Poll: What is the future of gaming culture for gamers?

[MrFalconfly]

What has Anita got to do with anything regarding #Gamergate?

It's taken over, there's nothing that can be done to take it back. You might be interested in the corruption of game journalism, and only that. But the minute you say, "Gamer Gate," everyone is going to think of the stuff I mentioned and start asking you questions like, "have you ever berating someone online because of their gender," and it's going to be taken in a direction you don't want it to go.

That's just he nature of the beast.

"But the minute you say, "Gamer Gate," everyone is going to think of the stuff I mentioned"

And that is why I return to my original statement that "Nothing is so screwed up that it can't be fixed".

I don't care that people think "Misogyny" when I say #Gamergate.

#Gamergate is like Anonymous when it comes to that. It's like a colony of microbes. It's not a giant organism (or organisation), and the acts of bad apples don't reflect on the collective.

I associate with #Gamergate exactly because they want to fix the dismal state of Gaming Journalism.

I identify as a Gamer, precisely because that's what I am. I play videogames, I'm an enthusiast.

And I'm sick and tired of being marginalized, just because I happen to have pale skin, a Y-chromosome and have an interest in videogames.

Apparently I'm a racist, just because I'm more likely to be sunburned in the summer.

Apparently I'm a misogynist only because I'm capable of standing up while taking a piss.

And apparently I'm some kind of reactionary, cellar-dwelling, unhygienic neanderthal, just because I identify as a Gamer.

No!

That is not how it works.

You want to have a discussion? Fine, ask me anything, but don't make assumptions based on my skin-tone, my gender, or my interests.

 

[thanatos388]

Seeing as how most people don't care about gamergate or care more about appearing to be "correct" than listen to them. It will probably only get good. More people are still getting into games development and those people are getting more varied. More people are playing video games and that will only increase. Like Yahtzee said one day everyone over 40 will be dead and games will be no different from movies or books in mainstream culture. And at the end of the day games journalism is one of the least important things in the medium (mostly because games don't need it and also because it's mostly opinion pieces). So yeah, things can only go up, games are too big for the culture to recede now I think.

 

[Slayer4472]

Honestly, I'm feeling pretty goddamn optimistic. The gaming industry is finally having its lovely little brushfire; soon enough the indies will get their shit back together, and when the inevitable AAA crash happens we'll have plenty of independant alternatives to tide us over.

 

[kilenem]

Depending on how big the Chinese market gets games will probably be less developed for American audiences. Granted they would have to combat piracy. I hope every game doesn't turn into transformers for where its just Explosions with very little story so it can appeal to a bigger audience.

 

[Artaneius]

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Ugh...

Personally, the way I see it. Anyone that loves this culture and is siding with Gamergate is shooting themselves in the foot. Let's all face the facts, PEOPLE LIKE ANITA ARE GOING TO DO GOOD IN THE LONG RUN. Right now there's a lot more female gamers in this medium then people think, and to gripe on that has to be the most backward unproductive thing I can imagine anyone that calls themselves "gamers" to do. Hating casuals was more of a stupid E-peen thing, I can get that. It's really just warmless. Hating on female gamers and them wanting their own take of this medium?


I mean...

You see...

We live in a culture that really doesn't seem to mature much after high school. And most gamers/geeks/none jocks high school days are that of an awkward teenager too afraid to talk to girls or socialize much at all because hey haven't discovered themselves as a person to do so yet. The stereotypical nerd has ALWAYS been described as this. Now you have a bunch of what might be gamers in their 30s that seem to be holding a bunch of resentment from those awkward teenage years, and don't plan on growing up any time soon. Bashing on women just because in their idiot little minds all women still represent their failure to develop a social life. And they're trying to scare away woman from their hobby so they can continue living in a shell they feel safe in, "nerd gamer refuge where they can relive their NES days over and over and over again" because the fear is if female gamers start to move in, they might be forced to move out.

I don't know...

I find it all so pathetic really. What the gaming community needs to do is grow the fuck up. Gamergate IS about misogyny. No doubt about it. Because if the real worry was about the ethics of game journalism, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THAT, and no mention of misogyny would have been made.

I personally do have a gripe over the ethics of game journalism in its present state, but no way in fuck will I get behind Gamergate.

0.o

It is the right of the gaming community to decide whether it wants to "grow up" or not. It is the right of the gaming community to decide what it wants and needs are. People outside don't have any right to demand or change a community that doesn't wish to. If the gaming community wants to change, let them do so at their own pace. No one has the right to "demand" respect or authority in which they haven't earned around here. I know plenty of men and woman that are gamers, but unless they do something to earn my respect to actually listen to their "opinions" of what's right or wrong in gaming, they are pretty much going to be ignored. You earn gamers respect, it's not given to you. This isn't RL where some documents written in 18th and 19th centuries say that I have to listen to you and "respect" what you say. This is the internet. Where you better have some damn credentials under your belt before I give a shit what you say about anything gaming related. Such as winning competitive tournaments, developed successful games, made great mods, or done anything of value to the gaming communities.

