Poll: Which is better in self defense?
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Basic Training. It would be interesting to hear his input, considering his knowledge of martial arts. Then again the whole "Which is the best?" argument is pointless, as Alex already pointed out.Danny Ocean said:
I had a decent sized quote on the last page about this misconception. Come on, it's only been three pages. That isn't very much to read.avykins said:Western martial arts ?
You mean like glock/magnum ?
Westerners have boxing or kick boxing and thats really it...
Sod a specialised for of martial arts, because the moment I sock the attacker, I'll get hit with assault charges...
Generally, it's going to go like this with me:
Run,
If they prevent me from running, wait for the attacker to threaten me (in Australian law, as long as the threat is plausible, it'll hold up in court);
Somehow impair their ability to harm me, also preferably to chase me (thanks to Nilcypher and the others for attacks other than the groin-shot),
Leg it.
Hopefully, I just have to use 1, and not lose my temper, and I'll make it out alive, with my stuff, and no law-suit.
Generally, it's going to go like this with me:
Run,
If they prevent me from running, wait for the attacker to threaten me (in Australian law, as long as the threat is plausible, it'll hold up in court);
Somehow impair their ability to harm me, also preferably to chase me (thanks to Nilcypher and the others for attacks other than the groin-shot),
Leg it.
Hopefully, I just have to use 1, and not lose my temper, and I'll make it out alive, with my stuff, and no law-suit.
I used to be a yellow belt in karate. It has helped me none through the years, but I'd rather know it than not. Also, I've heard of this form of kung fu called the southern mantis. Does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?
Everyone at the upper tier of martial arts fights the same. It does not matter what style you pick, as long as you learn to be good with it. Eventually, every art worth learning starts covering all the same stuff. Sure, it may LOOK different, but the core skills are the same.
That said, there are some martial arts being taught by so-called "experts" that really aren't worth it. Any sensei/sifu/instructor, for example, that promotes a kid under 12 years old to the rank of Black Belt really doesn't know what they're doing. Yeah, Black Belt is just a "start," but it denotes at least semi-decent skills. Most under-12s just can't learn everything there is to learn well enough (I think) to have legitimately earned their belt. Even my current sensei admitted to me that he judges their martial arts by very relaxed standards compared to the adult students.
That rant over with, running and fighting dirty/killing your opponent outright before they can even see you are probably the "best" martial arts. As in, I imagine they'll keep you alive the longest, assuming police officers don't try to arrest you for mangling some drunk hobo because you thought he was after your wallet.
They should have it there.
That said, there are some martial arts being taught by so-called "experts" that really aren't worth it. Any sensei/sifu/instructor, for example, that promotes a kid under 12 years old to the rank of Black Belt really doesn't know what they're doing. Yeah, Black Belt is just a "start," but it denotes at least semi-decent skills. Most under-12s just can't learn everything there is to learn well enough (I think) to have legitimately earned their belt. Even my current sensei admitted to me that he judges their martial arts by very relaxed standards compared to the adult students.
That rant over with, running and fighting dirty/killing your opponent outright before they can even see you are probably the "best" martial arts. As in, I imagine they'll keep you alive the longest, assuming police officers don't try to arrest you for mangling some drunk hobo because you thought he was after your wallet.
http://www.shaolin.com/StyleContent.aspx?Style=Styles
They should have it there.
Don't mean to double post (if I end up doing that), but you are awesome. I was trying to teach my friend martial arts, and he just wanted to stand around and talk about it all day. You know, possible "moves to defeat moves, styles that are the best, weapons that are/aren't better than hand-to-hand..." It was driving me crazy, especially since he couldn't even throw a decent punch. We could have just DONE a bunch of practice in the time it took for me to try to answer his pointless, speculative questions.alexdakid6 said:
Funny how people go on and on about fighting styles and which are superior.
Krav Maga is made famous because of the approach taught along with the system: No holds barred, get the job done, move on.
This is not unique to Krav Maga. Any sufficiently practical fighter will know this. The reason KM is so useful is not just the fighting style itself but also the simple common sense Krav Maga practitioners will beat into their students' heads. "This ain't no game. Go for the jugular."
Remember the core of Bruce Lee's fighting philosophy. It's not about the style of the fighter, it's about the fighter's skill. A hardened boxer will beat a novice in Krav Maga. A Baguazhang master could disarm an idiot with a gun faster than he could blink. (Against a pro with a gun, he'd be smart enough to try other means. Including any dirty trick he could think of to give himself an opening to disarm the guy.)
