Poll: Where do you stand on animal rights?

[Simalacrum]

I believe this: Don't hunt the baby Kangaroos!

well, actually, Kangaroo's are thought to be the potential replacement meat for the extrememly environmentally hazardous cows, which create more methane than all the cars, planes, and boats in the world... (apparently they taste similar)

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

It makes sense to test human products on humans. As for eating them, you should always make sure to find organic and free range butchers, otherwise it can be cruel torture to animals in battery, caged situations.

Actually, I think that whole free range idea is much more cruel. The animal is out in a pasture, enjoying it's life, not knowing that it's gonna be food, then [HEADING=1]WHAM![/HEADING] It's got a hole through it's skull or it's just plain missing it's skull, and it feels much less self fulfilled in its little beastly afterlife, having witnessed itself brutally murdered whilst doing going about it's normal daily life, thinking it was free. Plus, all that free range crap really means is the meat is wilder, more gamey, and less tasty. When it comes to it, I'd much rather eat something that I know came from a pen, because it's always known what it will be, the meat is more tender, and it's not just something some bloke killed out in a field and called it free range. I've had dog, the korean way, and while you might blanch at that thought, they weren't just mongrels off the street, they were domesticated and penned up for the purpose of being eaten, much like our sheep, cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. Beyond that, the way such animals are killed is by far more humane than how we have to kill the others. Ever seen a cow get the bolt through its head? It goes down flat, instant kill, which is generally considered loads more humane than drawing it out, whether you're discussing humans or animals or whathaveyou. So I'll stick to the butcher's that I know and trust to slaughter the animals in the way that yeilds a) the best tasting meats, and b) instant death to the pre-meal state of the animal.

 

[PurpleRain]

I personally think all animals have the right to be treated fairly, to not be abused, and to be loved.
What is your stance on it?

i agree.

A man with a big heart and few words. *Cough* Reported. Sorry bud.

why would you report me? can i not just say that i agree with someone?

You didn't add anything to the conversation though. You can agree, but unless you have something to add upon what they have said, you don't exactly need to voice it.

i don't think anyone exactly needs to voice anything on here, i just wanted to. i cant believe someone would even take the time to message and report me for saying, "i agree." and on top of that you were condescending when you did it. why? i guess if it makes you feel good about yourself go ahead. I'm just not taking the internet as seriously as you are i guess.

Doesn't make me feel bad or good. The mods however have begun cracking down on people saying: 'This' or other useless phrases such as, 'I agree'. Keep in mind this is a forum meaning a meeting place for discussion. Voices should be heard of course, but it would be nice if it were kept civil and had merit to the topic at hand. I, however, replied to you to show how that it is unnecessary to say 'I agree' and other terms. I mean no harm by it. Reporting however is really just going to get the mods to look at it. I'm not the judge in this, they are.

Back on topic eh?

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

It makes sense to test human products on humans. As for eating them, you should always make sure to find organic and free range butchers, otherwise it can be cruel torture to animals in battery, caged situations.

Reported!

*Sigh* I hope to god that was a bad joke.

Well, they deserve to be treated fairly, i suppose, but That's not gonna stop me eating them, or suggesting testing of products on them, if that's what you're asking. Although, in fairness, i also suggest we test products on humans.

It makes sense to test human products on humans. As for eating them, you should always make sure to find organic and free range butchers, otherwise it can be cruel torture to animals in battery, caged situations.

Actually, I think that whole free range idea is much more cruel. The animal is out in a pasture, enjoying it's life, not knowing that it's gonna be food, then [HEADING=1]WHAM![/HEADING] It's got a hole through it's skull or it's just plain missing it's skull, and it feels much less self fulfilled in its little beastly afterlife, having witnessed itself brutally murdered whilst doing going about it's normal daily life, thinking it was free. Plus, all that free range crap really means is the meat is wilder, more gamey, and less tasty. When it comes to it, I'd much rather eat something that I know came from a pen, because it's always known what it will be, the meat is more tender, and it's not just something some bloke killed out in a field and called it free range. I've had dog, the korean way, and while you might blanch at that thought, they weren't just mongrels off the street, they were domesticated and penned up for the purpose of being eaten, much like our sheep, cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. Beyond that, the way such animals are killed is by far more humane than how we have to kill the others. Ever seen a cow get the bolt through its head? It goes down flat, instant kill, which is generally considered loads more humane than drawing it out, whether you're discussing humans or animals or whathaveyou. So I'll stick to the butcher's that I know and trust to slaughter the animals in the way that yeilds a) the best tasting meats, and b) instant death to the pre-meal state of the animal.

