Poll: Why choose being vegan over vegetarian?
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I'm a confirmed carnivore that cares more about animals than people. Hmmm.Inverse Skies said:
On topic: Vegan is NOT healthier, you lose too many nutrients. However there is a really good argument for it from Tad Williams (indirectly).
All living things are biological machines. Puppets of nature if you will. Some living things clearly have a spiritual aspect, even if spiritual aspect is only pattern of existence for creatures with enough awareness. Citizens of nature if you will. Nothing wrong with eating a puppet (LEAVE THE MUPPETS ALONE, THIS IS NOT AN INVITE TO CHOMP ON PIGGY OR ANIMAL.)
Unless you don't mind being eaten, there is something wrong with eating a citizen, or using a citizen for your own purposes as if they were a puppet. And since no one can tell precisely where the dividing line is between puppets and citizens.....guess how many Vegans want to get served up for their friends? So, it really kinda makes sense to me. So much so that I converted to a less meat/animal product diet for my wife. And I love meat. Confirmed Carnivore and all that.
I also realized: I like muppets better than people. I believe in muppet spirits and that they should be cared for. Maybe more than people. Or at least some people. Hmmm. This from a bloody pirate. Oh well, bring on the freshly butchered carrots!
I don't get why people stick up for animals. I bet anything if chickens were above humans in the food chain, I'm sure they would be more than happy to eat us, without even thinking if we cared or not. I can't remember who said it but a comedian said, "Being a cow would be great, you don't work for your food. You get all the steroids you want, and when your in your prime, Boom they take you out."
I often wonder what would happen to domesticated animals if the human race suddenly decided to stop eating meat. I mean, if we aren't rearing animals for meat anymore, then virtually no one will see fit to keep them going, breed them, feed them.
Sure some of them might survive in nature, but you can be damn sure that an entire population of humans who no longer eat meat will need all the space they can get for crop farming, so tehre wont be many places for cows etc to go...
Anyway, back on topic; vegetarianism > veganism, omnivorism (I have no idea if thats a real word) > vegetarianism.
Sure some of them might survive in nature, but you can be damn sure that an entire population of humans who no longer eat meat will need all the space they can get for crop farming, so tehre wont be many places for cows etc to go...
Anyway, back on topic; vegetarianism > veganism, omnivorism (I have no idea if thats a real word) > vegetarianism.
From a biological and evolutionary view eating both meat and vegetables is the right thing to do; morally you may not agree with that but thats a different matter.
For example:
Humans have canines and incisors
Meat contains "essential amino acids" that can only be obtained by eating meat (hence the "essential" bit)
Our appendix has shrunk over thousands of years because we dont need it as much due to getting nutrients from meats instead of vegetables
There are more reasons but at the moment my mind is blank
For example:
Humans have canines and incisors
Meat contains "essential amino acids" that can only be obtained by eating meat (hence the "essential" bit)
Our appendix has shrunk over thousands of years because we dont need it as much due to getting nutrients from meats instead of vegetables
There are more reasons but at the moment my mind is blank
I don't eat red meat or poultry, but I still eat dairy and fish, so I'm barely a vegetarian. Truth be told, I'd be miserable if I couldn't let myself enjoy cheese, egg, and tofu burger.
Damn, are those good!
Dairy's the main difference between veganism and vegetarianism. That, and vegans seem to have lost the natural human tendency of enjoying eating.
Damn, are those good!
Dairy's the main difference between veganism and vegetarianism. That, and vegans seem to have lost the natural human tendency of enjoying eating.
Fun Fact: The first animal conservationists were the Hindus. Next time someone from PETA or whatever spouts their crap at you, ask them "Are you Hindu?" If they say no, then you can feel free to tell them that they're following another religion's beliefs, and turn them mad.Inverse Skies said:
actually the body needs protein, which is supplied in large amounts by meatAndyFromMonday said:
however you can get a lot of protein by eating peanuts and peanut butter and other such stuff. my mom is a vegetarian but not due to any wacko reason, she can't digest meat properly and it makes her sick to eat it.
the fact is most vegetarians don't eat properly and then complain that meat eaters are doing the same thing. it is possible to be a vegetarian and be healthy, there are a few mma fighters who are vegetarians as proof.
