Poll: Who is in the right here?

[Jitters Caffeine]

I believe EA is in the right so long as they offer the player a refund for the game.
i.e. they have the right to not let him buy the game, but they don't have the right to sell him the game and then refuse him to play.

They don't need to offer a refund since they aren't taking away his ability to play the game. He just can't play online. There IS a single player, which he can play to his heart's content.

Will there Is single player thats not the main meat of the game Battle field was made as a MP game just like COD. Also to add they have the only way to play coop is for you to play online so its struck down INTO a single player game takeing out Online capastey.

Well you're going into the realm of speculation. You're ASSUMING that the game was intended to be online, which it very well may have been. But the simple fact is you don't know what the game was INTENDED to be, and that he still owns a copy of the game, he still has access to the single player features the game offers. Just not the multiplayer.

 

[Kopikatsu]

He paid for the games. Being an asshole shouldn't exempt him from playing.
Way to abuse your powers EA.

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Don't see why not. Punishing assholes for being assholes might make them less of an asshole.

Everyone wins!

 

[OriginalLadders]

I just can't see the logic of banning someone from online multiplayer of a game for comments made on a forum. It just seems fantastically draconian. Ban him from the forum by all means, but if he hasn't caused any problems in the game, then there's really no reason to ban him from it.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

I just can't see the logic of banning someone from online multiplayer of a game for comments made on a forum. It just seems fantastically draconian. Ban him from the forum by all means, but if he hasn't caused any problems in the game, then there's really no reason to ban him from it.

Well they DID ban him from the forums, they just did it by banning his account which he had connected to his gamer tag

 

[TheGreatAndPowerfulZOG]

It has nothing to do with defending corporations. It's 'Don't be a asshole and life is much easier for you.'

Edit: Clarification. It's defending other consumers from the one asshole consumer.

They aren't "protecting" anyone. Banning him from the forums is perfectltoy reasonable, banning him from playing games that he payed for and did not sign a contract or ToU form for and did not cause any trouble in is just an incredibly disproportionate action that will probably alienate customers and potential customers.

 

[OriginalLadders]

Well they DID ban him from the forums, they just did it by banning his account which he had connected to his gamer tag

I never said they didn't ban him from the forums, just that also banning him from the game is massively unfair. And if it is just some automatic system to ban someone from everything you have their information for and any degree of control over, that's still excessive.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Well they DID ban him from the forums, they just did it by banning his account which he had connected to his gamer tag

I never said they didn't ban him from the forums, just that also banning him from the game is massively unfair. And if it is just some automatic system to ban someone from everything you have their information for and any degree of control over, that's still excessive.

It's still his fault for breaking the ToS agreeing he agreed to knowing full well he could be banned from the forums, and subsiquently lose his EA account

 

[Kopikatsu]

It has nothing to do with defending corporations. It's 'Don't be a asshole and life is much easier for you.'

Edit: Clarification. It's defending other consumers from the one asshole consumer.

They aren't "protecting" anyone. Banning him from the forums is perfectltoy reasonable, banning him from playing games that he payed for and did not sign a contract or ToU form for and did not cause any trouble in is just an incredibly disproportionate action that will probably alienate customers and potential customers.

I have a problem with this line of reasoning. He paid for it, big fuckin' deal. That doesn't mean he gets a free ride.

It baffles me how people can say 'I/They paid for it, so they can do whatever they want.' then turn around and ***** about how the wealthy can do whatever they want. They're paying for shit, too.

You can't have it both ways. For video games, especially on the PC, you're buying the privilege to use something, not the actual game. He was an asshole, so he was punished for it.

Life lesson: Don't be an asshole.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

It's funny how people are actually defending trolls.

EDIT: Imagine you buy a season pass for an amusement park for your family of 4. One ticket each is $60 (the price of a game). A season pass for everyone is, lets say, $300 (super cheap). If the jackass wants to show up and starts yelling some BS like "Israeli jets r gunna cum hit your home for real, cuz I don't liek how ur slushies look!" he, and his family, can and should be banned from the premisses. No refund, no use of his $300, not illegal, not immoral.

