Poll: What is the future of gaming culture for gamers?

[Something Amyss]

Anyway, I'm reminded of the whole Cross Assault "scandal." A dude said that sexual harassment was part of fighting game culture, people got pissed off, and it was forgotten in a week.

Because to change would mean...to make an effort.

 

[JoshuaNorton]

No fact checking was done whatsoever. They took her word for it. Surprise, surprise all the unwarranted attention let to her success.

Weird, that sounds very similar to what Gamergate did. To Quinn, no less.

I guess two wrongs make a right or something? I don't know. That's sort of what I take away from this. Bad people calling bad people bad people while refusing to rectify their own bad behaviour.

That's kinda what I take away from it as well.
No winners in this fight, we all lose.
What I really hate is how the bad journalists got the to women like Felicia Day or the female game devs the Escapist interviewed.
Now they feel under siege because Kotaku & co. are hysterically crying out "Holy shit, the gamer are coming to rape you!" in all directions.
They pitted the entertainers we love against us. I hope Kotaku burns for this. None of their people should ever find jobs in journalism again.

 

[Little Gray]

No fact checking was done whatsoever. They took her word for it. Surprise, surprise all the unwarranted attention let to her success.

Weird, that sounds very similar to what Gamergate did. To Quinn, no less.

I guess two wrongs make a right or something? I don't know. That's sort of what I take away from this. Bad people calling bad people bad people while refusing to rectify their own bad behaviour.

That's kinda what I take away from it as well.
No winners in this fight, we all lose.
What I really hate is how the bad journalists got the to women like Felicia Day or the female game devs the Escapist interviewed.
Now they feel under siege because Kotaku & co. are hysterically crying out "Holy shit, the gamer are coming to rape you!" in all directions.
They pitted the entertainers we love against us. I hope Kotaku burns for this. None of their people should ever find jobs in journalism again.

To be fair to Kotaku a lot of it was because people were threatening rape and murder. When all they had to do was point at Anita/Quinns/etc twitter pages it adds a lot to their credibility.

 

[Eddie the head]

I think I don't much care. I don't like to associate myself with groups. "Gamer" include. More often then not it sets up for disappointment or dogma, both of those I wish to avoid. You can call me whatever. Objectification is really something we all have to do. But I don't think of myself as that.

 

[Nomanslander]

Gamergate has been branded as a backwards misogynist movement lead by a bunch of fat basement dwelling virgin 30 year old neckbeard nerds attacking any females involved with gaming simply because they're female.

If there was ever a decent imagine of Gamergate. it's DEAD!

Expect nothing from it except more eggshells being strategically placed everywhere now that there's more females in gaming.

Have a good day.

 

[Something Amyss]

To be fair to Kotaku a lot of it was because people were threatening rape and murder. When all they had to do was point at Anita/Quinns/etc twitter pages it adds a lot to their credibility.

That requires being fair to Kotaku, though. I'm not sure that's possible in this discussion.

Gamergate has been branded as a backwards misogynist movement lead by a bunch of fat basement dwelling virgin 30 year old neckbeard nerds attacking any females involved with gaming simply because they're female.

So how does it differ from the image of geeks as a whole?

 

[cleric of the order]

With recent events of Gamergate escalating into mass media, I'm starting to get curious about where this all could lead to?

Do you expect a negative or a positive in the next year or two?
What scenario you think will play out if gamergate won or lose?

Does any of this matter to gaming?

I've been curious about it.
My ideal future is that win or lose, game sites may actually start to shape up for the better. Actually take ethics and journalism seriously.

Maybe games will not change and new and interesting kinds of games will be made.

The question is is gaming's future at risk in any form?
What do you think?

That's a future I can get behind.
Hell With what I've seen the media doing perhaps this whole GG thing will sweep up the whole American media along with it.
Because seriously, American news/media is really damn crooked and so damn complacent, at least try to be competent in your corruption, bloody yanks.

 

[Nomanslander]

Gamergate has been branded as a backwards misogynist movement lead by a bunch of fat basement dwelling virgin 30 year old neckbeard nerds attacking any females involved with gaming simply because they're female.

So how does it differ from the image of geeks as a whole?