Agreed. It's no coincidence that animals have nutrients that the body needs and also taste delicious. I mean, if you're a vegetarian or vegan, it's really hard to get protein and other stuff that you need to have. I mean you can, but do you want to eat a can of beans every day? Humans were meant to be omnivores.AndyFromMonday said:
Its not healthier, over the last millions of years when humans were evolving our system became in need of proteins and certain starches that can only be found in meat. Just because your skinny enough that it looks like you came out of a POW camp in south east asia does not mean your healthy.
Sure you can take supplements but supplements are only intended for short time use (like if your backpacking) or if you have a shortcoming in your system that makes it so your body can only work with. I'm not saying its going to kill you but that's not how nature intended, your body wont be able to process it as well as a natural dead animal.
Think of vegetable spread v.s butter, butter is better for you for the lone reason that we have been consuming it for so long our body has learned how to process it.
But if you want to live that way that's just fine with me, just don't stick your hands onto my food plate and get whiny when I eat my dead animals.
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ON A SECOND NOTE: when I smoke in a BAR don't walk in and whine about my smoke, its a BAR not a health club, you go there to drink not work out.
Sure you can take supplements but supplements are only intended for short time use (like if your backpacking) or if you have a shortcoming in your system that makes it so your body can only work with. I'm not saying its going to kill you but that's not how nature intended, your body wont be able to process it as well as a natural dead animal.
Think of vegetable spread v.s butter, butter is better for you for the lone reason that we have been consuming it for so long our body has learned how to process it.
But if you want to live that way that's just fine with me, just don't stick your hands onto my food plate and get whiny when I eat my dead animals.
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ON A SECOND NOTE: when I smoke in a BAR don't walk in and whine about my smoke, its a BAR not a health club, you go there to drink not work out.
Sometimes vegan isn't completely a choice. Granted I'm a far cry from vegan (I love bacon, steak, and pork chops), I cannot eat most animal by products. I'm highly allergic to eggs and anything that uses egg in it (including some prescription medicines and the flu vaccine) as well as milk or anything that uses milk proteins (most vitamin supplements, fake butter, fake cheese). I've also had weird reactions to gelatin and other animal byproducts.
As I see it, there are just some things we aren't meant to eat or manipulate. So I for one am highly grateful that there is vegan food out there, so that I can continue to enjoy a buttery like substance on my toast.
As I see it, there are just some things we aren't meant to eat or manipulate. So I for one am highly grateful that there is vegan food out there, so that I can continue to enjoy a buttery like substance on my toast.
Thats a legit reason, but unless your forced by a similar scenario the regular body system wont be able to totally sustain itself. The person will live but there going to be pail, skinny and without protein noticeably weaker than the average counterpart, especially vegans when they refuse to have ANY animal products whatsoever.cleverlymadeup said:
obviously you did't read what I said correctly. I said "I bet anything if chickens were above humans in the food chain, I'm sure they would be more than happy to eat us," and by that it means chickens were at are level and surpassed us on the food chain.
obviously you did't read what I said correctly. I said "I bet anything if chickens were above humans in the food chain, I'm sure they would be more than happy to eat us," and by that it means chickens were at are level and surpassed us on the food chain.Maze1125 said:
There's nothing wrong with eating food products from animals. Hell, the entire world's population of non-herbivorous organisms have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years. If we can kill it, we're allowed to eat it.
People who say they don't eat meat because its cruel. How many insects to you think die each year in the processing of grain and wheat and produce? For each slice of bread you are eating dozens of insects died. So I'm sorry, the notion of not eating meat to protect animal life is so hypocritical, but oh, wait, that's right, its only insects, they arn't fluffy and cute so who cares about them right?
Realize that everything in the natural world (including us) is subject to competitive pressure and everything dies to the benifit of something else. Every single living human profits off of the death of any other living thing, if not on a large scale then on an infinitly minute due to less total competative pressure.
Realize that everything in the natural world (including us) is subject to competitive pressure and everything dies to the benifit of something else. Every single living human profits off of the death of any other living thing, if not on a large scale then on an infinitly minute due to less total competative pressure.