Poll: What's so good about America?

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Korolev

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Eh America is not a bad nation. In terms of its living standards, it's up there with the best of them, although the Japanese tend to live longer and better lives in terms of health. It's certainly a nation with a lot of opportunity, the best technology, and the strongest army. However, it also has problems - its culture is falling apart and it no longer seems to respect learning and intellectual activities, despite the fact that its military power is ENTIRELY dependent on technology.

I wouldn't mind living in the US.

As for its international activities, the US has done some bad things. I'd like to also point out that EVERY SINGLE NATION has done and will do terrible things. All powerful nations absue power. Believe me, if the US wasn't around, someone else would just be equally as nasty, or probably worse.
 

2012 Wont Happen

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UltraParanoia said:
2012 Wont Happen said:
UltraParanoia said:
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We had no proper right or reason to invade Iraq
Killing a family of dictators whose favorite pastimes included finding new and inventive ways of killing their own people strikes me as a decent reason.
In the process destroying their nation and killing more civilians than that family ever would have- all in the name of profit for the military industrial complex
The American military might is currently NOT grinding up the citizenry of Iraq for motives of profit, revenge and/or imperialism.

Pretty much all of the estimates I can find for the 24 years saddam was in power point to him killing a few hundred thousand people,(read: 4,5,600,000 and those are the low end.)

So far, the average number I can find for total Iraqi civvie deaths range from 100k to 150k, and most of those are chalked up to deaths by ieds and bombers.

And profit for the military industrial complex means better, more accurate weapons that have less chance of killing civilians.
JESUS, thank you. I am SO sick of people beating on us going into Iraq.

Right now, the only good reason I can think of for us to pull out would be to lighten our expenses so they can be put to other uses, but every person I fucking find on the Internet seems to be under the impression that Americans abroad are Nazi sadists with knives taped to their fingers.

And I am FUCKING HATING IT.
The Iraq war was absolutely unjustifiable, and the world is less safe and has more terrorists today because of our invasion
 

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Jinx_Dragon said:
Average...

All nations have a fucked up history, every single one. Australia? Stolen generation comes first to mind. That bullshit happened right up to the end of 1970! so recent history at that.

There is nothing exceptional about the USA, there is nothing defective about it either. It is a atypical, average, western nation.
Probably a much more reasonable assessment than my own
 

Pingieking

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I actually think that the idea of capitalism creating a style of slave driving society is somewhat valid. Don't take it in a literal sense though.

In a capitalist system, the easiest and most efficient way to make money is to have money. Those who don't have money also have a harder time making money compared to those who are well off. This is mostly due to the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day, so even if you're Superman, you can only get paid 24*(hourly rate). But if you have money, then you can also work 24 hours a day, and get paid for borrowing your extra money to other people (even if you just let it sit in the account, the interest you get is the same effect). Now if you take the flip side of that, and look at a person who owes other people money, they actually make less than 24*(hourly rate).

Therefore, assuming there are 3 people; A, B, and C, who all work for the same wage and with the same productivity. Lets assume that the wage of the three people are equal to their expenses, since that makes the experiment easier. Person A has a lot of money and lent them out, Person B has no money in the bank, but does not owe money either. Person C owes someone else money. After one month, all of them got paid the same by the employer. Person A also got money through interest, and person C lost money because he/she had to pay off his/her debt's interest.

EDIT: Back, so I'll continue this train of thought.

Of course the thought experiment is not something that applies perfectly in reality. But it does show my point that how hard you work is not necessarily what determines your success. If we plot a person's wealth as a function of time, we can see that qualitatively, the slope of the line is a function of the amount of money you have, and the amount of work you do.

