Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

[Jegsimmons]

im circumcised and im fine with it. no problems what so ever.

its all hogwashed that's been overplayed and matters almost none what so ever on either side.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Can we stop seeing this absurd comparison to female circumcision?

How about NO.

Spoiler

Women are circumcised to take away pleasure from sex, male circumcision gives more pleasure. Someone who's circumcised is not going to suffer a negative impact from it, so stop trying to compare it to a situation where there is a clear negative impact.

Yeah, that introduction made sense after all: you're as ignorant, misinformed, and delusional as that other guy.

 

[Sewora]

Can we stop seeing this absurd comparison to female circumcision? Women are circumcised to take away pleasure from sex, male circumcision gives more pleasure. Someone who's circumcised is not going to suffer a negative impact from it, so stop trying to compare it to a situation where there is a clear negative impact.

Both are to take away pleasure from sex. Have you ever read about circumcision and why it's standardized in the US?
Jesus christ.. How ignorant can people really get?

Do you have foreskin? Can you even imagine what it feels like to have foreskin? Do you know what sensation the foreskin has? I'm guessing you can't?

I do, and I can feel it. And I know what so many men are missing out on. And as I've said before.. If I retract my foreskin, I get the sensation of being circumsized. And in comparison (since I can in fact compare) I'd say the foreskin is pretty fucking important.


You should take some time and read through the things written in this thread. There's a reason that
"Parents shouldn't do it do their kids. Let them decide when they're older." is at 53.2% (889)and "It's the parents' choice." is at a lowly 17.3% (289). It's not because the majority of the world is ignorant and uneducated. It's because we are in fact educated, we have foreskins, we can touch it and feel sensation.
A large percentage of that is probably circumsized men too, that feel it's wrong to take away the right to an intact body.

Male and female circumcision is the exact same thing, they are both to prevent sexual pleasure. And if you believe otherwise you're severely ignorant, poorly educated or manipulated by a society that demands conformity even in the way your genitals look.

You've lost, just give up and accept that humanity has evolved past the genital mutilation of children. Or amputation of healthy body parts.. Call it what you want, it's still a knife to your cock against your will.

Yeah, that introduction made sense after all: you're as ignorant, misinformed, and delusional as that other guy.

Keep in mind that it's what they teach people in the US. How many do you think would get circumsized if they told them the truth? Beside, he's living with a mutilated sexual organ, the chance of him accepting that it is wrong, and that he's in fact a victim to a wicked society is minimal.
Same with every other circumsised guy. Can't miss what you've never had, right? So why bother fighting for it.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Circumcision became standard in the US to stop boys from feeling sexual sensation. It was to try to stop masturbation by Christianity.

Except that, as I've already mentioned, Christianity is against circumcision [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5&version=NIV].

This is clearly related to the puritanical take on Christianity that they have in the USA, which is quite different [http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly050504.htm] from the original.

 

[Eventidal]

I'm in the minority camp here, but I honestly wish I had gotten one when I was a baby. It's not something that's known to create lasting bad effects (physically or psychologically) as far as I know and I personally wish I'd had one when I was a baby. It would have saved me a lifetime of dealing with the consequences of what was never snipped off... not quite growing right.
It's been a major pain and even gotten in the way of my ability to have/enjoy sex, and even now as an adult, after a surgery to fix it (waiting on that to heal was massively painful) I'm still dealing with aftereffects. Had they simply circumcised me when I was born none of this would have happened.

Really, I can't think of why it would be a bad thing. It's not like lack of foreskin is a deal-breaker, and if it is, you're after the wrong kind of girl... It's really an annoyance to have more than anything else, and mid-life circumcisions can be pretty hard to deal with, while you recover.

 

[iNsaneMilesy]

I'm all for circumcision

I'm circumsized, and I'm not any worse off than anyone else, and I don't care that doctors cut some of my skin off when I was too young to remember it.

Basically, there's no reason parents shouldn't be able to make the choice.

Same here. I also agree. I'm circumsised and I'm glad I was. It does have a FEW medical benifits, but mostly I like the way it looks. Too me it's normal and looks better than uncirsumsised penis, there is no lack of sensation or size... doing very well in the size dept. but thats another topic...

