Poll: What is the biggest problem with the Mass Effect 3 ending? (spoilers!)
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So in your opinion was there anything wrong at all with the ending. Do you at least recognize that with the relays gone Earth in a best case scenario is looking at some serious issues.SajuukKhar said:
Also you have to recognize that the whole normandy sequence is a mess.
There is no "genocide" choicemgs16925 said:
Earth is looking at some exceedingly temporary issues, in fact Earth is relatively OK if you get enough war assets.feeqmatic said:
Also because the Normand going into the relay to escape a death beam is contrived?
...What about the whole saving all organic life in the galaxy from being destroyed or harvested?ChrisRedfield92 said:
If you played the first game, the Reapers' motivation is made very, very, very, extremely clear. And the entire series is Shepard's story, so it makes a lot of sense to end with Shepard instead of going into some kind of celebration montage or whatever.
That's another thing i wanted to know - the reapers aren't exactly invincible. Why doesn't humanity have a railgun accelerating 100kg to 1.5x lightspeed on every one of the larger ships?
That would make it around 6x more powerful than the current weapons they're trying to fight the reapers with, and are entirely within the ability of humanity to make and operate - to generate the massive power needed, simply drop the shields. They're useless against the reapers anyway.
Which will then be dropped by about 1/2 when all that organic life starves or dies from disease.
There will then be another 10-15% ish taken from the remainder when wars inevitably break out due to destruction of society, and, say, 5% from suicides when people can never again see their loved ones.
Congrats, you allowed a small amount of the life in the galaxy to survive in a shitty existence and everyone you personally know and care about is going to die a slow, agonizing death.
That would make it around 6x more powerful than the current weapons they're trying to fight the reapers with, and are entirely within the ability of humanity to make and operate - to generate the massive power needed, simply drop the shields. They're useless against the reapers anyway.
You save most of the organic life in the galaxy.Phlakes said:
Which will then be dropped by about 1/2 when all that organic life starves or dies from disease.
There will then be another 10-15% ish taken from the remainder when wars inevitably break out due to destruction of society, and, say, 5% from suicides when people can never again see their loved ones.
Congrats, you allowed a small amount of the life in the galaxy to survive in a shitty existence and everyone you personally know and care about is going to die a slow, agonizing death.
A race already tired that, remember in Me2 the derelict Reaper which was destroyed by a massive gun so powerful it blew a giant trench across an entire planet?madster11 said:
So why doesn't humanity attempt it?SajuukKhar said:
They already have the guns made. They simply need to add more mass and add more power. Hell, they could probably slightly modify the guns already installed in the ships to shoot 40kg slugs instead of 20kg. That's double the firepower at the cost of nothing but their (useless) shields, all before we start creating new weapons.
They could even ram a Normandy sized ship into a reaper at FTL if they got desperate, which would sure as hell do some damage.
Becausemadster11 said:
1. It failed miserably
2. a gun that large would be super costly, and require a impracticable levels of element zero to power
3. they probably find it better to make ships then make ONE giant gun.
I disliked all three of the ending greatly, but not because Shepard died. In fact, I actually was expecting that from the beginning. No what was really irritating about the end is, and the reason that it ruined the game for me, was that there was no closure at any point. This was supposed to be an ending to a trilogy that I have been following for years.
I have put in hundreds, literally hundreds, of hours to be able to see all the subtle differences between the various story lines and characters that you can build. I've always liked to see the interactions between the characters and that was the sole reason I played these games.
To see all of my time, money and effort come to this? Really, that is what I was waiting for? I wasn't upset about the end because it was sad; I was upset that all of my time and thought that I put into my story was gone in a single decision. The story wasn't mine anymore and my Shepard wasn't allowed to act in character.
Honestly, Commander Shepard, badass of the universe who told reapers to go to hell, would just listen to a computer program that is telling her that synthetics are going to destroy all organics every single time (I'm not even to go into depth about how this is contradicted in the game)? Wouldn't it seem more like Shepard to try to talk it down, you know like every other major boss in the series?
It felt like the entire premise of the game was thrown out the window and I was somehow watching the end of an entirely unrelated game. Why did they find it necessary to add in that bizarre little boy at the end when he wasn't even hinted at the entire game? Would it not have been a touching and powerful ending if Anderson and Shepard both just died watching what they had saved. The tragic loss of the hero would still be there, without any ridiculous plot twists.
Even if the endings now are kept, why not have an epilogue of some sort to explain what happen to all the other character that I have grown to care about over the years? I would be happy with the text boxes that we got in DA:O. I would pay for the damn ending just to be able to see what all my effort was worth.
So to conclude, the ending of Mass Effect 3 was so disheartening that I couldn't enjoy the rest of my 34 hours and 26 minutes of game play simply because of the last 10 minutes of the game. The heart, the spark that made the game fantastic, was just gone. I didn't want to play anymore knowing that my effort and time would all be for nothing. Again.
I have put in hundreds, literally hundreds, of hours to be able to see all the subtle differences between the various story lines and characters that you can build. I've always liked to see the interactions between the characters and that was the sole reason I played these games.
