Poll: What does the Escapist community think of vaccinations?

[Blow_Pop]

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Actually I wasn't even thinking of that. Or the formaldehyde one. I actually phrased that wrong (I'm exhausted it's 2 am here and I've been up for almost 24 hours at this point and just got back home so nyeh-which is the sound of my brain turning to mush from exhaustion-). Unnecessary vaccines was what I was aiming for. I'm not saying MMR is an unnecessary one. Or any of the ones that I got in the late 80s early 90s at latest. But I know there exists unnecessary vaccines out there that are just kind of really stupid to get (kind of like people freaking out about formaldehyde being in vaccines even though your body produces it and in general between what your body naturally produces and whats in a vaccine isn't enough to even do damage to your body there are exceptions when your body decides to kill you for whatever reason-usually because something is malfunctioning for one reason or another-and then naturally occuring chemicals in your body get to toxic levels but that's not the case with your average person). And no, off the top of my head I can't think of them. I'm going to bed and hopefully going to sleep for 12 hours since I have another long night tomorrow and tomorrow will most likely be as hot as today.

 

[Thaluikhain]

But...what about all those people that got vaccinations, and they died[footnote]After they were conscripted and sent to fight in Vietnam many years later[/footnote]?

 

[Eamar]

I've only ever heard of pensioners getting annual flu-shots. Pensioners and people who have particularly weak immune systems.

Actually, a surprisingly large number of people can benefit from it. In the UK they're offered to young kids, the elderly, pregnant women and people with compromised immune systems as you'd expect, but also everyone with conditions like asthma (that's why I get mine), which is a pretty large chunk of the population.

 

[Dragonbums]

For me the issue isn't that there are people who don't believe in vaccinations. If said diseases contained themselves to the fucking idiots who deny them, then they can go decompose in a grave. Only regret is that they take their children down with them.

The thing is is that by them not taking vaccinations they are putting surrounding people at risk. What if this family was in the process of getting vaccinations and they get hit with small pox because the dumbass next door didn't believe in that stuff caught the disease and is spreading it around. Now your all suffering from it too. We should not be dying from disease that have for the most part been wiped off the but of the Earth for decades now.

 

[teebeeohh]

while we are at it, why not discuss gravity? does it actually exist or do we just fall down becase in our heart we love mother earth so much?

 

[Majinash]

I think before being given a vaccine, the health professional administering the vaccine should give the person getting said vaccine the *CORRECT* information as to what vaccine they will be getting at least a week prior so that the person can have that week to read the material and if they so wish, to do additional research on the vaccine to make the informed decision to get the vaccine.

Ok, I hope I don't come off too impolite but your statement really irks me.

Why does the health care professional have to give you information about it? You're on the internet right now. If you are going to get a vaccine, look it up ahead of time. Go into the situation educated. Be proactive.

Sometimes you're going to get a shot without expecting it (like a rabies shot) and you won't have time to read up on it. But there isn't much of a chance a doctor is going to let you walk out and "think it over" for a week if you've been bitten by an animal that might be rabid, that's a potentially fatal condition.

But other than those odd situations, how often do you get a vaccine that you don't know about ahead of time?

This is about people being more responsible for THEIR OWN health. Doctors are always on your side, and will look out for your best interests the best they can. But really what excuse do you have NOT to already know about the shot you had to set up 2 weeks ago?

 

[Blow_Pop]

I think before being given a vaccine, the health professional administering the vaccine should give the person getting said vaccine the *CORRECT* information as to what vaccine they will be getting at least a week prior so that the person can have that week to read the material and if they so wish, to do additional research on the vaccine to make the informed decision to get the vaccine.

Ok, I hope I don't come off too impolite but your statement really irks me.

Why does the health care professional have to give you information about it? You're on the internet right now. If you are going to get a vaccine, look it up ahead of time. Go into the situation educated. Be proactive.

Sometimes you're going to get a shot without expecting it (like a rabies shot) and you won't have time to read up on it. But there isn't much of a chance a doctor is going to let you walk out and "think it over" for a week if you've been bitten by an animal that might be rabid, that's a potentially fatal condition.