Bringing that back to my original point; if a person is born into a poor household, the derivative of their wealth function will be small and have a low maximum, whereas a person who is born into a rich household will likely have a large derivative, with a high minimum value. So in this way, the system is structured so that things well beyond your control are strongly contributing to you ability to achieve your potential. Combine this with the trend that capitalist societies tend to strive for lower hourly real wages, you have a result that heavily favors the rich, regardless of how hard people work.
This is why I think that our system seems a little bit like a slave driving system. The poor are rarely given a chance to climb up the economic ladder, and the rich rarely fall down the ladder, despite the incompetence that's often on display. This is not an American problem, this is only the result of the system that the world has adopted. Though I have found the economic mobility of the US is quite bad. This is an opinion that I have nothing to back up with except for my own experiences.
I don't dislike the system that we have; I'm only pointing out the effects of the system, and how it relates to the America that I've experienced.
 

Samurai Goomba

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2012 Wont Happen said:
The way that gays fight for the right to mary in this country...

by going out and fucking doing it regardless of the fact that tradition and laws are against their just cause
That only works if the government chooses not to enforce the law. Otherwise they just toss everyone in jail and take all their money.

The "just doing it anyway" strategy didn't work out well for Russian or Chinese citizens. Any government can stop free public speech if they really want to.
 

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Samurai Goomba said:
2012 Wont Happen said:
The way that gays fight for the right to mary in this country...

by going out and fucking doing it regardless of the fact that tradition and laws are against their just cause
That only works if the government chooses not to enforce the law. Otherwise they just toss everyone in jail and take all their money.

The "just doing it anyway" strategy didn't work out well for Russian or Chinese citizens. Any government can stop free public speech if they really want to.
Sometimes one must fight regardless of the odds because it is better to be eliminated than to have allowed yourself to live a slave
 

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Typecast said:
Your government has grown weak, your corporations are ivory tower, autocratic cannibals, and your commerical media, as in the ones most people form their opinions from, has the jounalistic integrity of the politburo. You also have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world.

Oh, and your foreign policy of the last fifty to sixty years, although I'm sure the Spanish and French colonies two hundred years ago(or whatever American history doesn't really interest me enough to even click on wikipedia) along with the Mexicans, might be angry at the whole 'manifest destiny' thing.

Your personal freedoms that you persue without consequence OR appreciation I might add for those who REALLY pay for your freedom(ie, slave labourer's in GAP factories, Middle Eastern and African conflicts to provide you with cheap oil, which you call gas for some reason, the environment which will probably give up the ghost on us soon enough).

Ok, so this is my personal rant, and in my country you don't get the right to say whatever you want, so all I have is a forum about video games in which to express my impotent and ineffectual opinions.
Since when have "middle eastern and african conflicts" given us cheap oil?
Just this week gas has risen almost $.50, due to some dumbass idea that while we're using less, somehow the supply has been in question. If there's even a whiff of trouble anywhere in the world, the supply is in question. Penguin got eaten? That affects the supply! +$1.50 a gallon!

But I will say, the media has no integrity, the people of governments and corporations are quite corrupt (as anywhere), and Manifest Destiny is no longer part of America. If it were, Afghanistan would be state number 51 and Iraq number 52.
And there's a pair of right cockups and no mistake.
 

Kasterborus

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firedfns13 said:
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The Right to Bear Arms is awesome. I love the furry claws I own.

Seriously though, I'm so anti gun control, I'd feel better if everyone were packing. Except some of the kids in the school. (I'm thinking you need a minimum gpa to get one, or at least let teachers have them) It has been proven in 2 states that concealed weapons reduce the amount of violent crime (? i think that was the category).
True, I mean, who would rob someone you think would shoot you...

But I notice Canada has similar laws, but it requires a lot more education before you can get them. That's the key, firearm education.

-Kaster
Sounds fair enough.
I just cannot comprhend the stupidity of some people, I mean

Man: "I want a case of beer, a handgun and a pack of bullets"
Clerk: "That'll be $119.95 plus tax"
Man: *pays, collects, goes home, gets drunk, shoots family and then self*

Yeah...training and permits fit somewhere in there...I'm just not sure where...I know that's an EXTREME case of lax American gun laws...but still!

-Kaster
 

firedfns13

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Well that's just stupid. They make dumber laws that make it illegal to drive past 11pm if you're not 18 but allow alcohol and guns to mix? WOW