If you train intensively against opponents who barely hold back, where sparring is nearly as brutal as real combat, where your reflexes and strength are taxed almost to your breaking point, you're going to be a better fighter than someone whose training is lax. And by "lax," I mean where sparring is restrained and focused on "technique" more than fighting, where practicing forms is more important than practical defensive tricks, and where you're more expected to show off your skills in relatively controlled environments (tournaments, say). That sort of person is less a fighter, more an athlete and performer.
This comes back around to Krav Maga, whose practitioners focus their training entirely on practicality and not on sport. This is why it's so effective, and in turn why it's so famous.
But, really, any competent student or teacher could instill the same common sense. And, let's face it, there's nothing wrong with having philosophy and self-discipline tied into the package.
(Israeli commandos, when learning Krav Maga, don't need philosophy and self-discipline taught to them with their martial art. They're already drilled for that by their military lifestyle and other aspects of their training. And if you don't think a soldier's training doesn't develop a different sort of philosophy than that espoused by most civilians, you probably haven't met too many soldiers. They might keep it close to heart and hidden, but in order to be a good soldier that part of the training has to stick. Often times it's a life-or-death matter.)
Krav Maga is made famous because of the approach taught along with the system: No holds barred, get the job done, move on.
This is not unique to Krav Maga. Any sufficiently practical fighter will know this. The reason KM is so useful is not just the fighting style itself but also the simple common sense Krav Maga practitioners will beat into their students' heads. "This ain't no game. Go for the jugular."
Remember the core of Bruce Lee's fighting philosophy. It's not about the style of the fighter, it's about the fighter's skill. A hardened boxer will beat a novice in Krav Maga. A Baguazhang master could disarm an idiot with a gun faster than he could blink. (Against a pro with a gun, he'd be smart enough to try other means. Including any dirty trick he could think of to give himself an opening to disarm the guy.)
If you train intensively against opponents who barely hold back, where sparring is nearly as brutal as real combat, where your reflexes and strength are taxed almost to your breaking point, you're going to be a better fighter than someone whose training is lax. And by "lax," I mean where sparring is restrained and focused on "technique" more than fighting, where practicing forms is more important than practical defensive tricks, and where you're more expected to show off your skills in relatively controlled environments (tournaments, say). That sort of person is less a fighter, more an athlete and performer.
This comes back around to Krav Maga, whose practitioners focus their training entirely on practicality and not on sport. This is why it's so effective, and in turn why it's so famous.
But, really, any competent student or teacher could instill the same common sense. And, let's face it, there's nothing wrong with having philosophy and self-discipline tied into the package.
(Israeli commandos, when learning Krav Maga, don't need philosophy and self-discipline taught to them with their martial art. They're already drilled for that by their military lifestyle and other aspects of their training. And if you don't think a soldier's training doesn't develop a different sort of philosophy than that espoused by most civilians, you probably haven't met too many soldiers. They might keep it close to heart and hidden, but in order to be a good soldier that part of the training has to stick. Often times it's a life-or-death matter.)
I'd say Western, look at Russian martial arts. Damn, they're unstoppable. It's called "Systema"
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/143577/specnaz_show/
Check that out, they're insane.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/143577/specnaz_show/
Check that out, they're insane.
A tazer; it requires no training (Other than learning how to use the tazer), they go down and there is no mess or injuries for the attacker to use against you in court.
I have no feelings on the movie, i am merely attempting to optimizeJinxyKatte said:
(clearly also love it)
It usually has to make contact. A novice with a tazer will just get it taken away and used on him. I'd say most higher-level martial artists are capable of doing this.hypothetical fact said:
If your opponent is a man, I'd go with the kick between legs and run off. Otherwise, I'd go with CQC from Metal Gear Solid.
Groin shots are pretty painful for girls as well, or so say my female friends. I've also been told that being punched, elbowed or whatever in the boob hurts quite a bit as well. Don't count on that unless someone can confirm it for me, though...Ace of Spades said:
On-topic, I think it's been said, but whatever gets the job done. If someone's trying to hurt you, hurt them back. However that happens. Kick them in the groin (regardless of gender, it will hurt), stamp their feet, kick their shins, kneecaps, whatever. If you've been trained in a martial art - any martial art - use that training to maximum effect. Don't do flashy moves, nobody's going to grade you for it.
The only reason I'd willingly fight someone would be to stop them hurting myself or others, and that goal would be foremost in my mind when fighting. Although I wouldn't be much use in a fight, I'm pretty weak.