A lot of the great games that don't get released here are because of licensing issues. For example the one you mentioned. Viz owns Naruto, FUNimation owns DBZ and One Piece. Also, if you look at the top selling games in america, the best seller of feb was wii fit. About half of the top 20 for feb is wii shovel ware. The month Katamary Damaci was released it was outsold by Madden 2005.
Poll: Who Else Is Starting To Resent The Japanese?
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Much as I'm hoping that Atlus or somebody will translate and release Arcana Heart 2 and Fate/Unlimited Codes here in the U.S., I'm not sure I can resent the Japanese for it.
You forgot Avatar: The Last Airbender.Caliostro said:
I have a few japanise exclusive games, too, but I guess that I get what they're doing because localization and shipping would cost a lot of money, and mangas aren't as popular here as in Japan
I'm gonna have to say that I'm resenting 3D Realms. Duke Nukem Forever... *sniff*
Anyway; Its not so much the Japanese themselves as the Americanized fan base. Its all speculation, but I like certain anime, and there are a number of incredibly Japanese games I own (Okami being the most Japanese). I'm not a "Japan! ^_^ Pocky and Naruto and Final Fantasy VII!" kinda guy, but I have taken a shine to bits of the pop culture, and I bet this forum wouldn't exist if it was a subculture of this stuff that was located in America.
Anyway; Its not so much the Japanese themselves as the Americanized fan base. Its all speculation, but I like certain anime, and there are a number of incredibly Japanese games I own (Okami being the most Japanese). I'm not a "Japan! ^_^ Pocky and Naruto and Final Fantasy VII!" kinda guy, but I have taken a shine to bits of the pop culture, and I bet this forum wouldn't exist if it was a subculture of this stuff that was located in America.
Well, all things said I dislike American culture. The shoddy movies, to the overly American-ised tv shows (does "sandwiches" come to mind?) and definately the porn. Who wants to see some porn models ACTING in a porno? If they could actually act, don't you think they'd be doing something other than porn?Kukul said:
Oh yeah. And your food is terrible.
Japaneese culture is definately bright and colourful, and I like certain things like their manga and holidays. Their food is definately... different though. Not my taste at all.
The reason games stay in Japan is because they're made to appeal to...well Japanese. There's a big culture difference between Japan and West, and most developers over there are smart enough to realize that visual novel hentai games don't have a big audience anywhere outside Japan. Even most non-porn games don't appeal to westerners, so what's the point of shipping a game they will sell maybe 5 copies in the US?
Besides, most of the good Jap comes already ship out westward (Final Fantasy and the such). Japan knows I don't want to play most of their batshit crazy games, so they don't send them here. I'm sure I'll survive without a daterape simulator.
Besides, most of the good Jap comes already ship out westward (Final Fantasy and the such). Japan knows I don't want to play most of their batshit crazy games, so they don't send them here. I'm sure I'll survive without a daterape simulator.
.Well I've become increasingly anti-Japanese in recent years due to some of their increasingly racist attitudes. Don't get me wrong I appreciate good science fiction, fantasy, and horror, and a lot of the games, movies, anime, etc... are pretty cool.
But increasingly your seeing pressure to keep things "Japanese Only" in order to get "payback" on the West. I've seen some translations of Japanese fan mags and such that are almost scary in how anti-American a lot of the opinions are. They have a sort of weird attitude of wanting to be us, while also hating us more than anything because they aren't us (for lack of a better way of describing it).
While years ago, the final straw here actually occured over Final Fantasy X. Not only did America intentionally not get the so-called International version/expansion, but a deliberate effort was made to keep the ending of the story, a product called "Final Fantasy X: Final Mission" which wrapped up all the loose eneds, was not released in the US. Leaving American audiences hanging seemed to be a point of appeal/payback for a lot of Japanese fans. I was never a "Wapanese" or even close to it, but at that point I became a bit anti-Japanese and feel that they need a kick in the teeth (so to speak). Video games don't really matter in the overall scheme of things, but I guess part of why it irritates me is that it's so bloody petty and annoying.
At any rate, people misunderstand the amount of both Nationalism, and racism towards "big round eyed child races" that still exists in Japan. That and the cultural revenge aspects (which comes through in the plots of a lot of anime and other products that make it to the US, but this is another subject entirely). It can be a big selling point in Japan for a product to be exclusive, or even for it to simply not go to America.
See, we can look at things and go "that makes no sense, that product could make a lot of money here" but the truth is that the desician isn't entirely rational in many cases. Capitolist Japanese sentiments being balanced by their nationalism and cultural superiority, making a decent profit and "empowering" the nation being perfectly valid, as opposed to the American capitolistic point of view of wringing every possible cent out of something. The idea is fairly alien to the US, where to a lot of our citizens the very concept of nationalism is Anethema, and are pretty much the only nation that spends it's education dollars knocking outselves rather than promoting any kind of national pride, so we tend not to notice or understand how things like this can happen.
