homogenising in the name of wider audience appeal is the worst thing in gaming, along with tacked on multiplayer which usually serves the same purpose.
Poll: What Do You Think Is Currently The Worst Thing In Gaming?
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Every AAA game is slowly become exactly the same game.
3rd person, you'll fight like 5 enemies at a time max, because the days of fighting like 15 - 20 enemies at a time were too exciting apparently.
It will have a (usually bad) cover system, there will be a gathering mechanic and a really, really shallow upgrade or crafting mechanic.
The game will be really cutscene heavy, it will be completely linear and the whole thing will basically be set piece after set piece. The game will be all flash, and no game. Nothing will really be challenging, and the whole thing may as well just be a movie.
There will be a horde mode multiplayer, or it will knock of CoD in some way. It will be a treadmill progression system. It won't be very good and will distract you for a few hours before you realize how boring it is.
3rd person, you'll fight like 5 enemies at a time max, because the days of fighting like 15 - 20 enemies at a time were too exciting apparently.
It will have a (usually bad) cover system, there will be a gathering mechanic and a really, really shallow upgrade or crafting mechanic.
The game will be really cutscene heavy, it will be completely linear and the whole thing will basically be set piece after set piece. The game will be all flash, and no game. Nothing will really be challenging, and the whole thing may as well just be a movie.
There will be a horde mode multiplayer, or it will knock of CoD in some way. It will be a treadmill progression system. It won't be very good and will distract you for a few hours before you realize how boring it is.
While I'm not of the opinion that all of the problems the industry faces rest solely on the shoulders of the gaming community, I otherwise mirror most of your thoughts on the matter.TheKasp said:
In many cases we, the gamers, have brought all of this on ourselves. Like you said, many of us complain incessantly about always-on DRM, yet WE helped make Diablo 3 one of the fastest selling PC games in history.
This is not to say the publishers are not at fault in any way. Many of the things; the "problems"; we have to deal with today were brought to us by the publishers. They only continue to subject us to these things because we, as a community, seem content to just bend over and take it. Even if we whine about it.
Same as with Kasp, I agree with you in part.canadamus_prime said:
It's the gamers and the publishers that have created this mess.
Granted, the publisher heap the bullshit on us. But again, as a collective, we just end up "dealing with it"; just so we can play our games.
The funny things here is 'gamers' whining about 'gamers' because most 'gamers' find themselves better than other 'gamers' then the 'gamers' doing the blaming are viewed upon by other 'gamers as the bad ones and it goes into this weird spiral or even circular logic.
But I will admit, the audience for games is stupid, myself included. But personally I blamed huge budgets. Drives up the units needed to sell in which the game needs to be near perfect in the widest possible audience to be able to achieve.
But I will admit, the audience for games is stupid, myself included. But personally I blamed huge budgets. Drives up the units needed to sell in which the game needs to be near perfect in the widest possible audience to be able to achieve.
I'll go with DRM. As much as other gamers can seem appalling, we are them and they are us. A society as a whole should be judged by its worst examples, so I can't call out other gamers (especially the foul mouthed CoD types) because I find it hypocritical.
THANK YOU; after walking away from my PC I thought about writing about this but in a longer and grumpier fashion, but yes. If gamers are your reason you have to include yourself amongst them. Because no matter your choices, somebody will think your choices are stupid.Nomanslander said:
In this community (or any other) everybody should be on equal ground, not blaming everyone else for the mistakes made.
eh it's a tie between gamers/microtransactions/drm, gamers allow publishers to get away with issues 2 and 3 too much for nickel and diming, but then again alot of gamers don't praise good things enough (honestly there isn't very much positive feedback alot of times on games)
I think I can resume my opinion with one sentence
"It all about MONEY!"
DRM, Micro Transaction, no new ideas, all fits into this opinions
when I see a new pokemon, I just cringe because I know million will buy and I know that this game never received any kind of update whatsoever beside very few tweak apart from graphic!
MicroTransaction, I think Facebook game are the worst here, by asking 1-3$ an hour or wait X amount of hours or blatantly asks 10-15 or even 30$ for virtual decoration!!!!
"It all about MONEY!"
DRM, Micro Transaction, no new ideas, all fits into this opinions
when I see a new pokemon, I just cringe because I know million will buy and I know that this game never received any kind of update whatsoever beside very few tweak apart from graphic!
MicroTransaction, I think Facebook game are the worst here, by asking 1-3$ an hour or wait X amount of hours or blatantly asks 10-15 or even 30$ for virtual decoration!!!!
I could choose 'people' because just about the entire entertainment industry is pathetic right now, but the thing is that percentage of people have always had poor taste and made poor decisions in the past as well, so pointing at them as the problem won't solve anything.
