Poll: Why do female gamers like the Zelda series so much? *now with more political correctness!*

[MasterChief892039]

I never said a lot of females like Twilight. The argument was to prove that [b[certain entertainment mediums were designed towards certain genders.[/b]

Still mixing up the word "demographic" and "subculture".

There are communities in my area where groups of people like "coder girls" or "gamer girls" meet up and participate in certain activities with each other. That alone creates their own subculture. I'm pretty sure there are other tech-savvy places out there (e.g. RTP area) that have these types of meetups as well. There are girls that even label themselves as "gamer girls", as if they are different from us male gamers. What distinction is there between a male gamer and female gamer? I have my assumptions, but I will stop here with generalizations before I anger more people.

Hanging out with friends of the same gender and taking part in an activity together doesn't automatically make you a subculture, but, if for the sake of argument, we pretend that it does, female gamers still aren't inherently a subculture because they don't necessarily hang out in that group, or even groups in general.

As for the generalizations about female gamers you're holding in, I should remind you that women in gaming culture are all individuals don't deserve to be automatically slapped with your ignorant stereotyping any more than you deserve to automatically be slapped with the stereotype of being a sweaty anti-social lardass living in his mom's basement for being a male gamer.
In this thread you've offended at least three women and a couple men, then hidden behind words like "subjectivity", "flaming" and "political correctness" to remove your responsibility for your own awful comments - but these people's negative reactions to your blathering has nothing to do with political correctness, but rather with the fact that you're a discriminatory bigot out to protect your male privilege by creating imaginary barriers between male and female gamers and putting women in a lesser category than men.

I've avoided using this term up until now because I think it's very loaded and is tossed around more often than it should be, but your absolute insistence that women are inherently separate from men in gaming culture has proven to me that this label fits you perfectly; you are sexist. And that's a very ugly thing.

Finally, you're incredibly stupid for thinking that the anecdotal evidence you've collected by hanging out with a couple "girl gamers" applies to all women and makes you an expert on them. It's also worth noting that if all the "girl gamers" you've met hang out together, they influence each other as peers and likely have similar behaviours/interests/etc, not because they're female, but because they're friends (and people tend to befriend others that have similar views and tastes). You could meet another group of female gaming friends and they could be completely different from the group you know now.

 

[RaDeuX]

There are communities in my area where groups of people like "coder girls" or "gamer girls" meet up and participate in certain activities with each other. That alone creates their own subculture. I'm pretty sure there are other tech-savvy places out there (e.g. RTP area) that have these types of meetups as well. There are girls that even label themselves as "gamer girls", as if they are different from us male gamers. What distinction is there between a male gamer and female gamer? I have my assumptions, but I will stop here with generalizations before I anger more people.

Hanging out with friends of the same gender and taking part in an activity together doesn't automatically make you a subculture, but, if for the sake of argument, we pretend that it does, female gamers still aren't inherently a subculture because they don't necessarily hang out in that group, or even groups in general.

As for the generalizations about female gamers you're holding in, I should remind you that women in gaming culture are all individuals don't deserve to be automatically slapped with your ignorant stereotyping any more than you deserve to automatically be slapped with the stereotype of being a sweaty anti-social lardass living in his mom's basement for being a male gamer.
In this thread you've offended at least three women and a couple men, then hidden behind words like "subjectivity", "flaming" and "political correctness" to remove your responsibility for your own awful comments - but these people's negative reactions to your blathering has nothing to do with political correctness, but rather with the fact that you're a discriminatory bigot out to protect your male privilege by creating imaginary barriers between male and female gamers and putting women in a lesser category than men.

I've avoided using this term up until now because I think it's very loaded and is tossed around more often than it should be, but your absolute insistence that women are inherently separate from men in gaming culture has proven to me that this label fits you perfectly; you are sexist. And that's a very ugly thing.

Finally, you're incredibly stupid for thinking that the anecdotal evidence you've collected by hanging out with a couple "girl gamers" applies to all women and makes you an expert on them.

Is it my fault that people are easily offended on the internet?

Am I sexist? Perhaps. Are you a feminazi? Perhaps. It's all perspective.

I never said that from what I've gathered was the "end-all" proof that there are different characteristics between male and female gamers. I only wanted to gather more information, and what I got from you were mostly insults.

Regardless, at the end of the day, the existence of certain subcultures are still subjective. Clearly, we disagree on the notion of the psychological segregation of the two main genders, but you don't have to throw insults in most of your responses.

Is it always your way or death in terms of an argument? Just wondering.

 

[Enderrr]

Most people who play the games enjoy the Zelda series, or Zelda-esque games for those who don't own a Nintendo console. Any true gamer should have at least played Ocarina of Time.

 

[MasterChief892039]

Is it my fault that people are easily offended on the internet?

Am I sexist? Perhaps. Are you a feminazi? Perhaps. It's all perspective.

I never said that from what I've gathered was the "end-all" proof that there are different characteristics between male and female gamers. I only wanted to gather more information, and what I got from you were mostly insults.

I'm pretty sure the word "feminazi" was coined by Rush Limbaugh or one of those similar American fear-mongering sensationalist talkshow hosts - and as such I find it pretty difficult to take that seriously. At any rate, the term "feminazi" implies some sort of man-hating female supremacist, and since I have no quarrel with men themselves, only with the notion of being deemed less valuable than men (for example, when I'm told I'm part of a subculture simply for being female in a male majority culture), I know that the term doesn't apply to me.

Regardless, at the end of the day, the existence of certain subcultures are still subjective.

Once again... subcultures are subjective, but the definition of subculture is not. Though there are all-female subcultures, being female in a male-majority culture does not automatically make you part of a subculture.

Clearly, we disagree on the notion of the psychological segregation of the two main genders,

When did we start talking about the psychology of genders? I was arguing only about your abuse of the word "subculture".

but you don't have to throw insults in most of your responses.

But of course it's alright for you to consistently insult me by undermining my validity as a part of the gaming culture, based on my gender? I've been gaming since six years old and have bought nearly every console since 1996, I'm not part of a gaming subculture, I am part of gaming culture. My genitalia has no influence on that.

Is it always your way or death in terms of an argument? Just wondering.

You tell me. You've shrugged off the majority of my arguments simply by pulling out the word "subjectivity". If I'm guilty of a "my way or death" mindset, then you're certainly standing right there along next to me.

 

[RaDeuX]

Is it my fault that people are easily offended on the internet?

Am I sexist? Perhaps. Are you a feminazi? Perhaps. It's all perspective.

I never said that from what I've gathered was the "end-all" proof that there are different characteristics between male and female gamers. I only wanted to gather more information, and what I got from you were mostly insults.

I'm pretty sure the word "feminazi" was coined by Rush Limbaugh or one of those similar American fear-mongering sensationalist talkshow hosts - and as such I find it pretty difficult to take that seriously. At any rate, the term "feminazi" implies some sort of man-hating female supremacist, and since I have no quarrel with men themselves, only with the notion of being deemed less valuable than men (for example, when I'm told I'm part of a subculture simply for being female in a male majority culture), I know that the term doesn't apply to me.

Regardless, at the end of the day, the existence of certain subcultures are still subjective.

Once again... subcultures are subjective, but the definition of subculture is not. Though there are all-female subcultures, being female in a male-majority culture does not automatically make you part of a subculture.

Clearly, we disagree on the notion of the psychological segregation of the two main genders,

When did we start talking about the psychology of genders? I was arguing only about your abuse of the word "subculture".

but you don't have to throw insults in most of your responses.

But of course it's alright for you to consistently insult me by undermining my validity as a part of the gaming culture, based on my gender? I've been gaming since six years old and have bought nearly every console since 1996, I'm not part of a gaming subculture, I am part of gaming culture. My genitalia has no influence on that.

Is it always your way or death in terms of an argument? Just wondering.

You tell me. You've shrugged off the majority of my arguments simply by pulling out the word "subjectivity". If I'm guilty of a "my way or death" mindset, then you're certainly standing right there along next to me.

In that case, I don't believe in the inferiority of women from a mental perspective (except from a physical perspective, as more testosterone results in more muscle and bone mass), so I am not a sexist.

I have seen gaming communities which revolve around the fact that the members are all females. Whether or not those existing communities are considered a subculture is subjective. It's like saying a certain race is not a subculture because they mix into a larger cultural group with little differences.

I never undermined your validity. Hell, I hardly even know you. Female gamers are part of the gaming culture, hence the term subculture. Honestly, you're taking things too personally. As far as gaming history goes, I've played games on the first mass-produced Macintosh computer.

But it's true. Have you ever tried to label certain electronica songs by their respective genres? It's damn near impossible. Point is, certain classifications are subjective. What you're trying to do is argue that a certain "genre" shouldn't be broken off as a "subgenre".

I get it. You disagree with me, and I disagree with you. That's all there is to it.

 

[kittii-chan 300]

i (personaly) HAAAAAAAAAAAAATE the zelda series. no offense to nyone or anything like that. i cant really say series because ive only played one game (phantom hourglass) and it might be because i need to know more about the story but i didnt know what the hell was going on and thought the elf was zelda and i didnt know there was a princess involved. i only really remember hating the flying blue ball. and what the hell does "neccesary clitoral mass" have to do with it hipaboo? also there are a lot of strong silent characters in gaming, ranging from MASTERCHIEF<3 to ....mario. and i doubt there are many girls who secretly love mario. and i dont like strong silent types.....much.... fine with the exception of MASTERCHIEF<3

 

[kittii-chan 300]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gamer+girl

You're new here so I can understand you thinking this is true. But why should there be a distinction between male and female gamers?

You have a higher post count than I do, so I can understand why you think I'm wrong. Because there are biological differences between the two genders, both physically and mentally. The latter has the potential to affect the types of games they want to play.

And so with that you'd accept that generally people of a certain gender all enjoy the same things, with few exceptions? Your logic is difficult to follow. As a male I wouldn't be surprised if another male didn't like, say, Call of Duty, because I realise that opinion isn't determined by genetics or gender, so why should it be accepted fact that most 'gamer girls' will enjoy a particular series?

Most guys like CoD. What's your point?

I'd have thought my point was fairly obvious, allow me to try again. Peoples opinions on games, or hell, on most forms of entertainment, has very little to do with gender. People aren't born with a series of likes and dislikes, they aquire them as they grow older, thus gender has very little to do with the way they view things. You can't just simply say that all girls will like a certain thing purely because they are female, that's stereotyping. I'm surprised you expected everyone to accept this idea without question, unless you were simply attempting to be contentious which would make you a troll.
Also your simple, one sentence reply did nothing to adress the points I made in my post, which only strengthens my suspicion that you are trolling. If you are not, you really need to come up with a stronger response to support your assertion.

Most forms of entertainment? Have you ever seen a purikura station? Those things are infested with young females. What about Twilight (the one with the glittering vampires)? Those are also infested by preteen girls.

ecxuse me for interupting your fine conversation but "infested" geez girls arent a freaking disease. to poke holes in your logic : what the **** is purikura station? and ooh i love edward hes distracting cuz of his shinyness(sarcasm)

 

[RaDeuX]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gamer+girl

You're new here so I can understand you thinking this is true. But why should there be a distinction between male and female gamers?

You have a higher post count than I do, so I can understand why you think I'm wrong. Because there are biological differences between the two genders, both physically and mentally. The latter has the potential to affect the types of games they want to play.

And so with that you'd accept that generally people of a certain gender all enjoy the same things, with few exceptions? Your logic is difficult to follow. As a male I wouldn't be surprised if another male didn't like, say, Call of Duty, because I realise that opinion isn't determined by genetics or gender, so why should it be accepted fact that most 'gamer girls' will enjoy a particular series?

Most guys like CoD. What's your point?

