You know what I have to say to that? Abe, take it away.Dr Snakeman said:
For making me feel awesome. Thanks, man. :]
Poll: Who would you rather let die, your pet or me?
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For making me feel awesome. Thanks, man. :]
I am someone who believes in saving humans first. Let's assume there's another person who believes in saving animals first. Which of us would you rather be your firefighter when your house is burning down?ThatDaveDude1 said:
My cat lives with me and depends on me for food, water, shelter, and medical care. She sleeps next to me (or on me) every night. I've raised her from a kitten.
You...are a Brawndo avatar and some words on the Internet.
You'd be getting fitted for a halo and harp, is basically what I'm saying.
You...are a Brawndo avatar and some words on the Internet.
You'd be getting fitted for a halo and harp, is basically what I'm saying.
No offense to the OP but there are other peoples' pets I would rather save then the average person.
No problem. Everyone deserves to feel a little bit awesome every now and again.TheDrunkNinja said:You know what I have to say to that? Abe, take it away.Dr Snakeman said:
For making me feel awesome. Thanks, man. :]
I'll give that it is a bit of a jump, but I feel that it's an important angle to look at it from. You may not be that person's friend, but he's a friend to just as many people as a friend of yours (and most likely to more people than the dog).crusha_aa said:
My pet. In a heartbeat.
It's quite simple, really: it has nothing to do with a lack of empathy or selfishness (nice strawmen by the way). It has to do with pragmatism.
That pet is non-sentient, literally a creature of instinct. It can only be what it is; nothing more, nothing less. It is neither guilty nor innocent; it will act in accordance to instinct at all times.
You are a human being I do not know. That means I have absolutely no idea what kind of person you are; what you've done or what you could potentially do. I do, however, have history and society as precedents, and they tell me this: most human beings don't deserve being saved over an animal I happen to hold dear. Why? Look at a damning list of humanity's flaws:
- Acupuncture, chiropractic, and other "alternative medicines" that lack backing empirical evidence are touted as legitimate, which is moronic at best (i.e., it does nothing) and downright harmful at worst (i.e., people who develop arthritis from chiropractic, cancer patients who abandon regular treatment in favor the "alternative"... and then die).
- Opinions and facts are not properly distinguished by most people, who insist that everything is subjective, nothing can be right or wrong, and use that to make entirely non-subjective claims that crumble under thoughtful scrutiny (e.g., "homosexuality is wrong," "Smash Bros. Brawl has depth," "cops need to leave speeders alone and focus on real crimes," etc.). Speaking of which...
- Thoughtful scrutiny, aka critical thinking/skepticism, is a woefully under-practiced, under-utilized skill that a) would put such aforementioned chimera in their place (i.e., filed under BS) and b) actually comes under attack by fundamentalists who can't stand that their views -- which they couldn't prove valid if their lives depended on it -- don't sync with reason.
- The religious. Not religion itself nor secular practitioners who view religion as a personal thing that shouldn't affect law, but those who think unchanging, inflexible dogma is any sort of ideal way to view the world or live one's life.
As a human being I do not know, there's a pretty strong chance you fall under at least one of the above. And while you might not, when put in a situation where it's either you or a pet, that pet gets saved. Unquestionably. Without regret. Without remorse.
If I DID know you, that would likely change; I'll always save someone I know and at least marginally respect over an animal.
It's quite simple, really: it has nothing to do with a lack of empathy or selfishness (nice strawmen by the way). It has to do with pragmatism.
That pet is non-sentient, literally a creature of instinct. It can only be what it is; nothing more, nothing less. It is neither guilty nor innocent; it will act in accordance to instinct at all times.
You are a human being I do not know. That means I have absolutely no idea what kind of person you are; what you've done or what you could potentially do. I do, however, have history and society as precedents, and they tell me this: most human beings don't deserve being saved over an animal I happen to hold dear. Why? Look at a damning list of humanity's flaws:
- Acupuncture, chiropractic, and other "alternative medicines" that lack backing empirical evidence are touted as legitimate, which is moronic at best (i.e., it does nothing) and downright harmful at worst (i.e., people who develop arthritis from chiropractic, cancer patients who abandon regular treatment in favor the "alternative"... and then die).
- Opinions and facts are not properly distinguished by most people, who insist that everything is subjective, nothing can be right or wrong, and use that to make entirely non-subjective claims that crumble under thoughtful scrutiny (e.g., "homosexuality is wrong," "Smash Bros. Brawl has depth," "cops need to leave speeders alone and focus on real crimes," etc.). Speaking of which...
- Thoughtful scrutiny, aka critical thinking/skepticism, is a woefully under-practiced, under-utilized skill that a) would put such aforementioned chimera in their place (i.e., filed under BS) and b) actually comes under attack by fundamentalists who can't stand that their views -- which they couldn't prove valid if their lives depended on it -- don't sync with reason.
- The religious. Not religion itself nor secular practitioners who view religion as a personal thing that shouldn't affect law, but those who think unchanging, inflexible dogma is any sort of ideal way to view the world or live one's life.
As a human being I do not know, there's a pretty strong chance you fall under at least one of the above. And while you might not, when put in a situation where it's either you or a pet, that pet gets saved. Unquestionably. Without regret. Without remorse.
If I DID know you, that would likely change; I'll always save someone I know and at least marginally respect over an animal.
The question wasn't "Human or Animal?" it was "Your Pet or Complete Stranger?"Lord_Beric said:
My pet, who is someone that I love and am emotionally attached to, will take precedence over a stranger every single time.
If I didn't know either the person or the animal I would more than likely choose human, purely out of instinct. My argument is not that animals are better than humans, but that they are not inherently worse simply for not being humans.
EDIT: If I were a fireman I would unquestionably choose the human, since the human pays the taxes that provided the service and the animal didn't. My responsibility would be to him first and foremost.
If you have my pet then you've obviously either kidnapped my dog or are breaking into my house, puppy wins.
Timber lives and you die. Sorry about that but my dog means more to me than just about anything save for my family. If it was between them and Timber, I'd have to get another dog but even he would rather I do that (he's a herding dog, so that is part of his breeding). A random person I have no relationship with can live or die, it doesn't matter to me.
My condolences to your family.
My condolences to your family.
I don't have a pet but I do have a Cassula Ovata (jade/money tree plant)
He's called Lenny (also Carl because I realized there are actually two plants in the pot)
~OT~
For the sakes of this topic Id pick my plant over you! Just because I think its a bit rude to call people you don't know selfish! Especially when wanting them to make a choice between saving a total stranger and in this case possibly an animal which could have been part of their family for years from certain DOOOM! In my case I'm picking a plant over you!
Sorry
Manners go a long way!
He's called Lenny (also Carl because I realized there are actually two plants in the pot)
~OT~
For the sakes of this topic Id pick my plant over you! Just because I think its a bit rude to call people you don't know selfish! Especially when wanting them to make a choice between saving a total stranger and in this case possibly an animal which could have been part of their family for years from certain DOOOM! In my case I'm picking a plant over you!
Sorry
Manners go a long way!
I'd say sorry or something, but that would be a lie. I'd let you die without a second thought. No offense or anything, I'm sure you're a perfectly find gentleman/lady. I just don't know you one bit, and I really, really love my dog.
So, what you're trying to say is that personal attachment trumps human rights? Do you not find it at all disturbing that the majority of people around here would rather save their favorite cat than you? I certainly do.ThatDaveDude1 said:
You.
There's 7 billion of us, I'm sure I can spare 1 instead of a cat or dog that brings me joy.
There's 7 billion of us, I'm sure I can spare 1 instead of a cat or dog that brings me joy.