Poll: Where do you stand on animal rights?

[PurpleRain]

Silly Wabbit animals don't have rights.

When animals evolve telekinesis and tell me they are afraid to die then maybe I'll change my mind. Otherwise, before you know it flies will be asking for equal rights.

Telekinesis? I think you're thinking of telepathy. But animals can already say they don't want to die. It's pretty goddamn obvious. They can't say it, but then how can a person who can't speak your language tell you they don't want to die? The same way an animal does. By fight or flight, by shivering and crying.

Your post just... it doesn't hurt, it just annoys me.

EDIT

All for it. But... (This gets me in trouble with my girlfriend a lot)

Animal testing: Good

As for issues about overfishing and hunting it is very hard to circumvent when the people doing it don't care as such its hard to fix. I'm not so bothered personally.

You know overfishing can directly effect (affect?) you. I know that over fishing for shark takes out the predators which eat the fish which feed on the algae and sea plants. Basically, this is strangling the waters and giving less oxygen for us. Plus of course throwing everything else off balance down there.

 

[Aardvark]

As has probably been mentioned, it depends on the ratio of Cuteelicious. If the ratio is greater than 1, I'm all for them having rights. If it is less than 1, then they should shut the hell up and get on my burger.

 

[PurpleRain]

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

Animals have the right to be delicious.

Also, it was funny the first time I heard this... years ago.

I'd say a bit of both, I don 't mind animals being used for something that makes sense, but unnecessary cruelty is just plain wrong.

I do like my meat, do I have to see it boiled/skinned/bleed out etc. alive to show me how fresh or clean it is or to make it's meat very tender? Certainly not
Do I see the sense in using them to test new medicine or operating procedures? Yes absolutely
Any sense in them sufferering to test the newest useless make up line? Absolutely not

You should research a bit on the meat and eggs you eat. I don't mind people eating meat; go nuts, enjoy yourself, but battery meat is a form of unnecessary torture. There are better ways to kill and eat animals that many butchers can provide.

 

[GoldenRaz]

I think that animals should have the "right" to not be injured or killed for no acceptable reason.
Killing for food = acceptable. Killing or injuring for shits and giggles = not acceptable.

That said, since they won't pay taxes, they shouldn't have the same privileges and rights humans have.
Well, the taxes thing and since any predatory animal "or" human would be tossed in jail if they ever killed any other animal.
Which they would.

 

[PurpleRain]

But also:Vegans are insane, vegitarians are just weird.

How so?

Animal Rights is very vague and can refer to any number of issues, for example

should we be able to hunt animals for sport
should we be able to kill animals for meat or clothing
should we able to do medical testing on animals in the search for cures for human diseases (it really helps)
should we be able to test cosmetics on them
should we be able to make them fight each other and bet on the outcome
should horse races and rodeos be illegal
should zoos be allowed
should we be able to destroy an animal's home to build something on top
should we be able to kill animals for the multitude of things made from animal products

How are some of these issues vague on the subject? I mean, pit fighting animals? I pretty damn sure that's animal cruelty. Same with testing cosmetics and killing animals for clothing. As for game hunting, it also depends on which animals you are hunting. As with certain types of horse racing.

Most forms of cruelty are in black and white.

 

[PurpleRain]

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

why would you report me? can i not just say that i agree with someone?

You didn't add anything to the conversation though. You can agree, but unless you have something to add upon what they have said, you don't exactly need to voice it.

 

[Private Custard]

However, our foodstuff...slaughter them, but do it humanely. Don't drag out the death in anyway shape or form. I know I wouldn't want to be part of a slow painful death if I knew someone was going to eat me X_X .

Why would they drag out the death? That's just inefficient.

Until you,ve seen the horrors inflicted on animals you have no idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67hOmTrlxPM

The whole film can be watched on YouTube. It makes for uncomfortable viewing.

 

[SimicShy]

I don't belive you should beat an animal with a stick for fun, but I feel it's alright to hunt animals for food.

 

[quiet_samurai]

I really like leather and fur.

 

[KaiRai]

I don't support human rights, so animals aren't really out the firing line either

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

 

[Motti]

That's interesting, because in Australia hunters hunt feral animals mostly (be it cats, pigs, buffalo, cute wikkle rabbits, whatever). They don't necessarily eat all the parts (who would want to eat cat?), but without them, feral populations would be much bigger and local wildlife would be in a much worse state. What may I ask then, is your opinion on those hunters?