We've had many great pieces of art before with a large variety for everyone so whats the difference now? Fucking publishers and other non-artists getting involved in the creative work that's what! It's up those people to do a good job and win by doing to the best they can without making stupid decisions. Not by finding loopholes or trying to find that one thing that makes a game popular and just rely on that. These people are also responsible for educating don't forget, so they should always treat customers with respect.
We've had many great pieces of art before with a large variety for everyone so whats the difference now? Fucking publishers and other non-artists getting involved in the creative work that's what! It's up those people to do a good job and win by doing to the best they can without making stupid decisions. Not by finding loopholes or trying to find that one thing that makes a game popular and just rely on that. These people are also responsible for educating don't forget, so they should always treat customers with respect.
I think 'No New Ideas' is the same as 'Gamer Types', as the reason no new ideas are popping up is because companies aren't that willing to take risks with new IP's due to these stereotypical gamers being a huge money maker.
Either way, I'd say the real problem is the DRM. Soon enough EA will be having people pay full price for both the game and then full price again for the online multiplayer "experience" when they finally get the idiotic notion that they should consider the multiplayer its own game.
Not in the good way where significant time is spent on both, but in the EA way, as in no new effort, just new pricing.
Either way, I'd say the real problem is the DRM. Soon enough EA will be having people pay full price for both the game and then full price again for the online multiplayer "experience" when they finally get the idiotic notion that they should consider the multiplayer its own game.
Not in the good way where significant time is spent on both, but in the EA way, as in no new effort, just new pricing.
DRM or anything that involves internet.
My connection is rubbish at the best of times, let alone when my bandwidth allowance is out.
If i have to log in or connect or something well, Im out of business. Steam, Steam... The good one takes 27 minuets to load(i timed it), Origin just shuts up shop and anything that requieres constant internet connection... well You get the picture.
And they say this is the future of gaming, that its what we all want.
Well no one asked me!
My connection is rubbish at the best of times, let alone when my bandwidth allowance is out.
If i have to log in or connect or something well, Im out of business. Steam, Steam... The good one takes 27 minuets to load(i timed it), Origin just shuts up shop and anything that requieres constant internet connection... well You get the picture.
And they say this is the future of gaming, that its what we all want.
Well no one asked me!
I voted for micro-transactions because your DRM entry tried to categorize too much into a single slot.
DRM isn't evil. There has been basic anti disc copy DRM put on CDs for over a decade. It doesn't hurt you, it doesn't stop you from playing your game. It simply stops laymen from copying CDs and giving them to all their friends. Light DRM is perfectly fine, I don't even mind steam because it's less DRM and more service. And when my computer is off the internet, steam goes, hey want to play your games anyways? It's light its forgiving and I have no problems with it.
DRM that slows my computer down, does basically illegal shit like installing rootkits. That's the real problem, and I would have voted for that if you had put it as an option. Fuck tages, fuck securom, and fuck everything Ubisoft tries. But don't pretend like DRM is suddenly wholly evil just because some of it is.
DRM isn't evil. There has been basic anti disc copy DRM put on CDs for over a decade. It doesn't hurt you, it doesn't stop you from playing your game. It simply stops laymen from copying CDs and giving them to all their friends. Light DRM is perfectly fine, I don't even mind steam because it's less DRM and more service. And when my computer is off the internet, steam goes, hey want to play your games anyways? It's light its forgiving and I have no problems with it.
DRM that slows my computer down, does basically illegal shit like installing rootkits. That's the real problem, and I would have voted for that if you had put it as an option. Fuck tages, fuck securom, and fuck everything Ubisoft tries. But don't pretend like DRM is suddenly wholly evil just because some of it is.
The companies. Publishers apparently utterly incapable of budgeting titles thus losing money if they don't hit the six million units sold required to turn a profit, and in turn blaming gamers because everyone is a pirate and stealing money from them. Manufacturers pushing out a new console because better graphics equal better games, as proven by this generation because nothing else has really changed from the PS2 era.
^This basically all the way. I understand that as people we're all going to have differing opinions, but most of the time I see people stating their opinion as fact, and that's what I find annoying. I really wish most people would just say, "In my opinion" before they discuss what they dislike.TheKasp said:
I vote stupid people. Both the games' industry and the fans are filled with stupid people. Whether it be bad business practices of developers/publishers or the unrelenting defense of said practices by fans, it all comes down to stupid people. Stupid people get mad when their favorite game gets a 7/10. Stupid people write terrible stories that make no logical sense. Stupid people lie to fans of a franchise just to get a buck. Stupid people implement/accept crappy always-online DRM that messes up the game. So I vote stupid people.
Yep because we all know that the gaming community is in fact a hivemind and is not made up of millions of individual people with their own opinions and views. Did it ever occur to you that the people bitching about CoD and D3 are hold on this will blow your mind, not the same fucking people?TheKasp said: