Poll: Which is worse: Rape or Murder?

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

logically i should say murders worse since its permanent. But i really feel that rape is worse.

 

[Michael Logan]

Rape. Such as (But not exactly what) Kolosus said, A murder can have a plausible reason for it. Otherwise, The Punisher would be no better than those he punishes. But rape has no reason. I'd rather see my parents watch my trial for murder, than to see myself in trial for rape.

The Punisher is no better than those he punishes...

 

[Mikeyfell]

Rape is the worst thing one person can do to another.

There is no justification for that.
Rape is torture, it's trauma that people (potentially) never get over.


Murder can be justified, murder can be merciful.
Ultimately murder is neutral to the party involved. (Clarification: you kill someone they can't feel anything)

If I found out that my best friend raped someone I'd kill him.

Unless he raped a pro-lifer to prove a point.
There's the only rape justification. You can rape pro-lifers

 

[godofgamers]

Someone once said that dead is the great equalizer of all life. Indeed, The Punisher is no better than those he kills, but the question is: Given that he is not in the right, is he entirely wrong?

 

[Jonluw]

I honestly don't think murder is as bad as many other crimes out there.
"Oh no, someone died." People die all the time.

Commiting a horrible act of sexual violence, and then leaving the victim alive to be scarred for life is much worse in my opinion.
Living and suffering is worse than being dead.

But maybe I'm just saying that because I'm a suicidal moron. Other people surely have other opinions.

 

[Mikeyfell]

logically i should say murders worse since its permanent. But i really feel that rape is worse.

Weird I say the same for an opposite(ish) reason.

Rape is worse because it has long term effects.
Murder is better because it's instant. (And murder can be justified.)

 

[Bobbity]

Murder. I know that rape is unbelievably horrible, but with time, support and luck, you can get over it. The same can't be said for murder.

 

[godofgamers]

Found an interesting video: http://academicearth.org/lectures/morality-of-muder-and-cannibalism

It's a lecture given by a professor at Harvard to do with the morality of murder.

13 minutes in and I knew he was going to give us comparisons that don't work.

Like the 1 severely injured vs. 5 moderately injured.

All that's relevant is that 6 people will die, and you can either treat one of them or 5 of them.

It's not even a question of morality it's a question of "which number is bigger?" and "are you an idiot?".

To compare this with murdering someone else to harvest their organs is an insult.

Sorry about that, I hadn't watched it all the way through. I didn't know he'd be such a jackass.

 

[Jonluw]

I honestly don't think murder is as bad as many other crimes out there.
"Oh no, someone died." People die all the time.

And the people close to them consider it a tragedy. Although any bad thing you can think of happens all the time. Were you beat up? People get injured all the time. Robbed? People lose their possessions all the time. Raped? Yeah that happens a lot.

You obviously didn't get my point.
What you replied to was the introduction to my post.
Here's the core of it:

Commiting a horrible act of sexual violence, and then leaving the victim alive to be scarred for life is much worse in my opinion.
Living and suffering is worse than being dead.

My point is that dying isn't all that horrible a thing to go through, assuming it's fairly painless.

Torture is worse than killing, in my opinion.

 

[SinisterGehe]

Murder - you can get help to have happy life after rape and you can fell happiness and safety afterwards, if you are stone cold dead you can't really help yourself.

 

[Astoria]

Depends. In some cases rape would be worse and in others murder would be. You can't recover from murder but sometimes people can't really recover from rape either so I'd say they're as bad as each other.

 

[Jonluw]

I honestly don't think murder is as bad as many other crimes out there.
"Oh no, someone died." People die all the time.

And the people close to them consider it a tragedy. Although any bad thing you can think of happens all the time. Were you beat up? People get injured all the time. Robbed? People lose their possessions all the time. Raped? Yeah that happens a lot.

You obviously didn't get my point.
What you replied to was the introduction to my post.
Here's the core of it:

Commiting a horrible act of sexual violence, and then leaving the victim alive to be scarred for life is much worse in my opinion.
Living and suffering is worse than being dead.

My point is that dying isn't all that horrible a thing to go through, assuming it's fairly painless.

Torture is worse than killing, in my opinion.

It's not the dying it's the shear nothingness that follows. You don't exist, you literally can't do anything. You can't even be lazy. You have no experiences left, you're through you're finished. I'd say better luck next time but there is no next time.

Indeed, and why is that such a horrible thing?
We're all going to reach that point in a relatively short time. Some sooner than others, it isn't that big a deal if you ask me.
Sure, it's annoying that you didn't get to finish the stuff you wanted to do, I still have a decent anime backlog for example, but does it really matter that much that you didn't get to see your grandchildren. It's not like it'll bother you: you'll be dead.

Personally, I consider living a life of pain and depression, even if you eventually get over it, to be far worse a fate than simply ceasing to exist.

Edit: I might add that the scenario I'm imagining here is one where it's a pretty violent rape by the way. I don't think some simple non-violent lack-of-consent sex is worse than murder.
If someone had sex with you even though you didn't really want to... get over it. Quit those fantasies about the sanctity of virginity, you aren't much worse off by the end of the day.
Sure, cry a bit: deal with your feelings, but there's no reason to think your life is ruined because you had sex with someone you didn't really want to. Married people have to deal with that almost every day (badum-tish)

 

[Wutaiflea]

There's no right or wrong answer. Crimes like this cannot be quantified in that way, although law in this country (UK) clearly makes out that murder is worse.

Personally, as someone who counsels rape victims, the affects of this kind of abuse are life-long- it doesn't go away.
People who successfully come out of a course of counselling for rape or sexual abuse will continue to deal with the effects for the rest of their lives, just with better and more efficient coping strategies. Frequently, they will end up requiring more counselling later in their lives- the counselling that some people on here seem to think is a permanent fix, is not.

One of the most common things I hear as a rape counsellor is "I wish I was dead". Victims suffer a life sentence, and yet their attackers get just a few years in prison.

 

[Tizzmarelda]

rape. because murder can be justified where as rape is always wrong.