I don't care about the way the animal is killed (unless drawn out) but the way it lives. You'd rather have a pig stuck in a cage where it can't move its entire life because it is more fitting when it dies?
And if you want the most tender meat, put it in a bag and hit it with sticks until it stops kicking (though I guess that's what you meant by the 'Korean way').

Also, butchers don't kill the meat but get it delivered and hack it up some. Some butchers stick to certain types of meat.

EDIT

if you meant no harm by it, and you were not just being and asshole why didn't you just say that instead of the whole smartass *cough* reported bullshit. you were being an asshole and now your being a liar.

Though I managed to stay mature and not refrain to name calling. Please. I'd rather not argue this if you're going to take it personally.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Big ole snip. Seriously, people, stop flooding the whole page with quoted text. It's annoying as hell.

I don't care about the way the animal is killed (unless drawn out) but the way it lives. You'd rather have a pig stuck in a cage where it can't move its entire life because it is more fitting when it dies?
And if you want the most tender meat, put it in a bag and hit it with sticks until it stops kicking (though I guess that's what you meant by the 'Korean way').

Also, butchers don't kill the meat but get it delivered and hack it up some. Some butchers stick to certain types of meat.

Some butchers do. Although, I'm guessing you don't find your way out to many ranches, right? Very few animals are kept penned so tight that they can't move, and most of those are baby cows bred specifically for the purpose of becoming veal, a meat so delicate because of these cows that do not get to bruise their muscles by using them, which makes the meats tougher. Depriving them of such motion makes the meat leaner, more tender, and more delicate, which means a heftier price. Most animals live quite fine lives with access to large expanses, and a penn for when nightfall comes, which gives them a sense of group and belonging.

Oh, and by the way--"putting it in a bag and hitting it with sticks until it stopps kicking" is the korean way? Racist ignorance is not cherished outside of standup and bad hollywood movies. Don't be an asshole.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

the thing is, [other] animals were here befor us, why the hell should we fuck it up even more then we alredy did. I'm for animal rights because i like animals more than most people.

 

[PurpleRain]

Big ole snip. Seriously, people, stop flooding the whole page with quoted text. It's annoying as hell.

I don't care about the way the animal is killed (unless drawn out) but the way it lives. You'd rather have a pig stuck in a cage where it can't move its entire life because it is more fitting when it dies?
And if you want the most tender meat, put it in a bag and hit it with sticks until it stops kicking (though I guess that's what you meant by the 'Korean way').

Also, butchers don't kill the meat but get it delivered and hack it up some. Some butchers stick to certain types of meat.

Some butchers do. Although, I'm guessing you don't find your way out to many ranches, right? Very few animals are kept penned so tight that they can't move, and most of those are baby cows bred specifically for the purpose of becoming veal, a meat so delicate because of these cows that do not get to bruise their muscles by using them, which makes the meats tougher. Depriving them of such motion makes the meat leaner, more tender, and more delicate, which means a heftier price. Most animals live quite fine lives with access to large expanses, and a penn for when nightfall comes, which gives them a sense of group and belonging.

Oh, and by the way--"putting it in a bag and hitting it with sticks until it stopps kicking" is the korean way? Racist ignorance is not cherished outside of standup and bad hollywood movies. Don't be an asshole.

The Korean thing was a joke I assumed you were making. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But I have heard of and been told of by first hand accounts of dogs getting beaten in bags (China however was the area I was told of).
So forgive me, I wasn't meaning to sound racist.

And you're right. I don't find myself on ranches quite often. And yes, I have heard about the veal. I can't really find myself enjoying the meat however knowing the crap it had to endure, so I have never eaten it. I should do a lot more research on this, but have I known of battery animals.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

The Korean thing was a joke I assumed you were making. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But I have heard of and been told of by first hand accounts of dogs getting beaten in bags (China however was the area I was told of).
So forgive me, I wasn't meaning to sound racist.

And you're right. I don't find myself on ranches quite often. And yes, I have heard about the veal. I can't really find myself enjoying the meat however knowing the crap it had to endure, so I have never eaten it. I should do a lot more research on this, but have I known of battery animals.

Dogs being beaten in bags in like cats being lit aflame--it's not for eating, it's for sheer idiocy and malice, though I accept your apology. I referred to the specific style of preparation, much like the specific way to prepare sirloin, or barbequed or lemon chicken, or pad thai--or at least, prepare them correctly, and not just toss food in and hope tasty comes out.

I try to think of those animals as if they were human--if you were bred for the intention of something, live your entire life setting up for it, with friends, family, and neighbors all supporting you in this goal, when you finally achieve it, would you not feel as if your life had been fulfilled? Who's to say they don't feel the same?