Umm... big difference. Geeks are at least none threatening, a bunch of lovable losers always destined to be friend zoned by every girl they like.

Cutesy stuff.

The people behind gamergate... bomb threats? Rape threats? Forcing woman to quit out of fear?

Wow... simply WOW!!!

They've painted a whole new face on how ugly and backwards the gamer culture can be. It's like crossing a The Big Bang Theory geek with images of a southern rednecks hosing black people back in the 60s freedom marches.



Of course we're not talking about the reality of things, we're talking about stereotypical images. But with Gamergate, gamers have created a "new" stereotype behind what it takes to be one that's made them way way way more despicable compared to just social misfits.

 

[Adanos]

Gamergate has been branded as a backwards misogynist movement lead by a bunch of fat basement dwelling virgin 30 year old neckbeard nerds attacking any females involved with gaming simply because they're female.

So how does it differ from the image of geeks as a whole?

Umm... big difference. Geeks are at least none threatening, a bunch of lovable losers always destined to be friend zoned by every girl they like.

Cutesy stuff.

The people behind gamergate... bomb threats? Rape threats? Forcing woman to quit out of fear?

Wow... simply WOW!!!

They've painted a whole new face on how ugly and backwards the gamer culture can be. It's like crossing a The Big Bang Theory geek with images of a southern rednecks hosing black people back in the 60s freedom marches.



Of course we're not talking about the reality of things, we're talking about stereotypical images. But with Gamergate, gamers have created a "new" stereotype behind what it takes to be one that's made them way way way more despicable compared to just social misfits.

Because Gamergate is totally an organization.

 

[Phasmal]

I doubt much will change at all. Shitstorms always seem bigger when you're in the middle of them, but then they'll pass just like all the ones before did.

Perhaps we'll have one or two things change, and the immeadiate climate of the gaming community is probably going to be a bit shittier right now with the people who are in the middle of it generally being grumpy or having hurt feelings.

I don't worry for the future of gaming. Gamers.... eh.

 

[MrFalconfly]

Umm... big difference. Geeks are at least none threatening, a bunch of lovable losers always destined to be friend zoned by every girl they like.

Cutesy stuff.

Not unlike gamers then. Although I do have a gripe with "loser". You aren't a loser just because you identify as a geek, or a nerd, or a gamer (that is why I have an issue with Sam Biddle and his pro-bully tweets)

The people behind gamergate... bomb threats? Rape threats? Forcing woman to quit out of fear?

Wow... simply WOW!!!

They've painted a whole new face on how ugly and backwards the gamer culture can be. It's like crossing a The Big Bang Theory geek with images of a southern rednecks hosing black people back in the 60s freedom marches.

This is the internet.

I've had death-threats for just explaining some guy that the Big Bang wasn't an explosion, but an expansion of Space-Time.

Now that doesn't mean I excuse those sending death-threats, or rape-threats. That just means that I acknowledge the threat of the medium I communicate on (and my personal opinion on the arseholes who did send death threats, regardless what they identify with, or who they sent death threats against is that they're fucking arseholes).

Of course we're not talking about the reality of things, we're talking about stereotypical images. But with Gamergate, gamers have created a "new" stereotype behind what it takes to be one that's made them way way way more despicable compared to just social misfits.

You know what I hate about words like "tainted" or "stereotypical" or "poisoning the well"?

They give the picture that it can't be fixed. That nothing can be fixed. Well I'm of the opinion that nothing is so screwed up that it can't be fixed, with enough time and work.

#Gamergate is far from dead. And gamers, whether they identify with any kind of gender or race, are tired of being marginalized and lied to.

Remember who some of the Anti-GG'ers are.

Sam Biddle

https://twitter.com/samfbiddle/status/522771721926213632

Max Reed.

https://twitter.com/max_read/status/522878916982472704

Now this is just my personal opinion, but those aren't really people that I want to associate with (and they are one of the reasons why I have begun associating with #Gamergate. Because I'm tired of bullies controlling my life, controlling my preferences. Another reason is that while the Anti-GG'ers are busy creating smokescreens and media-kerfuffle #Gamergate actually did stuff, tried to help. 70,000 USD for "Women making Video Games For Charity" https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2

Not to mention the 16,000 USD that was raised for PACER.

https://www.crowdrise.com/gamergatestompsoutbullying/fundraiser/loping

)

 

[babinro]

Voted: Nothing will change.