I'd have thought my point was fairly obvious, allow me to try again. Peoples opinions on games, or hell, on most forms of entertainment, has very little to do with gender. People aren't born with a series of likes and dislikes, they aquire them as they grow older, thus gender has very little to do with the way they view things. You can't just simply say that all girls will like a certain thing purely because they are female, that's stereotyping. I'm surprised you expected everyone to accept this idea without question, unless you were simply attempting to be contentious which would make you a troll.
Also your simple, one sentence reply did nothing to adress the points I made in my post, which only strengthens my suspicion that you are trolling. If you are not, you really need to come up with a stronger response to support your assertion.

Most forms of entertainment? Have you ever seen a purikura station? Those things are infested with young females. What about Twilight (the one with the glittering vampires)? Those are also infested by preteen girls.

ecxuse me for interupting your fine conversation but "infested" geez girls arent a freaking disease. to poke holes in your logic : what the **** is purikura station? and ooh i love edward hes distracting cuz of his shinyness(sarcasm)

As I've said before, the argument shown to me was that certain entertainment mediums aren't designed towards certain genders. I merely brought these examples up to disprove that. I never said that the vast majority of females enjoy purikura and Twilight. I said that these entertainment mediums are geared towards the female audience, and that the vast majority of its consumers are female.

Also, Google is your friend.

 

[BabySinclair]

... I don't believe in the inferiority of women from a mental perspective (except from a physical perspective, as more testosterone results in more muscle and bone mass), so I am not a sexist.

I have seen gaming communities which revolve around the fact that the members are all females. Whether or not those existing communities are considered a subculture is subjective. It's like saying a certain race is not a subculture because they mix into a larger cultural group with little differences.

I never undermined your validity. Hell, I hardly even know you. Female gamers are part of the gaming culture, hence the term subculture...

But it's true. Have you ever tried to label certain electronica songs by their respective genres? It's damn near impossible. Point is, certain classifications are subjective. What you're trying to do is argue that a certain "genre" shouldn't be broken off as a "subgenre".

@RaDeux (since I agree with just about everyone else) Are you an Anthropologist or a Sociologist? I ask this since you cite wikipedia and urban dictionary as sources, trust me on this, They are not reliable sources. While it is true that the majority of information is essentially correct it is not whole true.

"Culture" is the set of rules or norms established by a group of people to cope with their enviroment and to organize their lives. Here is the subjective part that you cling to so dearly. Each culture has its own biases and prefrences and you are only looking at female gamers through a limited viewpoint that you were raised with. You see that women cannot be a fully intergrated unit of a smaller culture and as such use the term "gamer girl" to remove them from the general body. That means that subjectivity is located solely with you, not with the rest of the world. Because someone believes something does not make it true. I'm a white male, college student, active in my JROTC unit in high school, plays paintball and laser tag, and yet I don't care for CoD, Halo, Modern Warfare, GTA, and a whole lot more of the standard perceived FPS games that all men play though I do play other FPS's.

A group of women that plays games together is not a bunch of "gamer girls" just a group of women that prefer to play games together. I would assume at this point that you believe that the Vampire culture is a subculture of the Goth community (or vice-verse) instead of recognizing it as an independant entity. Your argument is akin to saying that FPS'ers share little in common with RTS'ers or MMO players. The distinction between your "gamer girls" and the male portion of the gaming community is solely based on sex.

The actual defenition you use from urban dictionary is; "A female gamer who enjoys playing games and regularly does so. Female gamers vary widely between the extremes of 'casual' and 'hardcore' gaming" which says nothing besides that one; the gamer is female, and two; they cover the full range of standard male gamers.

In any case biological differences mean absolutely nothing in this regard anyways since your argument should really be about the spectrum of genders which to date has been blurring more in the western cultures as well as allowing women to move further in to the formerly "male" areas of the scale without reproach. This also goes against the "gamer girl" belief as the argument is based on biological sex whereas it scould be more concerned with the societal constructs of gender.

As for the testosterone part, that's just part of the anthropological differences between the sexes only found groups that decended from hunter-gatherer societies in which the men hunted. Look to the amazons, they were as big as men since they needed to become larger to perform the physical tasks of hunting, warfare, and manual labor.