Seeing how many people chose that it would be better to leave the choice until older leaves me with a look of bewilderment on my face. Either they are women, uncircumsised or are too easily drawn to feeling like they were robbed of a bit of useless skin. Get over it, you are better off without it and plus women prefer it which means better sex. I was far too young remember the proceedure, so no "TRAUMA" was inflicted. If a grown man were to get it done now, not only would it be scary as hell, he may have a possible feeling of remorse at an older age. Plus he'd have to walk around in a lot of pain for a few weeks. It also look very different when its done on a man as opposed to a baby, baby has time to grow into it if you will. As a baby, I spend all my time on my back crying, shitting and eating. A good time to recover I say.

Funny how only in the last generation has EVERY single parenting choice or act been called into question by a small few and turned into a major isuue when it has been working fine for well, EVER.

From disipline like spanking, to medical choices like NOT immunising... insane. Also usually all lead by the psychotic minority. Interesting that alot of them are people dont even have children, yet have to put their 2 cents in on topic they really know nothing about.

First of all if you read through the arguements given you would be less bewildered. Just a thought.

The idea is that the procedure is medically unneccessary as all health benifits can be achieved by washing often and efficiently. But it can also cause complications. Take a look at this meta analysis of studies if you want, dont have a go at me for not using sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision#Costs_and_benefits

Id at that point say that as it has pretty much no medical effect for the better that cant be achieved anyway, and the negative effects can be only fixable by surgery that the procedure is medically unneccessary and as such it is wrong to perform on a child.

This doesnt even touch on the rights of the child. I would say that permenantly marking your child in any way is wrong, and many children would rather they chose how they look. The thing is your father couldnt force circumcision on you when you are 18, why is it ok when you are small? Because you cant say no? Because you cannot object? Thats rather questionable. Seeing as the above shows its medically unnecessary it now falls under the category of either cosmetic or personal choice. I dont think babies should undergo cosmetic surgery full stop. So lets not even get into that as its a little bit sickening.

Id also argue that any surgery performed is better as a baby for all the same reasons but we dont perform medically unneccessary surgies on babies because its pointless, a little dangerous and a waste of resources as well as having a chance of being against that persons will in the future (IE they were angry it was performed)

Id argue that spanking and immuniisations are not permenant physical changes to your child and thus completely fall out of the topic of this arguement. I agree a parents choice should be on how to punish their child. Vaccinations should be mandetory though.

I argue that i own my body. That although it is entrusted to my parents for a large portion of my child life that it is still mine, and thus all choices pertaining to the way it looks or will be forever should be mine too. I LIKE having a foreskin. And if you dont thats awesome, but it should be your choice if you have one or not. The glide mechanism needs it, it has glands and nerves and honestly id be as happy with this as i would if someone tore of my nipples as a kid. Maybe you are happy without these glands, i cant comment on how important they are but isnt it my choice if you are going to remove them?

Removing mens breasts would prevent male breast cancer, a cancer at higher rates than penile cancer, an arguement used by the pro circumcision camp revolves around reduction of penile cancer. Is it ok to remove your kids nipples? How about is earlobes? At what point is it wrong to customise your child in such a permenant fashion? Is this the only exception to these rules? Why should it be? Why is it ok to force a child and not an adult? Is it just because it cant say no? Why is it ok to force anyone at all?

Seeing as im soon to be joining the medical community you can bet ill be lobbying for choice in circumcision and asking proffesionals exactly why this is allowed.

Also THIS was done because it looks good back in ancient times.

http://shs.westport.k12.ct.us/forensics/11-forensic_anthropology/forensic_skeletons/peruvian_female_%28skull_binding_100bc%29-www.boneclones.com.JPG

I know its a lot worse than circumcision but id argue that the justification for this is just as false. Its wrong to go "i think this looks better, thus my son should be forced to have it". What if he doesnt like it? You cant just force personal preference on your kid forever in an unchangable way.