We've been hearing about the imminent crash of the video game market for a couple console generations now. Even video game saving services like Steam have become vilified with practices as Jim Sterling constantly points out on his show and in squirty plays.

Despite all the supposed hate and boycotts for these companies they still seem to remain relevant in the gaming market. Hell, Xbox One did just about everything you could do wrong and yet the system has done surprisingly well especially in North America. If any console seemingly deserved to fail as bad as say the Atari Jaguar or the Virtual Boy it's this one.

When I say 'nothing will change' I don't mean it literally. Obviously the gaming industry is constantly changing especially with technology changing. What I mean to say is that gaming will largely remain the same. AAA companies will continue to be the focus and play it safe. Plenty of copy cats will take advantage of any big name successes. We'll continue to see plenty of terrible business decisions that put perceived profits well above any added quality of consumer benefit. Nostalgia will still continue to be primarily mobile and indie driven. Sequels and brand recognition will continue to take the forefront over new IP's and experimentation. Gaming advancement will continue to be about graphical enhancements first while story/character/option customization enhancements lag behind by generations.

Note: I responded strictly to the question posed in the title and the poll. I did not opt to answer this in relation to the direct impact of gamergate since I don't follow that subject enough to speak with confidence about it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Umm... big difference. Geeks are at least none threatening, a bunch of lovable losers always destined to be friend zoned by every girl they like.

Except when they're viewed as the bitter loner writing revenge fiction.

Because Gamergate is totally an organization.

Pretty sure nothing said in that post requires "them" to be an organisation.

Because seriously, American news/media is really damn crooked and so damn complacent, at least try to be competent in your corruption, bloody yanks.

And the corruption has spread to the UK, with papers like the Guardian being whined about by GGers. You think Canadia is safe? It's only a matter of time! TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!

 

[cleric of the order]

Because seriously, American news/media is really damn crooked and so damn complacent, at least try to be competent in your corruption, bloody yanks.

And the corruption has spread to the UK, with papers like the Guardian being whined about by GGers. You think Canadia is safe? It's only a matter of time! TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!

Dude I already knew that.
The political attack dog things the states has spreading up here through what was then know as the Albertian alliance party.
The next generation of liberals and even NDP have been going this as well.
When asked about it by a couple lads I know the liberal party booster said simply they have enough money to have attack adds and political favors to sway journalistic perspective, why not do it.
And the same is true for the AA, perhaps more so the bleeding Albertians.
This sort of corruption and content laxity has been spreading throughout the western media for years now, a sign of our own ethical, political and general decay.
I hope GG unravels as much of this as possible.
Letting slide a torrent of necrotic flesh and cancerous growths that is mordern journalism.
I don't expect it to happen but I can hope.
This blight was spawned out of America and can only really be killed there.
I'd be in Ecstasy if it was one of those two bit, pea brained, gibbering, leach tongued, trust fund cabbage patch babies we call games journalists to bring the whole tower of babbling morons down.

 

[ThreeName]

Umm... big difference. Geeks are at least none threatening, a bunch of lovable losers always destined to be friend zoned by every girl they like.

Cutesy stuff.

I don't think you have the slightest clue what the average person's perception of a nerd/geek/gamer/whatever is.

Protip: It's not positive. It's not non-threatening, and it's certainly not lovable. Big Bang Theory this ain't.

 

[Nomanslander]

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Ugh...

Personally, the way I see it. Anyone that loves this culture and is siding with Gamergate is shooting themselves in the foot. Let's all face the facts, PEOPLE LIKE ANITA ARE GOING TO DO GOOD IN THE LONG RUN. Right now there's a lot more female gamers in this medium then people think, and to gripe on that has to be the most backward unproductive thing I can imagine anyone that calls themselves "gamers" to do. Hating casuals was more of a stupid E-peen thing, I can get that. It's really just warmless. Hating on female gamers and them wanting their own take of this medium?


I mean...

You see...