In any case I've ranted long enough and will note that I do study sex and gender roles as an anthropologist in college right now so my information comes from slightly more reliable sources with PhD's

 

[kittii-chan 300]

because girls love a guy in tights and pointy ears

girls (me at least) love a guy in IMPENETRABLE INTERGALACTIC POWER ARMOUR(IIPA)
such as masterchief<3 yes im going to insist on the <3 because its part of his name.

 

[Glaive_21842]

Solid single player game that isn't bleeding machismo from its nipples...and good marketing. I bet the girls that like Zelda have a soft spot for other Nintendo franchises such as Metroid and Mario.
It seems that every other developer of AAA games is marketing specifically to males in their 20's, while Nintendo is allowing itself to be accessible to all genders and age groups without declining in quality. Honestly, I can completely understand why girls might not want to play Gears of War...hell, not even I want to play Gears of War, and I'm the demographic being targeted.

 

[RaDeuX]

... I don't believe in the inferiority of women from a mental perspective (except from a physical perspective, as more testosterone results in more muscle and bone mass), so I am not a sexist.

I have seen gaming communities which revolve around the fact that the members are all females. Whether or not those existing communities are considered a subculture is subjective. It's like saying a certain race is not a subculture because they mix into a larger cultural group with little differences.

I never undermined your validity. Hell, I hardly even know you. Female gamers are part of the gaming culture, hence the term subculture...

But it's true. Have you ever tried to label certain electronica songs by their respective genres? It's damn near impossible. Point is, certain classifications are subjective. What you're trying to do is argue that a certain "genre" shouldn't be broken off as a "subgenre".

@RaDeux (since I agree with just about everyone else) Are you an Anthropologist or a Sociologist? I ask this since you cite wikipedia and urban dictionary as sources, trust me on this, They are not reliable sources. While it is true that the majority of information is essentially correct it is not whole true.

"Culture" is the set of rules or norms established by a group of people to cope with their enviroment and to organize their lives. Here is the subjective part that you cling to so dearly. Each culture has its own biases and prefrences and you are only looking at female gamers through a limited viewpoint that you were raised with. You see that women cannot be a fully intergrated unit of a smaller culture and as such use the term "gamer girl" to remove them from the general body. That means that subjectivity is located solely with you, not with the rest of the world. Because someone believes something does not make it true. I'm a white male, college student, active in my JROTC unit in high school, plays paintball and laser tag, and yet I don't care for CoD, Halo, Modern Warfare, GTA, and a whole lot more of the standard perceived FPS games that all men play though I do play other FPS's.

A group of women that plays games together is not a bunch of "gamer girls" just a group of women that prefer to play games together. I would assume at this point that you believe that the Vampire culture is a subculture of the Goth community (or vice-verse) instead of recognizing it as an independant entity. Your argument is akin to saying that FPS'ers share little in common with RTS'ers or MMO players. The distinction between your "gamer girls" and the male portion of the gaming community is solely based on sex.

The actual defenition you use from urban dictionary is; "A female gamer who enjoys playing games and regularly does so. Female gamers vary widely between the extremes of 'casual' and 'hardcore' gaming" which says nothing besides that one; the gamer is female, and two; they cover the full range of standard male gamers.

In any case biological differences mean absolutely nothing in this regard anyways since your argument should really be about the spectrum of genders which to date has been blurring more in the western cultures as well as allowing women to move further in to the formerly "male" areas of the scale without reproach. This also goes against the "gamer girl" belief as the argument is based on biological sex whereas it scould be more concerned with the societal constructs of gender.

As for the testosterone part, that's just part of the anthropological differences between the sexes only found groups that decended from hunter-gatherer societies in which the men hunted. Look to the amazons, they were as big as men since they needed to become larger to perform the physical tasks of hunting, warfare, and manual labor.

In any case I've ranted long enough and will note that I do study sex and gender roles as an anthropologist in college right now so my information comes from slightly more reliable sources with PhD's

I just threw out UD as there is no academic research behind female gamers and their distinct differences. It's like asking me to find valid sources to confirm the existence of emos.

I've talked to people within the gaming industry, and although there are many similar traits between male and female gamers, there are some traits that separate them. I won't discuss these in great detail, as it will only result in more flame posts and insults that get absolutely nowhere.

