Poll: When it goes to far... way to far

[Kuranes Rex]

For the youth in our country to reduce themselves to psychotic, ill-tempered barbarians is nothing more than the lowest form of trash I've ever known.

*shrugs* Unfortunate things like this happen all over the world and have happened as long as there have been people. It's nothing new. The kids were teenagers around 15 years old, not 6. Many, many kids under 15 are part of violent gangs in their neighborhod or are conscripted into the local militia via forced dug use and brainwashing.

has our youth gone to far with emulation of their environment? Or is this a desperate plea for us to pay more attention? Could it be both?

I'm not sure what the incident with the boys has to do with 'emulation of their environment' or their 'influences' and our watching of them. What environment are they in that engulfing a living creature in a pyroclasm is common enough practice to be emulated. And for christ's sake they're fifteen! 15 year olds have sex and drive cars(used to) and hold down jobs. They're not some 5 year old child learning to socialize outside the family for the first time.

Is this a shame? Absolutely, but let's not lose perspective. Unfortunate things will happen. The best you can do is to try to make sure they don't happen to your loved ones.

Correct spelling and grammar is also something that 15 year olds can master, so let's not forget to employ it.

 

[The Atomic Irishman]

*shrugs* Unfortunate things like this happen all over the world and have happened as long as there have been people. It's nothing new. The kids were teenagers around 15 years old, not 6. Many, many kids under 15 are part of violent gangs in their neighborhod or are conscripted into the local militia via forced dug use and brainwashing.

I'm not sure what the incident with the boys has to do with 'emulation of their environment' or their 'influences' and our watching of them. What environment are they in that engulfing a living creature in a pyroclasm is common enough practice to be emulated. And for christ's sake they're fifteen! 15 year olds have sex and drive cars(used to) and hold down jobs. They're not some 5 year old child learning to socialize outside the family for the first time.

Is this a shame? Absolutely, but let's not lose perspective. Unfortunate things will happen. The best you can do is to try to make sure they don't happen to your loved ones.

Correct spelling and grammar is also something that 15 year olds can master, so let's not forget to employ it.

Please stay more on topic than blasting my grammar, you can do that in my PM box if you're so unhappy with it.

And while im positive that not every child born in our world is a demon cherub. That doesn't mean that such an even shouldn't send a message to keep an eye on your child's activities in some degree. And this is no isolated act of violence, if you can hearken back to the youtube posted(and deleted) video of the teenage girls who beat the one younger girl to a pulp, just to be cool. While those are only two incidents, the intensity should not be belittled or dismissed as too small of an act.

And if you feel so sore about this posed question, here is another:
Should youth acts of extreme violence be treated with stronger, tougher sentences?

 

[GruntOwner]

... God alone help you if you ever come over to the UK. Your fragile mind wouldn't be able of cope with most of it.

Those 2 kids who killed the toddler, ooh.

I was thinking more along the lines of those kids who gang raped a 15 year old girl with learning disabilities, and then proceeded to take a good part of her flesh of with some kind of commercial, diluted acid. Or those chavs who set fire to someone's face while he was asleep on the train.

 

[Kuranes Rex]

Please stay more on topic than blasting my grammar, you can do that in my PM box if you're so unhappy with it.

Apologies, for the spelling/grammar comment. It was unnecessary.

While those are only two incidents, the intensity should not be belittled or dismissed as too small of an act.

And if you feel so sore about this posed question, here is another:
Should youth acts of extreme violence be treated with stronger, tougher sentences?

I suppose I should clarify that I did not mean to trivialize this particular horrific incident. It was the sweeping posit in your first post that prompted my response. You described the 'the youth in our country' as being reduced to barbarians and trash. It came off as a broad generalization classifying the sad state of our culture.

I only sought to put things into perspective by evoking the image of third world child soldiers and compare it to our (mostly) safe environ. I also felt I should state that most 15 year olds are a long way from being 'innocent impressionable youth'. Perhaps it's a differing view of the word 'youth' that we have. When I think 'youth', I don't think 15 or 16.

As to your question about consequences for acts of extreme violence, my answer is unequivocally yes.

 

[Smagmuck_]

Why would they do something like that? The kid who was set ablaze made a smart move by ripping his shirt off and jumping in. That probibly saved his life.

 

[The Atomic Irishman]

I only sought to put things into perspective by evoking the image of third world child soldiers and compare it to our (mostly) safe environ. I also felt I should state that most 15 year olds are a long way from being 'innocent impressionable youth'. Perhaps it's a differing view of the word 'youth' that we have. When I think 'youth', I don't think 15 or 16.

As to your question about consequences for acts of extreme violence, my answer is unequivocally yes.[/quote]

Was indeed a generalization on my part, but i suppose i would lose perspective as the frequency of such cases have come to a disturbing level now. As described, the age of reason, if I can recall in the USA is noted as 7 where a child can start using basic logic and reason. Our age of responsibility(dont quote me on this completely now) begins at 18. I'd much rather see it for age 16.

As for your goal, your quite correct. While its not all our youth, indeed the minority requires a stiffer punishment than "Juvenile Hall."

 

[Samurai Goomba]

My avatar knows why kids do this.

Seriously, many relevant societal questions can be answered with "Collateral."