Poll: who are worse?
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The Taliban.
As evil as the Nazis were, they did have a mighty military and made Germany a Super power in a very short time. So that makes them Succesfull at least.
The Taliban are now just a terrorist group that has no economic or political power.
In terms of gaming I really don't care. WOn't be buying MOH anyway.
As evil as the Nazis were, they did have a mighty military and made Germany a Super power in a very short time. So that makes them Succesfull at least.
The Taliban are now just a terrorist group that has no economic or political power.
In terms of gaming I really don't care. WOn't be buying MOH anyway.
oh god, what have i done, am i the only one that actually thought "neither"???
well... in the end i actually think U.S-Taliban-Nazi´s-Russia-China-North Corea, are the same
they look at their interests and they do whatever it takes to make them happen... of course each one of them make it the way they can, but in the end, the "winner" is the one that gets to tell the story of how BIG and UGLY and EVIL their enemy was.
and i´m starting to belive less and less in the histories told by History channel...
but thats MY oppinion... no intent in offending anyone.
well... in the end i actually think U.S-Taliban-Nazi´s-Russia-China-North Corea, are the same
they look at their interests and they do whatever it takes to make them happen... of course each one of them make it the way they can, but in the end, the "winner" is the one that gets to tell the story of how BIG and UGLY and EVIL their enemy was.
and i´m starting to belive less and less in the histories told by History channel...
but thats MY oppinion... no intent in offending anyone.
Neither there both human and saying one group is more "evil" then the other is sad. the whole idea of good/evil is based on perspective like if you went back in time and asked a nazi if hes "evil" he would of course say no because in his mind hes the "good" guy so what Im trying to say is that the UKs gov is retarded because it doesnt matter what banner you fly under because when it comes down to it your just one smelly human shooting at another different looking smelly human...
Six million others, but yes, they often tend to be neglected. Ironic, since it was this sort of writing-off that making the Holocaust such a huge part of the public consciousness was supposed to prevent in the first place.Blue-State said:
OT: Nazis. Although believing every individual fighting for either group is intrinsically evil is pretty ridiculous in the first place.
Joseph Stalin would like a word with you.Trebort said:
Ok one ageing MP wants to ban it, NOT all of the UK and the MP for culture has said that Liam Fox's opinions don't reflect the government's.henritje said:
I don't know what worse, the fact you bothered to make this thread or the fact that I actually voted for it?
I said Taliban.
The reason for this is that while bad, I think the Nazis have been greatly exagerrated by propaganda during the war. As I've mentioned before, we know that things like human flesh lampshades, and portable bone grinding machines were complete lies intended to demonize the enemy, a good thing to do in a time of war.
The Nazis were a bigger threat because they had the power, resources, and popularity to make a pretty solid bid for world domination, and came extremely close to success.
I however think The Taliban is "worse" because while not as powerful in an overt sense as the Nazis were, their objectives are much scarier in the end. The Nazis wanted to conquer the world and annihilate two groups of people: Jews and Gypsies. The Taliban wants to pretty much kill or enslave everyone other than themselves. Where the Nazis were more or less driven by reason (even in some of the occult motivations), The Taliban are beyond reason since they are fighting based on faith.
What's more, few people take the threat posed seriously, which is why they haven't been demonized, and why instead of fighting a real war to deal with the problem, we have instead engaged in a sort of ongoing occupation/police action.
While a lot of people don't like what I think on the subject, I will also say that I think the problem is the culture of the region in general. "The Taliban", "Al Queda", and other groups are just the flavor of the week. We're not dealing with a fringe element in the region, but with the majority, even if most do not actively fight. The problem with engaging something like "The Taliban" is that those "poor oppressed people" actually aid the enemy en-masse and are willing to literally sacrifice themselves to protect Taliban fighters. According to reports I've read in both Iraq and Afghanistan one of the problems with ambushes is that you'll have enemy fighters approach in crowds of people, fire an RPG at a jeep or something, and then hit or miss flee, with the crowd litterally closing around them so that American troops won't return fire due to the "civilians" and if any of those people are hurt a big deal is made out of it which hampers out efforts due to liberal outcry, people will pay more attention to the "poor unarmed civilians, gunned down by soldiers" than the flaming jeep and dead US/allied troops.