Also, there are communities of female gamers and developers that segregate themselves from the gaming culture. There was a recent discussion event about the awareness of females in the video game industry somewhere in my area (Bay Area). If there are female gamers and developers that recognize themselves as a different entity from the vast majority of the gaming industry, why am I being antagonized for having their same opinions and ideas?

Modern western culture does indeed blur many stereotypes and generalizations, but they still exist. What I was going towards with the testosterone is that male gamers tend to be more competitive. Obviously, there are competitive female gamers as well, but the tendency is there.

 

[LostTimeLady]

I have to say from one point of view, I like LoZ cos they're great games, let's not beat around the bush with great story lines.

On the other hand, they're very good at having a hero that's heroic but not hyper masculine (in OoT he's a kid for half the game), having excellent stories, wonderful visuals, great music, it's fun... hmmm, I was about to say that they're appealing features that girls would pick up on in a game but really they're not all that gender spcific.

I guess Zelda for females though is a good way into adventure/RPG games by being fairly uncomplicated and story driven.
It's certainly more accessable for new gamers, regardless of their gender in my opinion.

 

[feeback06]

let me think... we have a pretty boy elf guy as the protagonist, we have puzzle elements that tweak the brain and most girls I've met love that stuff, and unlike Mario the main female character isn't a worthless blonde.

 

[Chemical Alia]

I never gave a crap about Zelda games, to be honest. Neither am I familiar with this stereotype among any female gamers I know. The setting/gameplay was never appealing to me, as with cutesy fantasy shit in general. I've tried playing the games later on, but just can't get into them.

I'm more of a Mario person.

 

[GreyKnight3445]

because girls love a guy in tights and pointy ears

girls (me at least) love a guy in IMPENETRABLE INTERGALACTIC POWER ARMOUR(IIPA)
such as masterchief<3 yes im going to insist on the <3 because its part of his name.

my ga i mean fangirl radar is pinging like i just found the entire kriegsmarine submarine fleet

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

The vast majority of female gamers that I've talked to love the Zelda franchise. I do too, but I don't obsess over Zelda like some of them do. One of them actually has a Triforce tattoo on her forearm. I'm not saying every female gamer likes LoZ. I'm just saying that it seems to be the case from what I've asked/heard/seen from other people IRL, and I just wanted to know what the Escapist community's opinion is.

I'm a female gamer. Never liked Zelda. I played one on the NES, didn't like it. I played again many years later, still didn't like it.

One of the many reasons I don't own a Wii is because I don't like Zelda.

 

[Savagezion]

Stuff

Didn't think this argument would last this long the last time I saw the thread. I think the term you are meaning to use is demographic. Or more specifically, the female demographic.

Still mixing up the word "demographic" and "subculture".

Gotta love Edit>Find.

Hanging out with friends of the same gender and taking part in an activity together doesn't automatically make you a subculture

This is correct. Different demographics have a lot in common which is why many marketing and political campaigns are targeted at demographics. These girls hanging out doesn't make them a subculture because their individual interest in titles will vary. If there are 5 girls in this group 3 may like Zelda and talk to one another about it, and another (or someof those) 3 may like Silent Hill, and yet another random 3 may be think Mass Effect is the best game ever. Even if all 5 like Zelda or Silent Hill or pick a game, it doesn't make women who like that game a subculture. Rather the subculture would be the active community of all races, genders, hair colors, etc. that enjoy that particular series/game.

It's also worth noting that if all the "girl gamers" you've met hang out together, they influence each other as peers and likely have similar behaviours/interests/etc, not because they're female, but because they're friends (and people tend to befriend others that have similar views and tastes). You could meet another group of female gaming friends and they could be completely different from the group you know now.

Nothing to add. That's just a good point.

 

[MasterChief892039]

Spoiler: click for usual wall of text

I never undermined your validity. Hell, I hardly even know you. Female gamers are part of the gaming culture, hence the term subculture.

