Poll: When to kick arse

[Sandernista]

So you would rather die? I mean, it's nice to have ideals, but really? Death?

I wouldn't like to die, but I wouldn't use violence to prevent it. I'm pretty adamant about my pacifism.

(I also couldn't spell pacifism for the life of me)

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

So you would rather die? I mean, it's nice to have ideals, but really? Death?

I wouldn't like to die, but I wouldn't use violence to prevent it. I'm pretty adamant about my pacifism.

(I also couldn't spell pacifism for the life of me)

Alright, next question: why?

I don't love violence, but if you try to kill me, I have more then made up my mind that fighting back is the best choice.

Allso, allow me to quote someone on the matter of pacifism

Linkara seems to be operating under the assumption that "pacifism" is rejecting violence in every situation. That's not necessarily true. A pacifist philosophy can and very often does allow for violence in self-defense or as a last resort when it encompasses the principles of nonviolence. These pacifists don't fit into the "let's all just be friends" stereotype, so claiming Carter's parents were "devout pacifists" and then associating them with the rejection of violence in any and all situations is deceptive.
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You're arguing under the assumption that pacifism is doing nothing. Pacifism doesn't equal indifference; I'd argue that indifference is closer to apathy.

Again, many pacifists who follow the nonviolence school of thought support violence as the last resort or in cases of self defense/the defense of others. You can't paint such a complex philosophy with such a broad brush, especially when it intertwines with similar but different topics, like nonviolent resistance, that complicate the matter even further.

 

[Sandernista]

I wouldn't like to die, but I wouldn't use violence to prevent it. I'm pretty adamant about my pacifism.

(I also couldn't spell pacifism for the life of me)

Alright, next question: why?

I don't love violence, but if you try to kill me, I have more then made up my mind that fighting back is the best choice.

Allso, allow me to quote someone on the matter of pacifism

Linkara seems to be operating under the assumption that "pacifism" is rejecting violence in every situation. That's not necessarily true. A pacifist philosophy can and very often does allow for violence in self-defense or as a last resort when it encompasses the principles of nonviolence. These pacifists don't fit into the "let's all just be friends" stereotype, so claiming Carter's parents were "devout pacifists" and then associating them with the rejection of violence in any and all situations is deceptive.
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You're arguing under the assumption that pacifism is doing nothing. Pacifism doesn't equal indifference; I'd argue that indifference is closer to apathy.

Again, many pacifists who follow the nonviolence school of thought support violence as the last resort or in cases of self defense/the defense of others. You can't paint such a complex philosophy with such a broad brush, especially when it intertwines with similar but different topics, like nonviolent resistance, that complicate the matter even further.

I feel that violence, like I said earlier, is never justified. I just don't think I could ever live with myself if I ever committed any act of violence.

Then again, and I'd like to clarify this point, I've never been in a situation where a lack of violent action would result in my own death, or a loved one's. If I did face such a situation, and I was in danger, I don't think I would attack. But, if my brother, or my partner, were in that situation I'm not sure if my reaction would be the same.

I don't think I really have a rational reason for this, but I haven't thought to great extent about it.

I'll get back to you with a better explanation later, its late and I'm tired.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I wouldn't like to die, but I wouldn't use violence to prevent it. I'm pretty adamant about my pacifism.

(I also couldn't spell pacifism for the life of me)

Alright, next question: why?

I don't love violence, but if you try to kill me, I have more then made up my mind that fighting back is the best choice.

Allso, allow me to quote someone on the matter of pacifism

Linkara seems to be operating under the assumption that "pacifism" is rejecting violence in every situation. That's not necessarily true. A pacifist philosophy can and very often does allow for violence in self-defense or as a last resort when it encompasses the principles of nonviolence. These pacifists don't fit into the "let's all just be friends" stereotype, so claiming Carter's parents were "devout pacifists" and then associating them with the rejection of violence in any and all situations is deceptive.
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You're arguing under the assumption that pacifism is doing nothing. Pacifism doesn't equal indifference; I'd argue that indifference is closer to apathy.

Again, many pacifists who follow the nonviolence school of thought support violence as the last resort or in cases of self defense/the defense of others. You can't paint such a complex philosophy with such a broad brush, especially when it intertwines with similar but different topics, like nonviolent resistance, that complicate the matter even further.

I feel that violence, like I said earlier, is never justified. I just don't think I could ever live with myself if I ever committed any act of violence.

Then again, and I'd like to clarify this point, I've never been in a situation where a lack of violent action would result in my own death, or a loved one's. If I did face such a situation, and I was in danger, I don't think I would attack. But, if my brother, or my partner, were in that situation I'm not sure if my reaction would be the same.