The Nazis represented an overt threat we were mentally and morally prepared to face. Soldiers, armies, and a clear enough threat where we were able to control information enough where we didn't have backlash when our troops did what was nessicary against groups like the Hitler Youth and Volkssturm. To beat groups like The Taliban, we need to pretty much realize that our morality in how to engage in warfare against who is wrong, despite how deeply engrained it is. When I (and on other sites, other people) talk about waging a "total war" either on the entire region, or specific countries we are involved in, people immediatly freak since a lot of it matches what people have been taught to consider Genocide even if it's not.
The Taliban have the abillity to keep us occupied indefinatly by representing a reality that the US and it's allies are simply unable to adapt our morality to. The Nazis were an enemy that we could fight and work to destroy with all our effort, The Taliban so far is not by it's nature.
I know many are going to disagree, but these are my thoughts.
The reason for this is that while bad, I think the Nazis have been greatly exagerrated by propaganda during the war. As I've mentioned before, we know that things like human flesh lampshades, and portable bone grinding machines were complete lies intended to demonize the enemy, a good thing to do in a time of war.
The Nazis were a bigger threat because they had the power, resources, and popularity to make a pretty solid bid for world domination, and came extremely close to success.
I however think The Taliban is "worse" because while not as powerful in an overt sense as the Nazis were, their objectives are much scarier in the end. The Nazis wanted to conquer the world and annihilate two groups of people: Jews and Gypsies. The Taliban wants to pretty much kill or enslave everyone other than themselves. Where the Nazis were more or less driven by reason (even in some of the occult motivations), The Taliban are beyond reason since they are fighting based on faith.
What's more, few people take the threat posed seriously, which is why they haven't been demonized, and why instead of fighting a real war to deal with the problem, we have instead engaged in a sort of ongoing occupation/police action.
While a lot of people don't like what I think on the subject, I will also say that I think the problem is the culture of the region in general. "The Taliban", "Al Queda", and other groups are just the flavor of the week. We're not dealing with a fringe element in the region, but with the majority, even if most do not actively fight. The problem with engaging something like "The Taliban" is that those "poor oppressed people" actually aid the enemy en-masse and are willing to literally sacrifice themselves to protect Taliban fighters. According to reports I've read in both Iraq and Afghanistan one of the problems with ambushes is that you'll have enemy fighters approach in crowds of people, fire an RPG at a jeep or something, and then hit or miss flee, with the crowd litterally closing around them so that American troops won't return fire due to the "civilians" and if any of those people are hurt a big deal is made out of it which hampers out efforts due to liberal outcry, people will pay more attention to the "poor unarmed civilians, gunned down by soldiers" than the flaming jeep and dead US/allied troops.
The Nazis represented an overt threat we were mentally and morally prepared to face. Soldiers, armies, and a clear enough threat where we were able to control information enough where we didn't have backlash when our troops did what was nessicary against groups like the Hitler Youth and Volkssturm. To beat groups like The Taliban, we need to pretty much realize that our morality in how to engage in warfare against who is wrong, despite how deeply engrained it is. When I (and on other sites, other people) talk about waging a "total war" either on the entire region, or specific countries we are involved in, people immediatly freak since a lot of it matches what people have been taught to consider Genocide even if it's not.
The Taliban have the abillity to keep us occupied indefinatly by representing a reality that the US and it's allies are simply unable to adapt our morality to. The Nazis were an enemy that we could fight and work to destroy with all our effort, The Taliban so far is not by it's nature.
I know many are going to disagree, but these are my thoughts.
It's not just a matter of unpopular opinion... it's the fact that the Nazis were cruel and racist. The slaughter of millions is never justified, even if you fought and died for your ideals.AWAR said:
They're both bad people... you can't really judge evilness.
I was unaware of this ban, interesting stuff.
I dunno peronsally i think the people who take up all the arm rest space in the pictures don't deserve breath but to be frank, the Nazi as a threatening force do not exist anymore, and the Taliban are a maltia concern with the preservation of their land and over zealously protecting their skewed beliefs.
Personally i think you've missed out about 600 other options you could have put such as, KKK, BNP and various other predjudice parties, but to be frank this poll is the moral equivilent of pirate vs. ninja and might i remind you of Godwin's Law.
I dunno peronsally i think the people who take up all the arm rest space in the pictures don't deserve breath but to be frank, the Nazi as a threatening force do not exist anymore, and the Taliban are a maltia concern with the preservation of their land and over zealously protecting their skewed beliefs.
Personally i think you've missed out about 600 other options you could have put such as, KKK, BNP and various other predjudice parties, but to be frank this poll is the moral equivilent of pirate vs. ninja and might i remind you of Godwin's Law.