I already know all the argments and made my mind up a long time ago, I had no reason to read them as just seeing the poll percentage was enough. Answer is that I COULD CARE LESS... but you trolling/annoying/boring types (whatever the term is) like to take the bait and cant let go or move on from something, but that is another issue. If you and those like you bothered to put as much effort into admiring your dicks instead of convincing yourselves you've been robbed of your innocence you might get laid more. I am circumsised, I dont care about the 'arguments', I am VERY happy with my dick and the way it look and feels etc. Nothing you brought up would ever change my mind. I have thanked my parents for doing it, my sexual partners have also haha. Unless you yourself are circumsised, you have no say just like if it were a race or gender issue. If you are circumsised, then you must have some SERIOUS self image problems or some other stupid issue no one cares about... that goes for everyone by the way. Now, if you must rebut with something go ahead. It will mean nothing except a lame attempt to force an arument with someone who doesnt care. I have given a viewoint from self experience, consider that evidence enough. there are plenty who agree, one case in point read the above comment.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

I'm all for circumcision

I'm circumsized, and I'm not any worse off than anyone else, and I don't care that doctors cut some of my skin off when I was too young to remember it.

Basically, there's no reason parents shouldn't be able to make the choice.

Same here. I also agree. I'm circumsised and I'm glad I was. It does have a FEW medical benifits, but mostly I like the way it looks. Too me it's normal and looks better than uncirsumsised penis, there is no lack of sensation or size... doing very well in the size dept. but thats another topic...

Seeing how many people chose that it would be better to leave the choice until older leaves me with a look of bewilderment on my face. Either they are women, uncircumsised or are too easily drawn to feeling like they were robbed of a bit of useless skin. Get over it, you are better off without it and plus women prefer it which means better sex. I was far too young remember the proceedure, so no "TRAUMA" was inflicted. If a grown man were to get it done now, not only would it be scary as hell, he may have a possible feeling of remorse at an older age. Plus he'd have to walk around in a lot of pain for a few weeks. It also look very different when its done on a man as opposed to a baby, baby has time to grow into it if you will. As a baby, I spend all my time on my back crying, shitting and eating. A good time to recover I say.

Funny how only in the last generation has EVERY single parenting choice or act been called into question by a small few and turned into a major isuue when it has been working fine for well, EVER.

From disipline like spanking, to medical choices like NOT immunising... insane. Also usually all lead by the psychotic minority. Interesting that alot of them are people dont even have children, yet have to put their 2 cents in on topic they really know nothing about.

First of all if you read through the arguements given you would be less bewildered. Just a thought.

The idea is that the procedure is medically unneccessary as all health benifits can be achieved by washing often and efficiently. But it can also cause complications. Take a look at this meta analysis of studies if you want, dont have a go at me for not using sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision#Costs_and_benefits

Id at that point say that as it has pretty much no medical effect for the better that cant be achieved anyway, and the negative effects can be only fixable by surgery that the procedure is medically unneccessary and as such it is wrong to perform on a child.

This doesnt even touch on the rights of the child. I would say that permenantly marking your child in any way is wrong, and many children would rather they chose how they look. The thing is your father couldnt force circumcision on you when you are 18, why is it ok when you are small? Because you cant say no? Because you cannot object? Thats rather questionable. Seeing as the above shows its medically unnecessary it now falls under the category of either cosmetic or personal choice. I dont think babies should undergo cosmetic surgery full stop. So lets not even get into that as its a little bit sickening.

Id also argue that any surgery performed is better as a baby for all the same reasons but we dont perform medically unneccessary surgies on babies because its pointless, a little dangerous and a waste of resources as well as having a chance of being against that persons will in the future (IE they were angry it was performed)

Id argue that spanking and immuniisations are not permenant physical changes to your child and thus completely fall out of the topic of this arguement. I agree a parents choice should be on how to punish their child. Vaccinations should be mandetory though.

I argue that i own my body. That although it is entrusted to my parents for a large portion of my child life that it is still mine, and thus all choices pertaining to the way it looks or will be forever should be mine too. I LIKE having a foreskin. And if you dont thats awesome, but it should be your choice if you have one or not. The glide mechanism needs it, it has glands and nerves and honestly id be as happy with this as i would if someone tore of my nipples as a kid. Maybe you are happy without these glands, i cant comment on how important they are but isnt it my choice if you are going to remove them?