I don't think I really have a rational reason for this, but I haven't thought to great extent about it.

I'll get back to you with a better explanation later, its late and I'm tired.

Oh, no need dear reader, you've already explained enough.

I can see this is one of those deeply rooted moral convictions. Which is fine. I doubt I can convince you otherwise.

 

[TonyVonTonyus]

Defence of yourself, protection for all those who need it, when someone wants you to, when you're outnumbered and you CAN run but you never will.

 

[LiberalSquirrel]

Best time to kick arse?

Whn walking down an open feild, the world begins to spin with crazy music and you are forced into a confrontation with x-number of strange creatures. The arse kicking can proceed then, and always then.

Oh goodness, I think I love you. Really, this made me laugh far too much.

OT: I'm fairly pacifistic. The only acceptable time to use violence when there is no other choice- in defense of yourself or others. And even then, you should always stop as soon as you can.

At least buy me dinner and a movie before you proclaim you love me. Im not THAT easily won over. ;P

Damn. You mean that proclaiming insta-love due to someone making a gaming reference doesn't win people over automatically? No wonder I'm single. XD

OT: In the interest of not completely thread derailing... wow. I just noticed that two people have voted 'Never' in the poll. Having gone through some incidents where I have been forced to defend myself, I'm curious what those people would do in that situation.

 

[Agarth]

If I were an alcoholic, and believed in going places on the weekend, I would get into a lot of drunken bar fights. And since I can get a little... vicious in a fight I would probably do considerable damage to the another brawlers. So in short I think it's time to kick ass whenever your with a lot of people you hate, and for me that's almost all of the time for me...

 

[Hman121]

When you and two of your work buddies take your companies' copier to an open field... bring a baseball bat...

 

[thick doona]

If you can't beat them, join them. Then when their backs are turned, kick ass.

 

[Bravo 21]

I love my reputation.

Quite True, because my friends think that I can fight, I rarely have to fight, all that I have to do is stand up and glare. Except for the one friend of mine who beat me and another friend around for 15 minutes cause we were trying to ruin the ending to his book.

 

[Zantos]

The correct answer is "when you're all out of gum."

This is such a winning reply.

 

[Nouw]

When it is the most sensible option.

Of course sensible is defined by you and your values but to me that's a general rule I like to stick by.

 

[Burningsok]

wheres the "always" answer?
outnumbered? KICK ASS!!!
dudes better than you at fighting? KICK ASS LIKE A MAN!!!
visiting a preschool? show those little fuckers whose the boss! like a bauss!!!
Peace vigil? Not in my house! KICK ASS!!!
Its the first chapter in the alphabet of manliness, do it when you feel the need to draw blood with your knuckles.

yes i'm on medication, what about it?

It is 2:30 in the morning and I'm laughing my ass off after reading this LOL.

 

[Jedoro]

Hell, I'll kill a man in a fair fight... or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight, or if he bothers me, or if there's a woman, or if I'm gettin' paid - mostly only when I'm gettin' paid.

Seriously, just in defense of myself or another. But if a fight breaks out, I fight til you surrender or can't move.

 

[Offworlder_v1legacy]

Self-defence is fine. I'm not a violent guy, but if someone is trying to deck you or kill you or whatever, I don't see a problem with using your fists. But if someone is talking shit, no matter how bad, that still gives you no right to use violence. Same if you are angry, angry is no excuse to fight someone.

 

[Hawk eye1466]

I'm usually a pretty calm guy and it does take a lot to piss me off but when I do get mad it's not pretty. A while ago in school some guy was being an asshole he was picking on me and my friends and I'm fine with some good natured ribbing but he was going out of his way to piss me off so finally when he crossed the line I put his head through an open locker and broke his foot. I actually got off pretty lightly all I had to do was clean out my schools lockers at the end of the year.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

Whenever all your minions were defeated and you forgot to install an escape route.
[sup]That's self defense, right?[/sup]

 

[OptimisticPessimist]

When drunk, mostly. 'Cause if you can't spell "consequences", FUKKIT! They don't exist.

 

[yuval152]

self-Defence,although no one has ever started a fight with me.

when i was at first grade i beated up 2 guys from my class,so i guess it follows me ^_^

And i very rarely use violence

 

[scully745]

I'm a fairly calm person as a general rule, almost never blow off at anyone, the only time I'll descend into violence is if someone else tries to start something with me or any friend. I try to surround myself with people who'd do the same, have a friend who cracked someone's jaw when they had a go at another friend.
To those who say it is never an option: Is there a reason for this? Because you can't? Because it goes against whatever morals you have? I think people who take this position are ignorant to what people can and will do under certain circumstances, and it generally takes one of these people to convince them otherwise.