 

[FPLOON]

Well, things will change and not change both predictably and unpredictably, but it would either be positive and/or negative depending on which angle you see this playing out from... In terms of Gamergate, it becomes a circle that would be written down in, at least, two different ways with more misunderstandings than the cause and effect of the gaming crash of 1983 in my opinion...

Overall, more gaming diffusion will occure over time, bring both the good, the bad, and the booty along with it...

Spoiler: I have no doubt that the future of gaming will be bright and utopic...

As soon as individual game communities increase moderation/self-policing and become more welcoming environments. And game community sites in general step up moderation/self-policing. And the public perception of video game culture cleans up and gains a little more legitimacy. And Twitter dies. Once all these things happen, gaming's future will be a candy-soaked dream of double rainbows for a long time to come.

Spoiler: Man butts! Man butts as far as the eye can see!

Honestly, I do feel like it'll be business as usual with a couple newer experiences being made. Character Customization is probably a area we will see a consistent change to accommodate all walks of life and creed. Heck, instead of a gender slider, their just might be a list of body types and nothing else, or a massive ridiculous list of gender signifiers. I just know of all the groups, the lgbt crowd will win out the most in this. That part I'm cool with.

Spoiler: Booty booty booty booty! Rocking everywhere!!

But seriously, I see a future where the character customization would be so in-dept, it's like you're already playing a whole other game within the game the devs have created from the ground up... Then again, the only limitation I can see right now is how consistent it can get with an almost-surreal gender-neutral story to either compensates for the, basically, huge character customization options and/or make great use of spoken dialogue exchanges between the player and various NPCs...

Also, more shapeshifter-based characters... I mean, who doesn't want to play as a customizable shapeshifting-based character?

 

[grassgremlin]

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Don't you think "blind hatred of women" is a bit cartoonish a motif for a movement with hundreds, maybe thousands of people?

This is literally the one piece of narrative I still don't understand about gamergate.
Sure, there's some people with questionable political leanings, one's a holocaust denier and their chief journalist thinks transgendered people have a mental disorder . . .

. . . but I'll continue to laugh at the narrative of "They want all women to leave gaming.", "They hate women and think women are intruders" . . . this is laughable. Maybe there's a few dingus's with that goal, but they are dingus's for a reason.

If gamergate was about ending the wominz, wouldn't it have ended already? Even MRAs aren't referred, continuously openly mocked and not even reported on. That's how dumb they are.

This isn't a cartoon. This is reality.
And if we're gonna be frank, then who the heck is Jennie Bharaj then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwLyjcQ6SU&list=UUvixJtaXuNdMPUGdOPcY8Ag

Sorry, but I never met or spoken with someone who identifies with gamer and wants to stop women from participating.
I have however met many who are anti-feminist. Last I check Anti-feminist =/= Hate Women.

. . . Gamergate is still shit though as long as King of Pol is part of it.

 

[Nomanslander]

Don't you think "blind hatred of women" is a bit cartoonish a motif for a movement with hundreds, maybe thousands of people?

Sometimes... actually, a lot of times... people can be that cartoonishly awful. I've met some misogynist in my time, I know how they are and think. They exist!

Anyways, it's not the hundreds and thousands that are part of a group that make something like Gamergate look bad. It's the vocal minority.

If people want to pursue questioning game journalism when it comes to wrong doing, they should do under a different banner. Gamergate is poison now.

:/

 

[MrFalconfly]

Sometimes... actually, a lot of times... people can be that cartoonishly awful. I've met some misogynist in my time, I know how they are and think. They exist!

Yeah. I've seen the tweets too of so-called gamergater misogynists.

Funnily enough the worst didn't use the hashtag. They just seemed like arseholes who got lopped into #Gamergate, presumably by people who had a grudge against #Gamergate

Anyways, it's not the hundreds and thousands that are part of a group that make something like Gamergate look bad. It's the vocal minority.

Ah, the famed "vocal minority".

That's never an excuse. Case in point, Westboro Baptist Church. They're pretty vocal, and they are a minority of Christianity. Do we judge the entirety of Christendom by the ravings of WBC now?!?

If people want to pursue questioning game journalism when it comes to wrong doing, they should do under a different banner. Gamergate is poison now.

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#Gamergate is poison?

Really? That's all you can come up with.

So you really think poisoning the well is a viable tactic?

Mate, nothing is so screwed up that it can't be fixed.

You don't judge religions by the radical elements, nor do you judge an entire videogame genre by one example (like judging all shooters ever, by how Call of Duty: World at War is).

Don't dictate what people should, and shouldn't do.

 

[thanatos388]

Sometimes... actually, a lot of times... people can be that cartoonishly awful. I've met some misogynist in my time, I know how they are and think. They exist!

Yeah. I've seen the tweets too of so-called gamergater misogynists.

