Poll: Who do you Believe, your Eyes or the Facts?

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Quaxar

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interspark said:
the refraction of light was discovered back in the days of crazy religion nuts running england. To have claimed that a rainbow (a work of god) had six colours (number of the devil) would have got clever mr science man hung (or hanged, i can never remember) so he essentially invented the colour violet, true story, next time you see a rainbow look closely, there is only ONE shade of purple
You don't happen to have a source for this? Sounds like an interesting story.

And: facts. Although I maybe question facts when it contradicts what I see.
 

FlameUnquenchable

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interspark said:
im afraid ive never actually studied photons so i cant really relate to what you just said (although i am smart enough to get a vauge idea) but i would imagine from a planet with an atmosphere orbiting a red giant, the sky would appear red
Rayleigh scattering The reason the sky is blue, is because blue is a shorter wavelength of light that is easily scattered by individual atoms and molecules, so you actually see more blue in the sky than any other color. Also, why you see the sun as yellow. The eye isn't 'tricking' you it's picking up exactly what is there, it's just that the brain has to understand why certain things are the way they are.

Also, the Sun is not true white, the Sun's temperature is at approx. 5780K, actually a slightly peach color. It's close enough to call white for observation though.

That being said, I trust my eyes in some situations, and facts in others. If my eyes seem to tell me something that my brain doesn't believe, then I go try to find out how to make the two agree, or figure out what exactly my eyes did see, and what wasn't seen.
 

mad825

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Sadly because I rely on one big processor, I feel like it's prone to numerous glitches and bugs but then again who isn't to say that I am the only real person here and the rest of you are NPCs.
 

Kpt._Rob

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If you're going with facts, one might contend that the sun, and everything else for that matter, doesn't have ANY color. Color is just an abstract value assigned to certain wavelengths of light by our brains when they're creating the model we see of the world in order to help break it down into more distinguishable parts because it's evolutionarily beneficial.
 

interspark

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Quaxar said:
You don't happen to have a source for this? Sounds like an interesting story.

And: facts. Although I maybe question facts when it contradicts what I see.
fraid not, i learned about it in school, you could always google it
 

interspark

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Kpt._Rob said:
If you're going with facts, one might contend that the sun, and everything else for that matter, doesn't have ANY color. Color is just an abstract value assigned to certain wavelengths of light by our brains when they're creating the model we see of the world in order to help break it down into more distinguishable parts because it's evolutionarily beneficial.
what you just described..... IS COLOUR!
 

interspark

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mad825 said:
Sadly because I rely on one big processor, I feel like it's prone to numerous glitches and bugs but then again who isn't to say that I am the only real person here and the rest of you are NPCs.
IM NO NPC! although now that you mention i DO have a curious urge to trade my dugtrio for a raichu of yours... (its a 1st gen pokemon joke, dont worry if you dont get it)
 

Moriarty

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you shouldn't trust either of those.

fun fact: human eyes are pretty crappy, most things we think we "see" are just illusions created by our brain to fill the holes in our vision.
 

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Dan B said:
I believe neither, facts can be manipulated with psuedo-logic or people lying and you're eyes are even less reliable.
P.S. technically if light is split it releases every colour of light, as the colours merge between the main bands there are thousands of colours....
depends how literal you take the word "fact" i guess, if a fact is the only truth

though knowing the truth (and knowing it is the truth above being told it is the truth) versus seeing the truth ... sigh
 

rokkolpo

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if my eyes see a box on the ground i'm going to make it a fact that the box is on the ground.
it's both.

it has also been proven that when you see something you couldn't care less about facts.(think religion)
I SAW IT DAMNIT!
 

Z(ombie)fan

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Anthan said:
If you look hard enough you will see the facts the way they are so technically both.
your first post has surpirising intelligence and a perfect comeback to my archnemisis!

well played sir!
 

Zombie_Fish

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I believe both with some scepticism for both. Your eyes can be obscured and your brain can misinterpret things, any optical illusion [http://files.sharenator.com/black_dots_optical_illusion_Optical_illusions-s390x325-13679-580.gif] can explain that much.

As for the facts, they may not be reliable either. If seeing is innacurate then it does question how the facts were obtained in the first place. If it was done via experiment then what was the uncertainty? What evidence is there to show that the facts aren't very factual? Are the facts from bias sources or sources with a vested interest? Are there any more rational hypothese which can explain just as much with less assumptions? This leaves space for people to be sceptical about facts and knowledge.

If I really had to choose over a confliction between a fact and whhat I see, I'd end up confused at first. However, I'd probably go for facts over what I see, as that is probably the more certain one. Judging the colour of the sun by looking at it is a stupid thing to do as it damages your eyes, so you're left blind and you would end up with a potentially skewed idea of the sun's colour anyway.

spartan231490 said:
also, i had never heard that about the violet thing. Not sure if i believe you cuz im pretty sure my high school earth schience reference table had an energy range for violet, but i could be wrong. Also, i think ive seen 2 shades of purple from a prism, but that was even longer ago, so once again, i could be wrong. I would be interested in reading your source for that.
Well, there's supposedly no indigo, but there is a cyan between green and blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refraction_of_Prisms_and_the_Spectrum_of_Light#Spectral_colors

It's Wikipedia so take it with some salt.

There are lots of theories about the colours Indigo and Violet in the visible light spectrum. The one that is cited for Wikipedia states that Newton originally had five colours and then added orange and indigo in based off of the number of notes in a musical scale:

Newton's color-mixing circle had transformed the linear spectrum into a circle. Newton may have seen colors as cyclical. He certainly saw them as musical, much as Aristotle had. At first, Newton split his spectrum into five principal colors. But the number did not fit his conception that colors, like notes of music, expressed harmonies. A spectrum of colors, like a musical scale, he imagined, must have seven steps to make a full octave. (Note, here, the converse use of the color term 'chromatic' applied to musical scales that include all their accidentals, or half-steps.) To arrive at the requisite seven "notes," then, Newton inserted orange and indigo into his initial scheme, each addition representing a narrow "half-step" appropriately spaced in the spectral "scale." The roygbiv designation so familiar today thus not only reflects an arbitrary division of the spectrum, but also one shaped by a musical notion of octaves and the diatonic scale.
Source [http://www1.umn.edu/ships/updates/newton1.htm]

Wiki section [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#Distinct_colours]

Once again, take with some salt as noone's actually sure on why Newton chose seven colours, be it religious nutjobs, musical scales or simply a fondness for the number 7.

EDIT: Off-topic (like most of this post, but even more so), but Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon cover only features six colours [http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-4/pink-floyd-dark-side-of-the-moon-cover.jpg]. Just felt like mentioning that for some reason.