 

[Macgyvercas]

House pets (i.e. Dogs, cats, birds) deserve a loving home. Wild animals like deer, bear, rabbits and moose, need to be hunted for two reasons: 1) because most of them are damn tasty, and 2) If we don't keep their numbers under control, they will either starve or try to overthrow the government.

 

[Hephaesto]

When it comes to testing I'm firmly opposed to testing cosmetics on animals, what is the fucking point, but very firmly for the testing of medicines, treatments, stem cells & organ growth etc.

When animal-rights people protest outside research labs that are creating ground breaking advances in medicine and treatment I want to plough through the middle of their gathering with a large bus. If their child's life depended on the research going on in those four walls they'd drop those signs faster than a Thai Ldayboy's underwear, and that's a fecking fact.

 

[TheTygre]

Really depends on the animal for me. Let's start with domestics; cows, chickens, pigs. The animals I eat... Well, I eat them. They have no rights. Maybe they're wild cousins do, maybe, but these guys don't. We own them. We breed them. I guess cows might need a little more respect, but I only say that out of the fact that happy cows are tasty cows. And I respect Hinduism... But let's face it. If I fight for these animal's rights, it's because I want them to taste better. I don't believe in vegetarianism, it's just unnatural. I mean that in the most literal sense; we've still got big honking canines for tearing meat, and eyes on the front of our head so we can hunt and eat the things with eyes on the side of their head.

On pets: I just feel abuse here needs punishment. When a living creature entrusts you with its love and life, its your responsibility to take care of it and not abuse it. That said, I do still believe in punishment. If a dog bites you, it needs to be taught a quick lesson. If a cat decides your shoes are as good as litter, give it some make-up. But without due reason, love your pets. (Within reason; dog bakeries and cat ballets... just shouldn't exist.)

On wild animals; wilds need our respect and protection... but I can also see the romance of hunting them. Plus, there's just the matter of pest control. Bunnies are fluffy and adorable... unless you're in Australia. Wolves are noble and mighty... unless they're killing your cattle. Wild boars are strong and powerful... unless they're digging up your farm. Wild animals are the most complex of part of this issue for me because there are too many variables to consider. That said: Whaling is perhaps the most outdated and barbaric hunting practice I can conceive of. Who the devil still needs whale meat to exist? This isn't even hunting anymore; this is literally finding a large, slow, animal and shoving dynamite under its skin so it bleeds to death. Not to mention the fact that whale meat is absolutely laden with mercury. For pity's sake, it makes bull-fighting look like ballet. At least the bull can stab back.

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

I'm for it, but on a more moderate scale. Animals can be hunted and consumed. It's been part of the natural order since before the dawn of man. Likewise, animals can be used for labor and entertainment if the conditions are civil enough. We are more intelligent, we provide them with exercise, and we benefit from it in the long run. Most importantly, though, is that animals are a living resource, with the same emotions as us. We should use them wisely, certainly moreso than we have been.

Yes, I'm a furry. Yes, I like animals far more than I do most humans. Yes, I find comfort in assigning humanoid characteristics to said animals. However, I'm levelheaded enough to know what to do in serious discussion.

 

[Squedee]

Every time i hear animal rights it involve house pets or stock animals and they say they speak for ALL animals
they don't take into account the animals that fight back, like wolves, and bears and stuff
but thats just when i hear it, others may have heard different
plus, it really doesn't matter, cause weve always hunted and killed animals for food, why should that concept change?

Spoiler: Right Here

basically

 

[Seanchaidh]

When it comes to testing I'm firmly opposed to testing cosmetics on animals, what is the fucking point,

Well, you probably wouldn't know unless you were involved in that billion dollar industry. Maybe a person who works in cosmetics can explain?

 

[PurpleRain]

refrain means to hold ones self back. so you've said that you did NOT refrain from name calling? do you just throw in words all willy nilly? if you don't want to argue you shouldn't start arguments by unnecessarily tattling, tattletale.

Okay, that was an mistake I made while re-editing my sentence, but now I am amused by how childish you're acting. I guess I'm to take all this like a joke?

 

[Cavouku]

I say we can eat them, but how about this; DUEL TO THE DEATH!!!

You VS Pig/Cow/Bull/Foul, whatever. If you can kill them in a no-holds bar cage match to the death, barbecue!

I kid. I think animals are nice and all, but humans need meat. Though, granted, some of us eat too much meat, or at least... stuff that's sort of meat... like McDonald's.

Down with Mccy D's.

EDIT: Something about cosmetics? I almost thought that nowadays you could make synthetic skin or something, but if not, well... I don't like most dolled-up women. They seem so... fake. But I don't know what cosmetics here, so oh well. I can't say don't do it, but if it's just drawing on pigs, WTF?