Funnily enough the worst didn't use the hashtag. They just seemed like arseholes who got lopped into #Gamergate, presumably by people who had a grudge against #Gamergate

Anyways, it's not the hundreds and thousands that are part of a group that make something like Gamergate look bad. It's the vocal minority.

Ah, the famed "vocal minority".

That's never an excuse. Case in point, Westboro Baptist Church. They're pretty vocal, and they are a minority of Christianity. Do we judge the entirety of Christendom by the ravings of WBC now?!?

If people want to pursue questioning game journalism when it comes to wrong doing, they should do under a different banner. Gamergate is poison now.

:/

#Gamergate is poison?

Really? That's all you can come up with.

So you really think poisoning the well is a viable tactic?

Mate, nothing is so screwed up that it can't be fixed.

You don't judge religions by the radical elements, nor do you judge an entire videogame genre by one example (like judging all shooters ever, by how Call of Duty: World at War is).

Don't dictate what people should, and shouldn't do.

Now now, you're forgetting that gamergate is not like christianity or other subcultures because well we say so. Now be ashamed of yourself for aligning with misogynist white people. Do it. Take responsibility for the actions of strangers on the internet right now or you are condoning their actions.

Or do that and show us how little you really care about journalism, cause if you did you would not bother to talk about those misogynist or women.

Or just don't respond to people who believe that gamergate is evil by default. There is no way to win that argument. Same with many on the other side too. But thats because it has all devolved to a shit flinging contest in which no winner can possibly result from.

 

[liza01]

nah for me everything will change in the near future.i it's good or bad don't know it yet.the best example is this virtual game and if developed very well may hit a big change in our system.

 

[kyz2]

nah for me everything will change in the near future.i it's good or bad don't know it yet.the best example is this virtual game and if developed very well may hit a big change in our system.

- I'll agree with you. Time may pass and everything will change like anything else in the gaming world.

 

[deathbydeath]

Short Version: Nothing, as both sides of #GG has now lost any semblance of purpose and the whole fucking debacle is an inflamed orgy of lashing back against someone else's backlash.

Long Version: "Gaming Culture" is a myth.

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[MrHide-Patten]

The calavalcade of mediocrity will continue and my interest in games will slowly die with it. I should get back to drawing one of these days. Ergo 'Stay the Same' in a negative POV.

As much as peple would like to think otherwise, the bottom dollar drives the business, not the wills and voices of the people, so GamerGate amounted to didily squat.

 

[MrFalconfly]

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Remember mate.

We're gamers. We like to win. And we never back down from a fight (Christ that sounded better in my head).

Or just don't respond to people who believe that gamergate is evil by default. There is no way to win that argument. Same with many on the other side too. But thats because it has all devolved to a shit flinging contest in which no winner can possibly result from.

I suppose you're right. There are too many bellends on both sides of the fight.

Oh well. At least we can hope for more discussions like this (warning! It is 4 hours long).

 

[Uriel_Hayabusa]

People will still react very hostile to criticism as if they are somehow attacked by it. And they won't learn to deal with critique of things they like just because, especially since they thing their attempt to silence and censor is righteous.

Many (self-styled) critics seem to forget that criticism can go both ways: critics are allowed to critique something, and fans/creators of the thing they're critiquing are allowed to think it's nonsense or even outright ignore it.

'Gamer' as a term is now tainted and be it just with association with this stupid name. I stopped calling myself a gamer years ago, since the Cross Assault incident and the vocal support of sexism and racism. This whole ordeal now killed any chance for me to reconsider this.

I've been frequenting video game forums for well over 10 years and way I see it that which calls itself the 'gaming community' has always been a cesspool. Long before Gamergate, long before Jack Thompson even.

Speaking of Jackie-boy though, it still fascinates me that the gaming media now decries harassment and death threats yet treated the same type of behavior as funny back when he was the target. What's strange is that pointing this out will cause people to go ''But he tried to censor games!'' in what I can only construe as an implicit justification (or rationalization at the very least) for death threats.

 

[Popido]

The ride never ends. 4chan's plan to drive gaming culture in an constant state of conflict succeeded. Many people are now tied to our conflict and feed it. It is self-sustained, but still contained. Once #GamerGate cools down, another spill will take place.

It hasn't even begun yet.

Change will take place, and we will join the winners.

Short Version: Nothing, as both sides of #GG has now lost any semblance of purpose and the whole fucking debacle is an inflamed orgy of lashing back against someone else's backlash.

And it worked beautifully. By pretending to be monsters, they fought us and became monsters themselves. They're now forever scared with that, while #GamerGate can just discards it's identity and move on.

But there is good people in GG. History will remember them as martyrs and victims once the monsters die down.

 

[Lieju]

I don't know how Gamergate could 'win' since I'm confused as to what their collective objective even is.
What would make all gamergaters go 'Well, that's our job done!'?

They'll just disappear eventually and people stop talking about them, completely bored.