On the Wisconsin subject, Scott Walker is doing what he needs to do to fix the economy. People here don't like that cuz they're used to having a governor who sat on his ass all day.
Poll: What is wrong with America?
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I'm not really a fan of unions as a lot of them have gotten too powerful and useless these days. Though there is no denying they were created for good reason, and there was a time when they were needed to protect workers. Whatever the right balance of power is in this particular situation is, it won't be found by threatening to fire people or having incredibly rich people using their money to influence the outcome.
I personally think government should be as small as possible, and they should generally stay the hell out of people's business unless it it to protect them from injustice.
However I generally hate all of America's supposed right wing politicians. Not only is there the issue of "social conservatism" where they discriminate and persecute people based on their own Christian fanaticism, they aren't even economically conservative either. They grow government just as much as any Democrat, just on different things, and rack up debt even more so.
Which is why I have some respect for their left wing, even if I don't agree with all their policies they at least have good intentions of helping people and supporting personal freedom.
I personally think government should be as small as possible, and they should generally stay the hell out of people's business unless it it to protect them from injustice.
However I generally hate all of America's supposed right wing politicians. Not only is there the issue of "social conservatism" where they discriminate and persecute people based on their own Christian fanaticism, they aren't even economically conservative either. They grow government just as much as any Democrat, just on different things, and rack up debt even more so.
Which is why I have some respect for their left wing, even if I don't agree with all their policies they at least have good intentions of helping people and supporting personal freedom.
Calling all americans ignorant is not the best way to make friends on here. You only end up starting an arguement, but that's already happened I guess.Laurie Barnes said:
OT: I support the unions. Sure, there may be some corrupt ones, but overall they help the middle class. Without them, the foundations of the middle class would be shaken. It cannot rely on just the private sector to function well.
Grabbin Keelz said:
argeed completly
i want to move to russia just to get away from it
...i like russia
argeedk-ossuburb said:
and i think if jesus was watching fox news
He would Face palm and go
"I died for THIS?!"
IMO the problem is that being a politician now is doing things not for the good of the country or the ppl u represent but only doing things that ill get u re elected
Yes because Fox is the only news organization who does that. I recall when that one governor got killed by that lunatic every liberal news station was blaming Sarah Palin and glen beck and saying the shooter was a right wing nut job. Even though none of that was true. In fact the shooter was a liberal. All news organizations are guilty of doing this kind of nonsense so please don't make it sound like Fox is the only one guilty, okay?JordanXlord said:
Yes I figured when I posted that you would be able to better defend the points made.Also after I made it I tried to think of new liberal ideas that went though in america that ended up being the wrong choice but I couldn't think of any, of coarse we wouldn't be as much as a superpower as we were today If we constantly made bad decisions (prohibition is one of the old ones, but that was a conservative law). It really does still give conservatism a bad track record when you look back on it. Also find the irony about quite enjoyable, particularly when Glen Beck was talking about how progressivism is evil, so apparently he still thinks all of those points you raised are evil not just the new ones. Buts thats Glen Beck, its his job to say crazy things.THAC0 said:
Unions are good idea when workers are being taken advantage of unfairly.
But, nowadays, it seems that Teacher's Unions protect all teachers, which sometimes is not a good thing. When a teacher is a bad teacher, does not teach and give you quips like "I get paid whether you learn or not", they do not deserve protection from being fired. Tenure was designed to protect college professors from being fires for arbitrary reasons. Not teaching is not an arbitrary reasoning. An Accountant would be fired for not doing payroll, and a Doctor would be fired for not doing their job. Tenure, and the Teachers Union that has made Tenure an automatic arrangement for all teachers, are just wrong. We are doing students wrong by giving them these teachers.
But, Ahm. Go watch 'Waiting for Superman'. Excellent expose on the American Education System.
As for me, I stand by the Governor on this.
But, nowadays, it seems that Teacher's Unions protect all teachers, which sometimes is not a good thing. When a teacher is a bad teacher, does not teach and give you quips like "I get paid whether you learn or not", they do not deserve protection from being fired. Tenure was designed to protect college professors from being fires for arbitrary reasons. Not teaching is not an arbitrary reasoning. An Accountant would be fired for not doing payroll, and a Doctor would be fired for not doing their job. Tenure, and the Teachers Union that has made Tenure an automatic arrangement for all teachers, are just wrong. We are doing students wrong by giving them these teachers.