But other than those odd situations, how often do you get a vaccine that you don't know about ahead of time?

This is about people being more responsible for THEIR OWN health. Doctors are always on your side, and will look out for your best interests the best they can. But really what excuse do you have NOT to already know about the shot you had to set up 2 weeks ago?

Because *MOST* vaccines (at least around here) are given to children under the age of 5 and parents are ridiculously stupid otherwise the whole vaccine argument wouldn't even be necessary to have. Also, there are different strains(I think that's correct terminology? but basically different versions) of various vaccines so it helps to know which one you're getting. Considering we have adults who are genuinely surprised that they have to stop for a stop sign or a red light, who have lived here their entire life(I have unfortunately met some)......People are idiots basically. And sometimes, this is my experience from my childhood which I'm surprised I actually accurately remember(consulted parents on it and they confirmed it), you take your child in for general checkup and then the doctor surprises you and tells you your child is getting a vaccine that day. So no, you don't always know that your appointment is going to be scheduled to get a vaccine.

Also, this is the absolute last I'm saying on this topic. I don't have the energy to deal with responses.

 

[Varrdy]

Every time an anti-vaccination idiot speaks I am filled with an uncontrollable urge to beat them to death with a rolled up copy of Heat that's been set in concrete.

Yeah the Polio vaccination tasted fucking awful (I was deemed too old for the old sugar cube) but I'd sooner have a bad case of "lemon face" than Polio, personally!

TB jab? Well it left a small, white scar on my left arm. Hardly autism now is it, moms with no brains for something-or-other.

I might not like kids much but if you insist on foisting your brainless shit on your offspring then I get to call for them to be taken into care, ASAP!

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

Well there was this one time I got a vaccine and died instantly 5 years later in car crash. 1/10 would not recommend.

 

[joshuaayt]

I'm not sure if this thread really needs to exist:

Which one is right?
A- The right one
B- The wrong one
C- Pop culture reference

Like, we already know you have a side in the argument, you might as well phrase it so it is an argument.

Anyway, my part- vaccinations are good, get your kids vaccinated, etc. I'm sure this is a unique and exciting take on this discussion.

 

[Something Amyss]

Pro vaccination. Absolutely no reason not to be.

There is no controversy if you have even the most basic understanding of the science involved and the studies done to investigate supposed side effects like autism.

Which is why it's so popular in the US, where knowledge is demonised.

Hm, the aftermath of Dr Wakefield's "research" is still having an impact still this very day. Thankfully I don't think it as bad as it was a few years ago.

Considering Jenny McCarthy, one of the celebrity faces of it, appears to be on the run, it might be in decline.

is this....a thing?

unless youre an anti-vaxxer everyone thinks their good

Didn't you just answer your own question?

Speaking, of, the numbers have about a third of Americans not believing in vaccines last I knew. And that's why we're getting outbreaks of perfectly preventable diseases in big cities in the US.

Also, we oppose the HPV vaccine because people fear removing the risk of danger will encourage young girls to have sex.

Because pregnancy, STIs, and other risks have thus far been amazing and preventing kids from getting it on.

 

[Vault101]

Also, we oppose the HPV vaccine because people fear removing the risk of danger will encourage young girls to have sex.
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please tell me your joking

....I know some minories in "Murica" belive some crazyer things but....thats so wrong on so many levels...

 

[Signa]

In a sane world there would have been severe criminal repercussions for Jenny McCarthy. Alas such a world does not exist.

I responded with this:
http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
and then the Escapist died, so I forgot what I said about it.

Anyway, if you did see it before, it at least is here for the thread and everyone else.

 

[Cecilo]

I don't understand how it puts less healthy people in any danger, I assume they were smart enough to get vaccinations, which means they should be immunized to any diseases the idiots didn't vaccinate for. Don't get me wrong, I still find people that don't vaccinate their children more than a little foolish, I just don't understand how it puts anyone who is smart enough to have it done in any danger.