To see all of my time, money and effort come to this? Really, that is what I was waiting for? I wasn't upset about the end because it was sad; I was upset that all of my time and thought that I put into my story was gone in a single decision. The story wasn't mine anymore and my Shepard wasn't allowed to act in character.
Honestly, Commander Shepard, badass of the universe who told reapers to go to hell, would just listen to a computer program that is telling her that synthetics are going to destroy all organics every single time (I'm not even to go into depth about how this is contradicted in the game)? Wouldn't it seem more like Shepard to try to talk it down, you know like every other major boss in the series?
It felt like the entire premise of the game was thrown out the window and I was somehow watching the end of an entirely unrelated game. Why did they find it necessary to add in that bizarre little boy at the end when he wasn't even hinted at the entire game? Would it not have been a touching and powerful ending if Anderson and Shepard both just died watching what they had saved. The tragic loss of the hero would still be there, without any ridiculous plot twists.
Even if the endings now are kept, why not have an epilogue of some sort to explain what happen to all the other character that I have grown to care about over the years? I would be happy with the text boxes that we got in DA:O. I would pay for the damn ending just to be able to see what all my effort was worth.
So to conclude, the ending of Mass Effect 3 was so disheartening that I couldn't enjoy the rest of my 34 hours and 26 minutes of game play simply because of the last 10 minutes of the game. The heart, the spark that made the game fantastic, was just gone. I didn't want to play anymore knowing that my effort and time would all be for nothing. Again.
the synthetics destroying organics thing ISN'T contradicted in-game, the ONLY reason the Geth and Organics got together was because of the reaper attack.
Had The Reapers not shown up there is NOTHING in-game that suggest that they would have gotten along, in fact the quarrian and other races constant probing of their territory could have VERY easily started an Anti-Organic war.
I don't understand how people constantly fail to understand that just becuase The Geth were willing to work against the Reapers =/= mean they wouldn't have attacked organics had the reapers not shown up.
Had The Reapers not shown up there is NOTHING in-game that suggest that they would have gotten along, in fact the quarrian and other races constant probing of their territory could have VERY easily started an Anti-Organic war.
I don't understand how people constantly fail to understand that just becuase The Geth were willing to work against the Reapers =/= mean they wouldn't have attacked organics had the reapers not shown up.
The Geth never once wanted war with their creators. If anythin they wanted to just chill with them like they used to.SajuukKhar said:
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they only worked with reapers as the quarians attacked them and they where afraid of dying all the wars between the geth and quariansthe quarians started
they only worked with reapers as the quarians attacked them and they where afraid of dying all the wars between the geth and quariansthe quarians started
The Geth had never wanted war as far as the past in concerned, but to assume that just because they didn't want war up until now means that more decades of constant Quarrian and other organic aggression/paranoia/hatred of AI wouldn't cause them to do so is a flawed and basleess argument.shintakie10 said:
During a Mission on Rannoch, it was revealed that the Geth actually let the quarians escape rather then completely annihilate them. The Majority of Geth stay on Rannoch, content to stay neutral. In the first game, Anderson remarks that the Geth haven't been seen outside their home System, the Perseus Veil, since they forced the Quarians off their homeworld.SajuukKhar said:
The only aggressive Geth you face are the ones working for the Reapers. In fact, the Quarians and geth are only fighting because the Quarians invaded Rannoch... During the Reaper invasion.
The Geth were motivated by self-preservation, not territorially or Ambition. They would not launch an aggressive war unless they felt it was necessary to protect themselves.
Unless you chose the option of letting the Geth become fully self-aware sentient individuals, which throws out the entire argument of synthetics in the current timeline destroying organics, because they have been shown Shepard's example and I doubt such a sacrifice and gift given would be easily forgotten, I mean, they keep exact records from up to the time they were first made 2(or was it 3) centuries before.SajuukKhar said:
Yes because sapient individuals who were friends and/or allies have NEVER waged war against each other. All of that human history of near constant warfare and violence is made up also I guess.Jaeke said:
If anything giving the Geth true sentience makes them MORE likely to get into a war because as a hive mind like thing they were significantly easier to control and had to vote in near unison to get something to happen.
Now all it would take it a couple of Geth getting mad at some organics, or defending themselves over organic aggression, and in the process killing said organics to start a hate war.
It is the Matrix scenario incarnate.
basically agree, the tone and overall achievements of what you accomplish from the first two games become a major "WTF" and worth nothing when you get to the ending(s) of the third game, in which i now have next to no motivation to ever do marathon runs through all three games like i originally had planned for. i mean besides the ending, i love me3, but wow...they really did fuck up the whole "ultimate paragon" ending by giving us that. such a nip in the butt...iseeyouthere said:
Actually, for all of those saying that 'galactic civilization will recover', there's a glaring plot hole because of an established canon event in ME2. In the "Arrival" expansion, a mass effect relay is destroyed, and it is explicitly stated (and shown) that they have enough power to destroy the entire solar system they are stationed in. So... when *all* the Mass Relays blow up at the end of ME3 (any ending), there go a heck of a lot of solar systems. Including Earth.