Yes, you did undermine my validity, by trying to make a distinction between me and the main gaming culture based on something about me that has absolutely no effect on my being a gamer. If being female in some way affected my taste in games or overall skill or really anything about me relevant to this topic, I might be inclined to agree with you, but it does not, it has no bearing on my being part of gaming and as such there's no need to define me as an offshoot from the main culture because there is no differentiation between the values of that culture and myself.

Honestly, you're taking things too personally.

Of course I'm taking it personally. The things you're saying directly apply to me as I fall into the category of people you're needlessly trying to define as "other".

But it's true. Have you ever tried to label certain electronica songs by their respective genres? It's damn near impossible. Point is, certain classifications are subjective. What you're trying to do is argue that a certain "genre" shouldn't be broken off as a "subgenre".

Like I said before on the subject of the words "subculture" and "subgenre";
Calling female gamers a subculture of gaming is like calling female musicians a subgenre of music. It's nonsensical because that's just not how you use the words.

This also goes against the "gamer girl" belief as the argument is based on biological sex whereas it scould be more concerned with the societal constructs of gender.

Ah, I could just give you a big ol' hug. It's nice to have someone in this conversation that has actually has some legitimate education on the subject of gender/sex.

Most forms of entertainment? Have you ever seen a purikura station? Those things are infested with young females. What about Twilight (the one with the glittering vampires)? Those are also infested by preteen girls.

ecxuse me for interupting your fine conversation but "infested" geez girls arent a freaking disease.

...I found that rather disturbing as well, to be honest.

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Nothing to add. That's just a good point.

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[RaDeuX]

Okay, I think I'm starting to understand why a lot of you guys are extremely frustrated. It probably has something to do with evolving into a more homogenized gaming community. It also probably has to do with female gamers being mistreated during online play or getting hit on all the time by basement dwellers. Ultimately, female gamers don't enjoy being discriminated. These are fair statements, and I can understand why a lot of you support the idea that female gamers are no different from male gamers.

With that said, I decided to look for female gamer communities via Google, and here are some of my findings.
http://female-gamer.com/blog/
http://www.femalegamersalliance.net/
http://www.girlgamer.com/
http://www.womengamers.com/

The one I'd like to point out is the "Female Gamers Alliance". Here's what it said on their MySpace profile description:

Not enough female gamers in your area? This is the place to connect with them. The Female Gamers Alliance Network, is a place where you can connect with gamer girls who like the same games and video game systems as you!!
I believe gamer girls are tougher, stronger, and better than guys! It is time to show off our skills and show the video game industry what female gamer are all about!

So not only does the Female Gamers Alliance believe that they are different from male gamers, but they believe they are superior to them as well. Sure, whatever floats their boat.

To be fair, this is what it says on on the Women Gamers front page:

In 11 years, we have watched this industry grow immensely. The atmosphere for the next generation is notably very different today than it was back then. It?s no longer a matter of whether women play, but what they are playing that is now in question. Gamer shame is dwindling, and the world is changing. We too must change with it. This is not a good-bye letter. We are not leaving the gaming industry, but rather are adapting into more of a development role.

So there are female gamers that realize that the gamer community shouldn't be segregated. I can understand that.

So where am I going with this? Despite the fact that a good portion of the gaming community disagrees on the fact that female gamers are a separate part of the gaming culture (at least on this forum), there are communities out there that believe otherwise. I'm not saying that they're right or wrong. What I'm doing is presenting to you guys that these groups of female gamers exist. A group of female gamers are united by their similar beliefs and opinions of how they believe they are different from other gamers.

It was my mistake for combining all female gamers into the category of which they think they are different from male gamers, and I apologize for being offensive. But, in all honesty, I wish some of you acted more mature about this discussion without flaming me and labeling me as an idiot/troll/et cetera (I'm a bit surprised that none of you got put on probation. The moderators here are *or possibly WERE* notorious for putting users on probation for the slightest offenses). I probably would have been more reluctant to listen to those that are more... passionate about the subject if it weren't for the continuous messages of hate. Also, I still acknowledge the fact that the subculture of female gamers that believe they are different from other gamers exists. There is no denying that fact.