Removing mens breasts would prevent male breast cancer, a cancer at higher rates than penile cancer, an arguement used by the pro circumcision camp revolves around reduction of penile cancer. Is it ok to remove your kids nipples? How about is earlobes? At what point is it wrong to customise your child in such a permenant fashion? Is this the only exception to these rules? Why should it be? Why is it ok to force a child and not an adult? Is it just because it cant say no? Why is it ok to force anyone at all?

Seeing as im soon to be joining the medical community you can bet ill be lobbying for choice in circumcision and asking proffesionals exactly why this is allowed.

Also THIS was done because it looks good back in ancient times.

http://shs.westport.k12.ct.us/forensics/11-forensic_anthropology/forensic_skeletons/peruvian_female_%28skull_binding_100bc%29-www.boneclones.com.JPG

I know its a lot worse than circumcision but id argue that the justification for this is just as false. Its wrong to go "i think this looks better, thus my son should be forced to have it". What if he doesnt like it? You cant just force personal preference on your kid forever in an unchangable way.

I already know all the argments and made my mind up a long time ago, I had no reason to read them as just seeing the poll percentage was enough. Answer is that I COULD CARE LESS... but you trolling/annoying/boring types (whatever the term is) like to take the bait and cant let go or move on from something, but that is another issue. If you and those like you bothered to put as much effort into admiring your dicks instead of convincing yourselves you've been robbed of your innocence you might get laid more. I am circumsised, I dont care about the 'arguments', I am VERY happy with my dick and the way it look and feels etc. Nothing you brought up would ever change my mind. I have thanked my parents for doing it, my sexual partners have also haha. Unless you yourself are circumsised, you have no say just like if it were a race or gender issue. If you are circumsised, then you must have some SERIOUS self image problems or some other stupid issue no one cares about... that goes for everyone by the way. Now, if you must rebut with something go ahead. It will mean nothing except a lame attempt to force an arument with someone who doesnt care. I have given a viewoint from self experience, consider that evidence enough. there are plenty who agree, one case in point read the above comment.

Fair enough. just as an added note I could care less makes no sense at all, if you can care less go ahead and care less, all you've told me is that you care to some degree. Just a thought

When im in a position where i get to have a say on if this is allowed or not i will use these arguements against it. BTW nice touch on the "You boring annoying trolling types" and the subtle personal attacks on "get laid more". I always like those in a response. "Look how cool and uncaring i am, everyone who cares about something needs more sex like me super awesome sexy uncarring man". Youre in this thread too, so there's no need to act so pretentious and better than everyone else.

I shant waste time forcing an arguement on you though. Just wanted to correct your mistakes and accept your viewpoint/vague insults. You like the way you are, so your kids will share it by force. Fair enough. I dont expect or want a reply. Have a wonderfull day.

 

[iNsaneMilesy]

I'm all for circumcision

I'm circumsized, and I'm not any worse off than anyone else, and I don't care that doctors cut some of my skin off when I was too young to remember it.

Basically, there's no reason parents shouldn't be able to make the choice.

Same here. I also agree. I'm circumsised and I'm glad I was. It does have a FEW medical benifits, but mostly I like the way it looks. Too me it's normal and looks better than uncirsumsised penis, there is no lack of sensation or size... doing very well in the size dept. but thats another topic...

Seeing how many people chose that it would be better to leave the choice until older leaves me with a look of bewilderment on my face. Either they are women, uncircumsised or are too easily drawn to feeling like they were robbed of a bit of useless skin. Get over it, you are better off without it and plus women prefer it which means better sex. I was far too young remember the proceedure, so no "TRAUMA" was inflicted. If a grown man were to get it done now, not only would it be scary as hell, he may have a possible feeling of remorse at an older age. Plus he'd have to walk around in a lot of pain for a few weeks. It also look very different when its done on a man as opposed to a baby, baby has time to grow into it if you will. As a baby, I spend all my time on my back crying, shitting and eating. A good time to recover I say.

