Poll: Who do you Believe, your Eyes or the Facts?

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SimuLord

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For matters that can be empirically proven, the facts.

For my religious beliefs, my eyes and my soul.
 

Abengoshis

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Moriarty said:
you shouldn't trust either of those.

fun fact: human eyes are pretty crappy, most things we think we "see" are just illusions created by our brain to fill the holes in our vision.
You're claiming this with which evidence? I know our brains make up things if we don't know what they are, but if I'm understanding you correctly you're talking about forming an entire object from imagination and placing it in our vision...
 

manythings

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You need both and good sense to tell when one of them, if not both, is leading you astray. Also I thought Indigo was the one the invented. Also just for science based history look up Phlogiston, it is a very important lesson about how you can have all the facts and still have the wrong answer.
 

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interspark said:
im afraid ive never actually studied photons so i cant really relate to what you just said (although i am smart enough to get a vauge idea) but i would imagine from a planet with an atmosphere orbiting a red giant, the sky would appear red
A star is made up of many elements that fuse together to create energy. The energy causes the elements to reach an "excited state [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state]". When returning to the "ground state", a photon is emitted. Different elements produce different colours due to then possessing different energy levels. Stars tend to have a wide variety of elements so produce a full spectrum of colours. Some stars, however, possess more of a single element than other stars, so produce more colour in one part of the spectrum. This allows many different coloured stars to exist such as green, orange, blue and, in the case of our sun, yellow. These stars still produce a full spectrum, but are noticeably more abundant in a particular hue of light.

Red giants on the other hand are made up predominantly of the element iron, so produces little but the red part of the spectrum.

I hope you understand this. Trying to recall my school lessons is hard when very tired. Anything you don't understand, just google it.
 

Zombie_Fish

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spartan231490 said:
well, 7 is the holy number. beyond that, an octave has 8 notes, that why it's called an octave.
Yes, an octave has 8 notes, but a scale has only 7 notes (only exceptions being pentatonic and chromatic scales). As an example, C Major has the notes C, D, E, F, G, A, B and then you have gotten back to the starting note of C, so there's only 7 different notes in the scale. Newton was supposedly applying the same principle to the colour circle:

Newton's color-mixing circle had transformed the linear spectrum into a circle. Newton may have seen colors as cyclical... A spectrum of colors, like a musical scale, he imagined, must have seven steps to make a full octave.
...with it going from primary colours of Red to Green to Blue (with all the colours in between: yellow, violet etc.) and then going back to red again. 7 colours before going back to the 8[sup]th[/sup] colour or the original colour, like a musical scale. This is the design that the colour wheel [http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/9/94/BSoD-ItL-colour-wheel.png] was based upon.

Of course, whilst the colour-wheel design is useful in Art, it provides little use in Physics, where we know that the electromagnetic spectrum is a linear scale with areas of it non-visible by humans at both extremes and visible light making up a section in between.
 

Sewblon

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This is a strange question. Ultimately, we get all of our information from our senses so how can we know what the facts are independently from our senses?
 

Kiefer13

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Empiricism vs Rationalism, eh?

I tend to like to think of myself as a rational and logical person, so I would tend to go with the facts. But the senses (in this case, sight) should not be discounted, as even though they are not insusceptible to doubt they still provide valuable information, and really without the senses it would be very difficult to find any facts. So I'd have to say that both are important.
 

Quaxar

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interspark said:
Quaxar said:
You don't happen to have a source for this? Sounds like an interesting story.

And: facts. Although I maybe question facts when it contradicts what I see.
fraid not, i learned about it in school, you could always google it
Yes, well, all I am able to find is about Newton introducing first five, then seven colors of the rainbow. That's why I hoped you had something... ah, but however.
 

Reenix

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I have horrible vision anyway, corrected only by nuclear-strength contact lenses.
 

conflictofinterests

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Magicians.

People cannot act except based on their own perception. One of the factors that separates the intelligent creatures from the not so intelligent ones is the ability to purposely misrepresent reality to alter the perception of another in one's favor. Lying and trickery is integral to the league of intellect we're in, and as such when confronted with verifiable facts that conflict with things I have observed, I will often attempt to find the misrepresentation I have been fed.
 

Sovvolf

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Not sure if I've already been ninja'd on this but as the great Obi-Wan Kenobi once said "Your eye's can deceive you don't trust them".

Okay what I mean by using that quote is that... our eye's and mind can play tricks on us, solid facts are more reliable in some cases.
 

senorcromas

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I'd like to be able to say the facts, but I'd be lying.

Eyes may be subjective, but it's also instinctual to believe what you see.
 
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Typically my eyes. I don't like relying on my eyes but I like relying on facts even less. As far as I'm concerned there are no 'facts' as we define them (a philosophical viewpoint I really don't want to argue about right now, so please no quoting to tell me how wrong I am), so that leaves me with the evidence of my eyes, which I know full well can be deceived and are capable of flaws.

Also OP: Hung is the past participle of anything which was in the past suspended. Hanged refers specifically to a human being who was in the past suspended by the neck. One theory holds that it was a legal term, derived to only have that meaning, but of course the origin of the word has been lost long ago.
 

Moriarty

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Abengoshis said:
Moriarty said:
you shouldn't trust either of those.

fun fact: human eyes are pretty crappy, most things we think we "see" are just illusions created by our brain to fill the holes in our vision.
You're claiming this with which evidence? I know our brains make up things if we don't know what they are, but if I'm understanding you correctly you're talking about forming an entire object from imagination and placing it in our vision...
I didn't exactly say that, the brain just doesn't grab a random object and places it in our field of view, we would notice the error (sometimes it happens tho, and we DO notice) but it fills many gaps in our vision.

Only a VERY small area in the center of your field of view is exactly as sharp as you perceive your entire field of view to be, it's the brain that gives you the illusion of having this huge field of view.
Also, the part of your field of view closest to the edge isn't in colour, you just don't notice.
Your eyes even have a blind spot, which the brain fills completely without you noticing, there is a trick which shows you this.. something about a black point on a paper disappearing if you look at the right angle.
 

theSovietConnection

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interspark said:
i got thinking about this because of the common belief that the sun is yellow, i disagree with this because the sun has to be white!
Ahh, but one must remember! White is not the absense of colour, but the presense of all colours. So the sun is indeed yellow, just it is also the other colours of the spectrum as well.

While I'm also busy nitpicking at things, you should also note that violet is the spectral colour, while purple is considered to be a non-spectral colour, as purple is obtained by mixing red and blue light, while violet occurs naturally in the spectrum.

As far as the poll goes, I'll believe half of what I see, and none of what I hear.