 

[Branindain]

Yikes. Well I guess by those standards, I'm the most anti-vaccine person here. My position is, I'm pro-vaccine in general, but a chemical cocktail with a valid purpose is still a chemical cocktail, and I'm sure as hell going to do my homework in each instance before I inject said cocktail into my young child. I'm not just going to shut my eyes and jab because SOCIETY. People get big legal payouts all the time from these things going awry, and I've seen, with my own eyes, someone get injected and then taken off in an ambulance a few minutes later.

Having said that, from the metric shit-tonne of immunisations that are given out these days (about 40 I think for little children, often in the form of multiple immunisations with one jab) the number that I've actually had to refuse is exactly one. I'm just saying you have to look into these things and not just be ideological about it.

 

[Jacco]

I don't understand how it puts less healthy people in any danger, I assume they were smart enough to get vaccinations, which means they should be immunized to any diseases the idiots didn't vaccinate for. Don't get me wrong, I still find people that don't vaccinate their children more than a little foolish, I just don't understand how it puts anyone who is smart enough to have it done in any danger.

Some people may have a genetic disorder or an allergy to something in the vaccine which prevents them from being able to get it. Or they might have an immunodeficiency which prevents them from being able to get it. In any case, they rely on the rest of us to get our vaccines so that the diseases they can't get immunized for don't spread and they don't catch it. It's called herd immunity and it is the primary reason we don't see many of the diseases from 100 years ago even though most of us haven't received a Smallpox or Polio vaccine.

Yikes. Well I guess by those standards, I'm the most anti-vaccine person here. My position is, I'm pro-vaccine in general, but a chemical cocktail with a valid purpose is still a chemical cocktail, and I'm sure as hell going to do my homework in each instance before I inject said cocktail into my young child. I'm not just going to shut my eyes and jab because SOCIETY. People get big legal payouts all the time from these things going awry, and I've seen, with my own eyes, someone get injected and then taken off in an ambulance a few minutes later.

Having said that, from the metric shit-tonne of immunisations that are given out these days (about 40 I think for little children, often in the form of multiple immunisations with one jab) the number that I've actually had to refuse is exactly one. I'm just saying you have to look into these things and not just be ideological about it.

The issue there is that most people are incapable or otherwise unable to understand the scientific literature. If you pulled up the actual study of the vaccine you are researching, would you really be able to understand exactly what they are talking about and the repercussions of it? That's where things like the autism theory come from. People simply do not understand to to read it right and get the wrong idea.

 

[Jacco]

Also, we oppose the HPV vaccine because people fear removing the risk of danger will encourage young girls to have sex.

I think that is a gross oversimplification of the issue. People are against HPV for some dumb reasons, but this is simply not true for a majority of them. Believe it or not, we don't live in a puritan society and ultra-conservatives like that are the exception rather than the norm.

while we are at it, why not discuss gravity? does it actually exist or do we just fall down becase in our heart we love mother earth so much?

Gravity doesn't exist. Everyone knows this. We are being held close to Mother Earth's bosom because she loves us so. Scientific fact. Look it up.

Ok, I'll take the health meter shot, fuck you and your poll for obvious reasons. I think vaccines are good but I voted no just for shitty poll making. Way to throw shit at the opposition right out of the gate and not cultivate fair discussion or debate in anyway.

The poll wasn't meant to be scientific or in any way significant. So yeah, fuck me for making a joke out of a meaningless internet poll.

 

[Something Amyss]

please tell me your joking

I wish I could, but....

....I know some minories in "Murica" belive some crazyer things but....thats so wrong on so many levels...

I'm not even sure this counts as a minority for most purposes. It's pretty mainstream to be against anything that might "promote" sex, even if it saves lives.

I think that is a gross oversimplification of the issue. People are against HPV for some dumb reasons, but this is simply not true for a majority of them. Believe it or not, we don't live in a puritan society and ultra-conservatives like that are the exception rather than the norm.

When more people are against the HPV vaccine than the ones that "cause autism," I don't think you can call this a gross simplification. Worst part? The numbers supporting HPV vaccination went down in the last eight years. Further, when it comes to parental consent, approval of people who support it not being necessary drops when you mention HPV vaccine over other STI treatments. You can call it ultraconservative, but in the US, these views on sex really aren't abnormal. Hell, it's only in the last few years that non abstinence-only policies got majority support (overall).