But, Ahm. Go watch 'Waiting for Superman'. Excellent expose on the American Education System.
As for me, I stand by the Governor on this.
Oh silly me! I must remember to stop putting those subliminal messages in my posts that state my complete lack of autonomy.Riff Moonraker said:
Good thing only you picked up on it, if I had actually included any form of information alluding to my inability to make my own mind up about current events by cross-referencing sources and gaining as much as I can from both sides of the story in order to make an informed opinion of my own in actual text form (instead of the imaginary subliminal message form) then a whole manner of people would pick up on it.
Your psychic abilities astound me, have a cookie my dear fellow! It seems I am no match for your brilliant deductive skills which have allowed you to make an assumption about me without any evidence or even an obscure reference to the manner of which I interpret information. How you managed to get from my simple observations and sarcastic commentary on the misinformation spreading soap box of FOX News to being able to deduce that I automatically absorb and regurgitate everything I hear is a marvel in itself.
Good show, old boy!
The thing with unions reminds me of a joke I heard once. A unionized public employee, a teabagger, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the teabagger and says, "Watch out for that union guy. He wants a piece of your cookie."
I don't want to get into an argument about this, but you're oversimplifying the sides.THAC0 said:
Conservatives, while they can be really stupid, aren't that "evil". They're just meant to slow down change. They stop too much change from occurring in a too short amount of time. Without conservatives, we'd get shit like the French Revolution.
Wrong. According to Dr. James Simons, founder of Renaissance Technologies and Math for America, our top 10% aren't as good as others' top 10%. So it's bad all around. Even in good universities, most of the students in grad school are Chinese and Indian. That should tell you something.Laurie Barnes said:
You pretty much summed it up in the poll. Unions and Government.Laurie Barnes said:
Actually... contrary to my above statement, the US government is one of the most stable (if not THE most stable) in the world, and is a rather good system. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence are all great political papers.
To me, the whole problem is not the Government as it sits, but the people in it. People are getting too greedy, and its the confliction between Conservative fueled Democrats/Republicans and Obama's objectives. What the US needs now is some no nonsense level headed George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, etc. incarnate types. We need to sit down, look at ourselves, bring back America and make it a country less reliant on importing.
Then again, thats just me.
You mean when Rep. Gabby Giffords got wounded? The dude wasn't a liberal or a conservative. He was a complete basket-case. Well, he was mentally ill, but I suppose in these times, it's possible to become that even if you weren't before. Considering he was a community college drop-out and banned from ever enlisting in the army, A) this should have raised some flags on the dude and B) considering how few prospects he must have had, is it really all that much of a stretch to think that he wouldn't crack? There are probably plenty more people his age out there with no hope of finding work that don't know what to do with themselves, and who's to say they won't succumb either?Kuilui said:
But as for what's wrong with America...
Well, in all honesty, it's moving closer to a third world nation. The big, rich corporations just buy up their puppet congresscritters, republicans try to pander to the rich, and just about anything that tries to help anyone else gets held up by republicans because of either A) it'll increase the deficit or B) the tax increase on America's "job creators" (which is code for those companies with the filthy stinking rich CEOs with Swiss bank accounts and assets offshored in tax havens).
Aka: cut taxes for the "job creators", and cut spending on programs for everyone else. The rich get richer, and everyone else is screwed.
Well, our problems mostly seem to stem from our media and management. Most of the guys I know are pretty swell and also aren't politicians or journalists.
the fact that a young kid gets national news coverage for founding a, "political party".
The fact the government never supports education or ruins it actively.
The fact that people mooch off of others' success like it's their job.
The ease at which people can sue.
Southern Baptist Church.
O'Reilly
Beck.
The fact the government never supports education or ruins it actively.
The fact that people mooch off of others' success like it's their job.
The ease at which people can sue.
Southern Baptist Church.
O'Reilly
Beck.