Same fucking thing.

Add the fact that this idiot used the profile linked to his games, just makes this funny.

Now, what lesson did we learn here?

DON'T BE A TROLL.

No heres the same goddam fucking thing. Imagine i own a ferrari. I then call the ferrari help hotline and troll. Out of line sure. The next day my ferrari is towed by the company. Or my radio is removed. Or the spoiler is snapped off. THATS the same thing. Prices are different for sure but the same idea exactly. Its immoral to go overkill and take away everything for abusing one only tangentally related aspect of a service.

This is out of line to the extreme.

 

[RicoADF]

When you pay for a service, your still bound by the rules of the service. If you pay to get into an amusment park, are a total PRICK in the park, they can kick you out, and don't owe you a refund. That's perfectly fair and reasonable.

Now granted, this guy was a prick on the forums and was kicked out of the game... I'm not sure i'm cosure with that. It'd be like being kicked out of one park, then being banned from the local ceniplex. Just because the parent company is the same.... I'm not sure that's "right" but i'm pretty sure it's prolly legal...

The amusement park analogy is incomplete, and thus misleading. The management of an amusement park can throw out a prick without a refund on his ticket, but they cannot take away the things he legally paid for while he was in the amusement park. Any food or miscellaneous purchases made in the park are still his and he has the full right to use them.

You don't have to pay to join a forum. EA should be only able to ban entry into the forums or revoke his multiplayer privileges (but that is debatable). They shouldn't be able to stop him from playing the game he paid for, and if the EULA or ToS say otherwise, then they need to be challenged in the court.

That was may line of thinking, you still paid for a game and they don't have the right to take the ability to play away from him. He would win if challenged in court. EULA is not binding over local laws, and not every country allows such action. It depends where he lives as to the chances of getting it overruled.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

It's funny how people are actually defending trolls.

EDIT: Imagine you buy a season pass for an amusement park for your family of 4. One ticket each is $60 (the price of a game). A season pass for everyone is, lets say, $300 (super cheap). If the jackass wants to show up and starts yelling some BS like "Israeli jets r gunna cum hit your home for real, cuz I don't liek how ur slushies look!" he, and his family, can and should be banned from the premisses. No refund, no use of his $300, not illegal, not immoral.

Same fucking thing.

Add the fact that this idiot used the profile linked to his games, just makes this funny.

Now, what lesson did we learn here?

DON'T BE A TROLL.

No heres the same goddam fucking thing. Imagine i own a ferrari. I then call the ferrari help hotline and troll. Out of line sure. The next day my ferrari is towed by the company. Or my radio is removed. Or the spoiler is snapped off. THATS the same thing. Prices are different for sure but the same idea exactly. Its immoral to go overkill and take away everything for abusing one only tangentally related aspect of a service.

This is out of line to the extreme.

Well you're assuming you OWN the right to play online and use the servers EA provides when you purchase a game. Most people believe, like Ea and other companies do, that you buy the RIGHT to play on those servers and if you break their ToS then they have the RIGHT to take away your RIGHT. So in that aspect, your metaphor doesn't fit.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

It's funny how people are actually defending trolls.

EDIT: Imagine you buy a season pass for an amusement park for your family of 4. One ticket each is $60 (the price of a game). A season pass for everyone is, lets say, $300 (super cheap). If the jackass wants to show up and starts yelling some BS like "Israeli jets r gunna cum hit your home for real, cuz I don't liek how ur slushies look!" he, and his family, can and should be banned from the premisses. No refund, no use of his $300, not illegal, not immoral.

Same fucking thing.

Add the fact that this idiot used the profile linked to his games, just makes this funny.

Now, what lesson did we learn here?

DON'T BE A TROLL.

No heres the same goddam fucking thing. Imagine i own a ferrari. I then call the ferrari help hotline and troll. Out of line sure. The next day my ferrari is towed by the company. Or my radio is removed. Or the spoiler is snapped off. THATS the same thing. Prices are different for sure but the same idea exactly. Its immoral to go overkill and take away everything for abusing one only tangentally related aspect of a service.

This is out of line to the extreme.