Some of the bigger series like Super Robot Taisen and such have taken so long to get to the US in any form for example because there is a lot of pressure to keep them Japanese only. You hear a lot of stuff about liscencing problems and the like, but the funny thing about that is that a lot of the guys holding liscences would stand to make more money just by having their product/Intellectual Properties seen in the US and then being able to try and cash in by bringing the anime and such over if the game got people interested. Things have gone that way before .
You hear a lot of dipolmatic stuff, but then once in a while someone translates a fan magazine or something and puts it online and you get some VERY differant perspectives on things.
Agree with me or not, I think someone needs to adjust Japan's attitude.
>>>----Therumancer--->
But increasingly your seeing pressure to keep things "Japanese Only" in order to get "payback" on the West. I've seen some translations of Japanese fan mags and such that are almost scary in how anti-American a lot of the opinions are. They have a sort of weird attitude of wanting to be us, while also hating us more than anything because they aren't us (for lack of a better way of describing it).
While years ago, the final straw here actually occured over Final Fantasy X. Not only did America intentionally not get the so-called International version/expansion, but a deliberate effort was made to keep the ending of the story, a product called "Final Fantasy X: Final Mission" which wrapped up all the loose eneds, was not released in the US. Leaving American audiences hanging seemed to be a point of appeal/payback for a lot of Japanese fans. I was never a "Wapanese" or even close to it, but at that point I became a bit anti-Japanese and feel that they need a kick in the teeth (so to speak). Video games don't really matter in the overall scheme of things, but I guess part of why it irritates me is that it's so bloody petty and annoying.
At any rate, people misunderstand the amount of both Nationalism, and racism towards "big round eyed child races" that still exists in Japan. That and the cultural revenge aspects (which comes through in the plots of a lot of anime and other products that make it to the US, but this is another subject entirely). It can be a big selling point in Japan for a product to be exclusive, or even for it to simply not go to America.
See, we can look at things and go "that makes no sense, that product could make a lot of money here" but the truth is that the desician isn't entirely rational in many cases. Capitolist Japanese sentiments being balanced by their nationalism and cultural superiority, making a decent profit and "empowering" the nation being perfectly valid, as opposed to the American capitolistic point of view of wringing every possible cent out of something. The idea is fairly alien to the US, where to a lot of our citizens the very concept of nationalism is Anethema, and are pretty much the only nation that spends it's education dollars knocking outselves rather than promoting any kind of national pride, so we tend not to notice or understand how things like this can happen.
Some of the bigger series like Super Robot Taisen and such have taken so long to get to the US in any form for example because there is a lot of pressure to keep them Japanese only. You hear a lot of stuff about liscencing problems and the like, but the funny thing about that is that a lot of the guys holding liscences would stand to make more money just by having their product/Intellectual Properties seen in the US and then being able to try and cash in by bringing the anime and such over if the game got people interested. Things have gone that way before .
You hear a lot of dipolmatic stuff, but then once in a while someone translates a fan magazine or something and puts it online and you get some VERY differant perspectives on things.
Agree with me or not, I think someone needs to adjust Japan's attitude.
>>>----Therumancer--->
That's just a matter of opinion. Personally, I dislike typical japanese games, particularly JRPGs, and MOST particularly Final Fantasy, which I find to be linear, noncreative and extremely badly written, and VERY MUCH MOST particularly Resident Evil, which I find to be linear, noncreative and extremely badly written. However, there are some gems like Shadow of the Colossus, Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, and that's it.Maraveno said:
However, in the West you get titles made out of amazing like Half-Life 2, Civilization IV, The Longest Journey, Monkey Island, The Orange Box, System Shock 2, Bioshock.
I have a friend currently living in Japan for 6 months who told me there is not a single damn copy of either The Longest Journey nor Dreamfall. If I were Japanese, I'd be resenting the other countries.
Please don't be so narrow about things. Just because Japan is a leader in Anime doesn't mean that makes it be-all end-all for television or other entertainment. The best shows on US Television are not animated, no. Instead of anime the US market is more obsessed with slick, high budget action-dramas than slick, high budget anime. As far as listing awesome shows that are animated in the US:Caliostro said:
Avatar the Last Airbender
Batman / The Adventures of Batman and Robin (The Tim Drake cartoon with Mark Hamill as Joker)
Justice League (Again, the Tim Drake version)
The Simpsons
South Park
Family Guy
American Dad
King of The Hill (Absolutely brilliant. It's the cleanest comedy series ever written, and still hilarious)
Ren and Stimpy
That just names a few.
And just in case the UKers think I left them out, I don't want to overflow this post, but I think it's safe to say that if there was ever a way to find a fuckload of live action comedy shows, it would be by turning on a TV in Britain.
Now in regards to saying Japan gets all the best games, I'm going to have to say that the complaints go to how our country organizes its economy. Not just licensing, but cooperative companies (Such as Nintendo of America) saying that they don't want to localize some Japanese games. For almost every Japanese company there's an American counterpart that works on bringing the games that they feel will earn a profit stateside, and if they don't want to bring your favorite crossover here due to licensing or what have you, then it's their choice.
So ironically you should resent America for its businesses operating how they do.