Funny how only in the last generation has EVERY single parenting choice or act been called into question by a small few and turned into a major isuue when it has been working fine for well, EVER.

From disipline like spanking, to medical choices like NOT immunising... insane. Also usually all lead by the psychotic minority. Interesting that alot of them are people dont even have children, yet have to put their 2 cents in on topic they really know nothing about.

First of all if you read through the arguements given you would be less bewildered. Just a thought.

The idea is that the procedure is medically unneccessary as all health benifits can be achieved by washing often and efficiently. But it can also cause complications. Take a look at this meta analysis of studies if you want, dont have a go at me for not using sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_analysis_of_circumcision#Costs_and_benefits

Id at that point say that as it has pretty much no medical effect for the better that cant be achieved anyway, and the negative effects can be only fixable by surgery that the procedure is medically unneccessary and as such it is wrong to perform on a child.

This doesnt even touch on the rights of the child. I would say that permenantly marking your child in any way is wrong, and many children would rather they chose how they look. The thing is your father couldnt force circumcision on you when you are 18, why is it ok when you are small? Because you cant say no? Because you cannot object? Thats rather questionable. Seeing as the above shows its medically unnecessary it now falls under the category of either cosmetic or personal choice. I dont think babies should undergo cosmetic surgery full stop. So lets not even get into that as its a little bit sickening.

Id also argue that any surgery performed is better as a baby for all the same reasons but we dont perform medically unneccessary surgies on babies because its pointless, a little dangerous and a waste of resources as well as having a chance of being against that persons will in the future (IE they were angry it was performed)

Id argue that spanking and immuniisations are not permenant physical changes to your child and thus completely fall out of the topic of this arguement. I agree a parents choice should be on how to punish their child. Vaccinations should be mandetory though.

I argue that i own my body. That although it is entrusted to my parents for a large portion of my child life that it is still mine, and thus all choices pertaining to the way it looks or will be forever should be mine too. I LIKE having a foreskin. And if you dont thats awesome, but it should be your choice if you have one or not. The glide mechanism needs it, it has glands and nerves and honestly id be as happy with this as i would if someone tore of my nipples as a kid. Maybe you are happy without these glands, i cant comment on how important they are but isnt it my choice if you are going to remove them?

Removing mens breasts would prevent male breast cancer, a cancer at higher rates than penile cancer, an arguement used by the pro circumcision camp revolves around reduction of penile cancer. Is it ok to remove your kids nipples? How about is earlobes? At what point is it wrong to customise your child in such a permenant fashion? Is this the only exception to these rules? Why should it be? Why is it ok to force a child and not an adult? Is it just because it cant say no? Why is it ok to force anyone at all?

Seeing as im soon to be joining the medical community you can bet ill be lobbying for choice in circumcision and asking proffesionals exactly why this is allowed.

Also THIS was done because it looks good back in ancient times.

http://shs.westport.k12.ct.us/forensics/11-forensic_anthropology/forensic_skeletons/peruvian_female_%28skull_binding_100bc%29-www.boneclones.com.JPG

I know its a lot worse than circumcision but id argue that the justification for this is just as false. Its wrong to go "i think this looks better, thus my son should be forced to have it". What if he doesnt like it? You cant just force personal preference on your kid forever in an unchangable way.

I already know all the argments and made my mind up a long time ago, I had no reason to read them as just seeing the poll percentage was enough. Answer is that I COULD CARE LESS... but you trolling/annoying/boring types (whatever the term is) like to take the bait and cant let go or move on from something, but that is another issue. If you and those like you bothered to put as much effort into admiring your dicks instead of convincing yourselves you've been robbed of your innocence you might get laid more. I am circumsised, I dont care about the 'arguments', I am VERY happy with my dick and the way it look and feels etc. Nothing you brought up would ever change my mind. I have thanked my parents for doing it, my sexual partners have also haha. Unless you yourself are circumsised, you have no say just like if it were a race or gender issue. If you are circumsised, then you must have some SERIOUS self image problems or some other stupid issue no one cares about... that goes for everyone by the way. Now, if you must rebut with something go ahead. It will mean nothing except a lame attempt to force an arument with someone who doesnt care. I have given a viewoint from self experience, consider that evidence enough. there are plenty who agree, one case in point read the above comment.

