray you're being facetious for comedic effect.
Human rights. Look it up. If you don't like it, I can come chop off parts of your body and see how you like not having a say in what bodyparts you are allowed to have and not.
I can probably come up with a thousand good reasons as to why you shouldn't have said bodyparts, and back it up with scientific research.

Won't make it right, but it's the identical process as circumcision so it should be fine, right?
If you argue against that, you argue against circumcision. I've made an analogy that can't be argued against unless you form a valid view on circumcision first.

I hope you enjoy that answer better my friend.
Not really, given that it had fuck all to do with what you originally said. And on that note, our view of sex, largely as recreation, doesn't have a damn thing to do with "the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe". That only involves putting it in there until it starts making babies, not the aesthetics of your freaking penis or your right to keep its freaking skin in tact.

And as I've already said, I don't give two damns about circumcision and think you're whining about spilled milk. If they chopped off an arm, I could see the issue, but you, at the least, appear to be complaining solely because no one asked you whether you wanted a negligible bit of skin removed. No one asked me if I wanted to be born (I'd have passed, if you're curious) either, and I don't moan about that at the slightest provocation. Some things are better left getting the fuck over.
I'm uncircumsized, and I'm fighting for mens sexual freedom and equality.

And the difference is, you can do something about being born, but if you've been permanently damage you cannot undo it, all you can do is either accept it as reality or question it.

And you think too simply to understand what I meant with "the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe".
The principle is simple, sex is fundamental for our existance, so all existance is dependant on sex. So everything regarding sex should be taken seriously.
The right to choose your own sexuality is the most important aspect of modern human society. Disallowing someone the power over their own genitals is immoral and inhumane. Any homosexual will tell you that it's immoral to disallow people their choice of sexuality.
The genitals are directly connected to our sexuality, so it's one of the most important parts of our body, physiologically, psychologically and spiritually.
 

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BrassButtons said:
But why should it be about what the parent wants? It isn't the parent's body. It should be about what the person with the penis wants.
Because it is the parent's right to chose something as unimportant as this for their day old child who is incapable of making this decision...
 

ReinWeisserRitter

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Sewora said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
Rodrigo Girao said:
Well, I DO have problems on this regard, and know that many more also do. Of course it won't be "that big of a deal" when you actively dismiss those who state that it is.
Well, unless it's causing you physical discomfort or endangers your health, it might do you good to simply change your point of view on the matter. The vast majority of our problems, particularly with ourselves, are mostly in our heads, afterall.

Sewora said:
ReinWeisserRitter said:
I pray you're being facetious for comedic effect.
Human rights. Look it up. If you don't like it, I can come chop off parts of your body and see how you like not having a say in what bodyparts you are allowed to have and not.
I can probably come up with a thousand good reasons as to why you shouldn't have said bodyparts, and back it up with scientific research.

Won't make it right, but it's the identical process as circumcision so it should be fine, right?
If you argue against that, you argue against circumcision. I've made an analogy that can't be argued against unless you form a valid view on circumcision first.

I hope you enjoy that answer better my friend.
Not really, given that it had fuck all to do with what you originally said. And on that note, our view of sex, largely as recreation, doesn't have a damn thing to do with "the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe". That only involves putting it in there until it starts making babies, not the aesthetics of your freaking penis or your right to keep its freaking skin in tact.

And as I've already said, I don't give two damns about circumcision and think you're whining about spilled milk. If they chopped off an arm, I could see the issue, but you, at the least, appear to be complaining solely because no one asked you whether you wanted a negligible bit of skin removed. No one asked me if I wanted to be born (I'd have passed, if you're curious) either, and I don't moan about that at the slightest provocation. Some things are better left getting the fuck over.
I'm uncircumsized, and I'm fighting for mens sexual freedom and equality.

And the difference is, you can do something about being born, but if you've been permanently damage you cannot undo it, all you can do is either accept it as reality or question it.
Sure you can do something about it; you can get over it and not have it done to your own kids if you get them.

Sewora said:
And you think too simply to understand what I meant with "the fundamental pinnacle for life and all biological existance in the universe".
Hahahaha.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like the problem is more you think too highly of yourself for saying such things with a straight face.

Straight fingers? Whatever, straightness.

Sewora said:
The principle is simple, sex is fundamental for our existance, so all existance is dependant on sex. So everything regarding sex should be taken seriously.
I'm just going to say that's the worst logic ever and leave it at that outside of the following analogy: "We live on earth so everything on earth pertains to us."

Sound stupid? It is. But it's similar in scope to what you just said.

Sewora said:
The right to choose your own sexuality is the most important aspect of modern human society.
You may be amazed to know that the vast majority of important things that happen in our lives don't have a damn thing to do with sex, then, making that completely wrong.

Sewora said:
Disallowing someone the power over their own genitals is immoral and inhumane. Any homosexual will tell you that it's immoral to disallow people their choice of sexuality.
Those two statements have very little to do with each other. You're grasping hard, here.

Also, homosexuals are not the sole faction to consult on the morality of sexuality, or the denial thereof. Your implication of the contrary, intentional or otherwise, is grossly ignorant.

Sewora said:
The genitals are directly connected to our sexuality,
This is true, in some cases.

Sewora said:
so it's one of the most important parts of our body, physiologically, psychologically and spiritually.
While this is bollocks. An asexual person could bore you to death with why it is (and would probably be right, by and large), and that's just one group of people.

As for you, you're grouping everyone based on your own perception of the world. Sex is not important to everyone, sexuality is not a large part of everyone's life, and is especially not a large part of their spirituality or psychology. Go tell a Buddhist monk what he'd think of your thoughts on what constitutes an important part of his spirituality and psychology, and if you're lucky, he won't smile at you in mild amusement.

Put another way, sex and sexuality is as different between people as the people themselves are between each other. You are far from the sole authority on what it means to everyone, and your apparent belief otherwise is one of the very few things I've found offensive on the internet, even if mildly so.

That said, you probably have good intentions. But frankly, I believe them to be grossly misaimed and in need of re-evaluation.
 

Rodrigo Girao

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Shynobee said:
Rodrigo Girao said:
Shynobee said:
Since when is circumcision defined as abusive?
Well, back in the Roman Empire, it was punishable by death. Stern, but fair!
Lol?
History lesson time? Emperor Hadrian had it forbidden in all of the Roman Empire around year 130 - under the same penalty as castration and murder, which was death. This, among other reasons, led to the Bar Kokhba revolt: as the Historia Augusta registers, "The jews went to war because they were forbidden to mutilate their genitals." It thus caused the destruction of ancient Israel.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Meh. I'm circumcised, and I don't really care. "BUT YOU HAVE BETTER SEX IF YOU'RE UNCUT!" So? I can't miss what I never had. "BUT IT'S ABUSIVE AND SCARRING!" Please. I remember getting my dessert taken away with more fury and trauma than my circumcision.

Also, it's pretty easy to spot who's circumcised and who's not in this thread.
It's not that easy.

It's easy to tell whose feathers are harder to ruffle though, that's for damn sure.
 

BrassButtons

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Shynobee said:
Because it is the parent's right to chose something as unimportant as this for their day old child who is incapable of making this decision...
But why does the decision even need to be made? Why is this something that must be decided before the person is old enough to make the choice themselves? It's not like there's a time limit and then you lose the option to circumcise. And if it's unimportant, why wouldn't you just wait until the kid is old enough to make a decision for himself? Again, this doesn't need to be done in infancy.

Kids can't make decisions about tattoos either, but that doesn't make it good parenting to tattoo them as babies just because.