We live in a culture that really doesn't seem to mature much after high school. And most gamers/geeks/none jocks high school days are that of an awkward teenager too afraid to talk to girls or socialize much at all because hey haven't discovered themselves as a person to do so yet. The stereotypical nerd has ALWAYS been described as this. Now you have a bunch of what might be gamers in their 30s that seem to be holding a bunch of resentment from those awkward teenage years, and don't plan on growing up any time soon. Bashing on women just because in their idiot little minds all women still represent their failure to develop a social life. And they're trying to scare away woman from their hobby so they can continue living in a shell they feel safe in, "nerd gamer refuge where they can relive their NES days over and over and over again" because the fear is if female gamers start to move in, they might be forced to move out.

I don't know...

I find it all so pathetic really. What the gaming community needs to do is grow the fuck up. Gamergate IS about misogyny. No doubt about it. Because if the real worry was about the ethics of game journalism, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THAT, and no mention of misogyny would have been made.

I personally do have a gripe over the ethics of game journalism in its present state, but no way in fuck will I get behind Gamergate.

0.o

 

[MrFalconfly]

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Ugh...

Personally, the way I see it. Anyone that loves this culture and is siding with Gamergate is shooting themselves in the foot. Let's all face the facts, PEOPLE LIKE ANITA ARE GOING TO DO GOOD IN THE LONG RUN. Right now there's a lot more female gamers in this medium then people think, and to gripe on that has to be the most backward unproductive thing I can imagine anyone that calls themselves "gamers" to do. Hating casuals was more of a stupid E-peen thing, I can get that. It's really just warmless. Hating on female gamers and them wanting their own take of this medium?


I mean...

You see...

We live in a culture that really doesn't seem to mature much after high school. And most gamers/geeks/none jocks high school days are that of an awkward teenager too afraid to talk to girls or socialize much at all because hey haven't discovered themselves as a person to do so yet. The stereotypical nerd has ALWAYS been described as this. Now you have a bunch of what might be gamers in their 30s that seem to be holding a bunch of resentment from those awkward teenage years, and don't plan on growing up any time soon. Bashing on women just because in their idiot little minds all women still represent their failure to develop a social life. And they're trying to scare away woman from their hobby so they can continue living in a shell they feel safe in, "nerd gamer refuge where they can relive their NES days over and over and over again" because the fear is if female gamers start to move in, they might be forced to move out.

I don't know...

I find it all so pathetic really. What the gaming community needs to do is grow the fuck up. Gamergate IS about misogyny. No doubt about it. Because if the real worry was about the ethics of game journalism, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THAT, and no mention of misogyny would have been made.

I personally do have a gripe over the ethics of game journalism in its present state, but no way in fuck will I get behind Gamergate.

0.o

What has Anita got to do with anything regarding #Gamergate?

At the most she just conned a some well-meaning people out of money so she could make some Youtube vid's using clips from other people's Let's Play videos.

She's irrelevant (at least to my arguments).

The only beef I've had with Anita was in her vid showcasing socalled "desecration of objectified women", that were put there for the "sexual gratification of White Male gamers" in Hitman Absolution.

Now I've played the game (and I am Caucasian, and male), and if I objectified those strippers, it was because I saw them as a "security threat" (basically a CCTV camera that I couldn't take out because they were the persons I was sent in to help), but that is the same mentality I have with any ingame characters in Stealth games.

Take it from me.

I'm not misogynistic (I'm Danish. Over here the primary "gender equality" issue seems to be if it's just as easy for men to be hired as kindergarden helpers as it is for women)

If #Gamergate was about "keepin' dem wemmin out o' our vidya gaems" then I wouldn't align with them.

However. I can't stand idly by when journalists collude with the very companies they are supposed to cover independently. Journalists are supposed to be our representatives in the industry. They are supposed to be the one voice we can trust (companies and advertisement lying to me, I can handle. But when the very people who are supposed to give us unbiased, and most importantly true coverage are themselves lying, that's when I say stop).

 

[Nomanslander]

What has Anita got to do with anything regarding #Gamergate?

It's taken over, there's nothing that can be done to take it back. You might be interested in the corruption of game journalism, and only that. But the minute you say, "Gamer Gate," everyone is going to think of the stuff I mentioned and start asking you questions like, "have you ever berating someone online because of their gender," and it's going to be taken in a direction you don't want it to go.

That's just he nature of the beast.