Fair enough. just as an added note I could care less makes no sense at all, if you can care less go ahead and care less, all you've told me is that you care to some degree. Just a thought

When im in a position where i get to have a say on if this is allowed or not i will use these arguements against it. BTW nice touch on the "You boring annoying trolling types" and the subtle personal attacks on "get laid more". I always like those in a response. "Look how cool and uncaring i am, everyone who cares about something needs more sex like me super awesome sexy uncarring man". Youre in this thread too, so there's no need to act so pretentious and better than everyone else.

I shant waste time forcing an arguement on you though. Just wanted to correct your mistakes and accept your viewpoint/vague insults. You like the way you are, so your kids will share it by force. Fair enough. I dont expect or want a reply. Have a wonderfull day.

I have no mistakes to correct. Caring less only means to give an opinion in a poll and nothing more. It seems some people have to use the forum to make themselves feel better or something along those artificial lines by starting defunked arguments that go nowhere. I am no better than anyone else, I mearly fall under a differt banner... but at this point yes, I am quite clearly beyond you as much as I hateto say it. Try and take the higher ground mate, but you are just copying a stance I already took. You have offered no personal reasons for your arguments, only copying your evidence from a public and often skeptical source or atacking those that may disagree. There is a 50/50 stalemate on the issue here in the medical community already, WE are all here to give personal imput. I can only suggest you grow up. Relieve some of that pent up anger somewhere else dude.

 

[SonicKoala]

If you can't tolerate it, don't participate in the discussion. The act of amputating healthy bodyparts on infants to make them fit into a wicked society is closely related to the act of filtering out bad people from society. Conformity is not just a word to describe social attitude, but also the public's demand for you to be perfect according to someone elses standards. And I can't help it if that's exactly what the nazi's thought and did.

Amputating body parts? Seriously? You need to lighten up - it is the removal of what is essentially a superfluous piece of skin which serves absolutely no purpose (at least in modern society, I'm aware it had a use when we were still clothe-less and lived in the wilderness) and will have absolutely no negative consequences in terms of compromising the actual use of the penis. And no, it is in NO WAY similar to filtering out entire people - how could you say such a thing? You sound like those PETA ads which compare slaughterhouses to the holocaust... circumcision is the removal of a meaningless piece of skin. Filtering out entire people is...murder. If you can't see the difference, then you really need to take off your hyperbolic crazy glasses and view things in a more rational way.

Seriously, you're rhetoric is mind-blowingly excessive; "wicked society"? Give me a break.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Bull-fucking-shit. That is the same historical revisionism people who never studied history use.

Circumcision became standard in the US to stop boys from feeling sexual sensation. It was to try to stop masturbation by Christianity. Dr. Kellog spearheaded this movement, and also called for parents to use acid to burn the genitals of little girls. Period. This is not up for debate, this is historical fact.

Male circumcision never gave more pleasure. There is no evidence suggesting that. In fact, there is evidence to the opposite.

"Most girls I asked" is anecdotal, and entirely an appeal from tradition. Two logical fallacies no rational person would ever fall into.

I apologize for the lack of research on that. I looked more into it (my prior statement was from a single result from a search) and I am completely wrong on the point of it giving increased pleasure. Although there are cases where men do report more pleasure after circumcision, be they much less frequent than the opposite.

Can we stop seeing this absurd comparison to female circumcision?

How about NO.

Spoiler

Women are circumcised to take away pleasure from sex, male circumcision gives more pleasure. Someone who's circumcised is not going to suffer a negative impact from it, so stop trying to compare it to a situation where there is a clear negative impact.

Yeah, that introduction made sense after all: you're as ignorant, misinformed, and delusional as that other guy.

Oh, you have a table? Well aren't you fancy.