They didn't take his game away. They took his ability to use their online multiplayer service. He still has his 360 game disc.

I still have my ferrari. Just no radio or spoiler. Maybe the only reason i got it in the first place? Maybe he brought it 100% for multiplayer. That means that he now has no further use for the product and thus it has been rendered worthless. Equally as bad in my opinion.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

It's funny how people are actually defending trolls.

EDIT: Imagine you buy a season pass for an amusement park for your family of 4. One ticket each is $60 (the price of a game). A season pass for everyone is, lets say, $300 (super cheap). If the jackass wants to show up and starts yelling some BS like "Israeli jets r gunna cum hit your home for real, cuz I don't liek how ur slushies look!" he, and his family, can and should be banned from the premisses. No refund, no use of his $300, not illegal, not immoral.

Same fucking thing.

Add the fact that this idiot used the profile linked to his games, just makes this funny.

Now, what lesson did we learn here?

DON'T BE A TROLL.

No heres the same goddam fucking thing. Imagine i own a ferrari. I then call the ferrari help hotline and troll. Out of line sure. The next day my ferrari is towed by the company. Or my radio is removed. Or the spoiler is snapped off. THATS the same thing. Prices are different for sure but the same idea exactly. Its immoral to go overkill and take away everything for abusing one only tangentally related aspect of a service.

This is out of line to the extreme.

They didn't take his game away. They took his ability to use their online multiplayer service. He still has his 360 game disc.

I still have my ferrari. Just no radio or spoiler. Maybe the only reason i got it in the first place? Maybe he brought it 100% for multiplayer. That means that he now has no further use for the product and thus it has been rendered worthless. Equally as bad in my opinion.

They didn't take his disc and erase anything. His one, single profile is banned. It's his own fault. Noone showed up at his home and took anything! He can still play single player. Maybe when he grows up and becomes a decent human being, he will make himself a new profile, and not troll.

The point is, it's SUPPOSED to be a harsh penalty! How else will the trolls of today's youth learn?

Regardless of whether a physical object was taken or not look at it this way.

If a main feature is forcable and permenantly removed from something you bought for whatever reason, dont you believe you are entitled to some compensation in the matter? And yes the dudes a troll, ban his ass from the forums forever, but for all we know in games he was a standup player. We got angry when we could no longer run linux on our PS3's and this is the same. A key feature, advertised, a major incentive for the game is now gone. Forever. And no money has been returned. Doesnt that strike you as wrong? To remove such a feature. Lets imagine from a remote location the turbo on my ferrari was deactivated. As was the radio. There.

He also didnt appear to be trolling, being a douche yeah, but purposefull malicious intent for no reason? No. Seemed to be a heated debate taking place. If we jugde who are "decent human beings" from single internet comments then fuck me are half of this community going to hell.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

He paid for the games. Being an asshole shouldn't exempt him from playing.
Way to abuse your powers EA.

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Don't see why not. Punishing assholes for being assholes might make them less of an asshole.

Everyone wins!

I don't think so.
He paid for the game. This practice is like fining someone for being an asshole.

Say you bought a computer from an electronics store.
You go there and start being an asshole to the manager.
Would the manager then be justified in taking your computer away?
No. It wouldn't make sense because it is completely non-sequitur.
Someone being an asshole should not result in a loss of property.

I understand that EA hosts the servers, but he paid for that with his money.
He paid for the game and the servers. Being an asshole changes nothing.
They still have his money and as such should be giving him the privileges he paid for.

He didn't purchase the servers. He bought the RIGHT to use them. A right EA stated they have the RIGHT to take away without notification when he signed up for their forums if he broke the ToU

 

[Vrach]

It's kinda like asking whether a guy jaywalking deserved to be shot by the cop.

He deserved a punishment, but the one they handed out was worthy of being in a dictionary under the definition of "overkill".

I'd say I'm surprised, but this is the EA we're talking about. I love their games, but goddamn it if their non-developer-related-employees aren't the most utterly incompetent bunch of idiots on god's green Earth. Honestly, you'd think they dragged these people off the streets and did their best to hire whoever's the most incompetent.