I suppose it could be considered a bit cold, but nature has a habit of working itself out. Australia actually used to have super predators, they're all gone now. Along with the Marsupial tiger, that we killed off ourselves already. The last known one, died in a cage I'm sure the people that made that animal extinct thought themselves fully justified as well.
So where do you draw the line. A predator's population will never out grow it's food supply naturally. So you have to consider that this is the result of arrogance on our part.
The north American wolf was also nearly brought to extinction by this same line of thought.

Right, but the Kakadu national park was turned from a buffalo-made desert into a wetland again by the same line of thought. The idea is that the animals hunters hunt in australia aren't meant to be there in the first place.

 

[PurpleRain]

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

why would you report me? can i not just say that i agree with someone?

You didn't add anything to the conversation though. You can agree, but unless you have something to add upon what they have said, you don't exactly need to voice it.

i don't think anyone exactly needs to voice anything on here, i just wanted to. i cant believe someone would even take the time to message and report me for saying, "i agree." and on top of that you were condescending when you did it. why? i guess if it makes you feel good about yourself go ahead. I'm just not taking the internet as seriously as you are i guess.

Doesn't make me feel bad or good. The mods however have begun cracking down on people saying: 'This' or other useless phrases such as, 'I agree'. Keep in mind this is a forum meaning a meeting place for discussion. Voices should be heard of course, but it would be nice if it were kept civil and had merit to the topic at hand. I, however, replied to you to show how that it is unnecessary to say 'I agree' and other terms. I mean no harm by it. Reporting however is really just going to get the mods to look at it. I'm not the judge in this, they are.

Back on topic eh?

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

It makes sense to test human products on humans. As for eating them, you should always make sure to find organic and free range butchers, otherwise it can be cruel torture to animals in battery, caged situations.

 

[crooked_ferret]

Right, but the Kakadu national park was turned from a buffalo-made desert into a wetland again by the same line of thought. The idea is that the animals hunters hunt in Australia aren't meant to be there in the first place.

Granted we screw up the food chain anywhere we step foot. Once again though there is no reasonable solution. It should also be noted that lumping in poachers and "revenge" hunters in with those of us that do it properly, obtain licenses, obey the limits, and size restrictions isn't representing an accurate picture either. Hunters hunt for food, we aren't prize collectors that even hunt predators in the first place.
I suppose popular media and movies are largely responsible for that miss conception.

There are exceptions to every rule. However, there is also a fallacy in handing everyone a number 2 pencil then subjecting them to a poll of which the results will clearly show that 100% of the people on the planet write using only number 2 pencils.

 

[Dr.Sean]

PETA is shit. SPCA is the shit.

 

[ragamuffingirl]

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

why would you report me? can i not just say that i agree with someone?

You didn't add anything to the conversation though. You can agree, but unless you have something to add upon what they have said, you don't exactly need to voice it.

i don't think anyone exactly needs to voice anything on here, i just wanted to. i cant believe someone would even take the time to message and report me for saying, "i agree." and on top of that you were condescending when you did it. why? i guess if it makes you feel good about yourself go ahead. I'm just not taking the internet as seriously as you are i guess.

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

why would you report me? can i not just say that i agree with someone?

You didn't add anything to the conversation though. You can agree, but unless you have something to add upon what they have said, you don't exactly need to voice it.

i don't think anyone exactly needs to voice anything on here, i just wanted to. i cant believe someone would even take the time to message and report me for saying, "i agree." and on top of that you were condescending when you did it. why? i guess if it makes you feel good about yourself go ahead. I'm just not taking the internet as seriously as you are i guess.

Doesn't make me feel bad or good. The mods however have begun cracking down on people saying: 'This' or other useless phrases such as, 'I agree'. Keep in mind this is a forum meaning a meeting place for discussion. Voices should be heard of course, but it would be nice if it were kept civil and had merit to the topic at hand. I, however, replied to you to show how that it is unnecessary to say 'I agree' and other terms. I mean no harm by it. Reporting however is really just going to get the mods to look at it. I'm not the judge in this, they are.

Back on topic eh?

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

It makes sense to test human products on humans. As for eating them, you should always make sure to find organic and free range butchers, otherwise it can be cruel torture to animals in battery, caged situations.

Reported!

 

[Xorghul]

Animals like cows that are pretty much made for food, I don't see how they could have rights. But dogs and things like that, yeah they should have rights, I guess.

Why? What's the difference? I mean, they eat dogs in China. And cows are "holy" in India. So, why?

 

[Thimblefoot]

People who are cruel to any animal need to fuck off and die, but i am totally fine with eating beef and pork and such.