The most important item in that list (besides death, getting to that in next paragraph) is the one with the difference, the majority being distracting filler. You could just as easily add "Is performed by people" and five other random facts to make them seem more similar. I stand by what I said with there being clear negative effects to do with female circumcision, definitely quite a bit more significant than the very minor complications that can come from male circumcision, successful male circumcision that is.

That being said... I was rather caught off guard by the fact that there's as many mortalities from circumcision as there are. The exact number is inconsistent but it 9/100,000 is one that commonly comes up. If the mere benefit of circumcision is an incredibly small percentage less likely chance of urinary infects or related issues I definitely would not say it's worth the risk.

Yeah, that introduction made sense after all: you're as ignorant, misinformed, and delusional as that other guy.

Keep in mind that it's what they teach people in the US. How many do you think would get circumsized if they told them the truth? Beside, he's living with a mutilated sexual organ, the chance of him accepting that it is wrong, and that he's in fact a victim to a wicked society is minimal.
Same with every other circumsised guy. Can't miss what you've never had, right? So why bother fighting for it.

Not from the US, Canada actually.

I don't know what horror you seem to think there is of being circumcised I can tell you that at no point did I ever feel like a "victim to a wicked society" or that I am "living with a mutilated sexual organ". Living with a circumcised penis is fine, there's is no void in my life, no pain or any reason to make a fuss about it. What I do have a problem with is the people who have had failed circumcisions and take ACTUAL damage to their penis or die from it. I don't think it's worth the risk for a pointless operation (with does a bit more harm than good, I will concede on that)

So yes, you got one on your side, congrats, thanks for pushing me to do some more research on the subject. Although I still disagree with the notion that it is horrific mutilation and a wicked crime by society. It's not the heinous act many of the people in this thread make it out to be, but it is without reason and does more harm than good (arguably no good).

 

[Titan Buttons]

No harm is done to the child but there is no medical benift from it, so it's all a matter of personal choice of the parents.

 

[Sewora]

No harm is done to the child but there is no medical benift from it, so it's all a matter of personal choice of the parents.

Except for the fact that the child loses a very important muceous membrane that has the same sensitivity as the glans, so his sexual sensation is reduced greatly, his ability to lubricate properly is lost, and the reduction of friction due to the piston-effect is lost, effectively making sex less pleasurable for both the male and female.
Not the mention the medical benefits of having your glans protected at young age.

Oh I don't see how it could possibly be considered as harming the child...

 

[Zantos]

Well, on paper there are plenty of medical and hygiene benefits to circumcision. But from the wince I get just from typing the word I think it should be the person's choice and not the parents.

 

[Zantos]

But from the wince I get just from typing the word I think it should be the person's choice and not the parents.

Getting my daughter's tongue tie cut when she was a newborn make me cringe too. In case you don't know what that is, they use surgical sissors to slice back the tissue connecting the tongue to the bottom of the mouth. They do this in cases where the tisse forms too far up. This can interfere with breastfeeding (our problem) and with speach later.

The procedure is at the call of the parents. The medical evidence on it is mixed. It seems pretty clear it does help with breastfeeding and speach in a statistically significant number of cases, but there is also a chance of infection, and a mouth of a newborn is not a place you want an infection.

We authorized it because we felt the breastfeeding benefit was worth it to her health. But I'll tell you, I winced A LOT.

They use no anestetic of any kind. It can take 2 or or 3 cuts since they don't want to over cut and thus do it slowly. The child SCREAMS like you wouldn't believe. I've never heard a sound like that come from a child (and I've been at circumcision as a comparison).

Sometimes the fact that it makes the parent wince is not the reason to say no to something.

Eeeesh, that sounds horrible. Though I would say in the case of immediate medical benefit that's a good call. I can't think of (though don't exactly do much reading up on the subject) any medical benefit to circumcision that can't wait until they're older. If a doctor said they needed to do it now or my future child would suffer in later life I'd say go for it. What I meant was that if it can wait until the kid is older without really impacting them I'd leave it until they were old enough to decide on their own.

 

[DannyBandicoot]

Parents should not be allowed to mutilate their children. They can do it themselves when they are older if they want.
I'm not going to cut off my future-son's little toe even for stupid assed archaic religious reasons.