Poll: Why do people think fish isn't a meat?
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The "Ducks are nearly fish" is a quote from a Bill Bailey stand up routine.Zeeky_Santos said:nuba km said:
The reason why the pope ruled that fish could be consumed on Friday, when they were supposed to eat vegetarian meals, was that the best pseudo science they had at the time believed fish were plants and reproduced by spores and seeds like ever green trees.
The fisherman being hurt is an often refereed to myth, smoked and salted fish to preserve it for long periods of time was common since roman times. The population of Europe could not be sustained on the land alone and fish was a very necessary part of the coastal populations diets.
The fisherman being hurt is an often refereed to myth, smoked and salted fish to preserve it for long periods of time was common since roman times. The population of Europe could not be sustained on the land alone and fish was a very necessary part of the coastal populations diets.
well the pope did not throw it in so we could eat fish, it was a Jewish tradition and by default a catholic tradition. fish were a staple to a lot of pepole and fasting is to give up something that you dont need, or something that is bad for you, and a food that is what you eat for half of your meals is something you cant live with out. thats why it was not considered a meat, poor pepole in many areas even today use it as a necessary food... so its not considered a meat. the church is not a bunch of old pepole making up dogma cause they feel like it, they clarify what was already the truth so that we can find the Truth.SenseOfTumour said:
also giving up things like pizza and candy for lent is kinda lame you don't get anything from it so why bother? you are supposed to give up something as an act of faith and prayer something you love or even a vice...
I do not mean to bash if it came out like that, i am only trying to clarify and explain because i care
no you do not, you know some picky omnivores who claim to be vegetarians. god, it pisses me off when people do that! a vegetarian is someone who does NOT eat animals, someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian!nuba km said:
the day i figure out the answer to your question is the day i understand whats so great about football!
I care because I put a lot of effort into maintaining my vegetarian lifestyle, these fucking posers don't want to dedicate themselves to the diet yet try and pretend that they're a vegetarian when they're obviously not. They're not taking the same stand because fish still feel pain and so killing them is the same as killing another animal. And if they're doing it for health reasons then they shouldn't prance around calling themselves a vegetarian. I'm a vegetarian for many reasons, one being that people don't NEED to eat meat in contemporary society when there's many alternatives, another being that killing something for food isn't the right thing to do meaning that vegetarians have the moral high ground. Of couse we are outclassed by vegans but I don't want health problems so I'm not willing to go that far.Freeze_L said:why do you care? if they are doing it because they feel the animals are being abused and don't think fish are, than they are still taking the same stand that you are, and if they are doing it for health reasons then why give a flying shit?
also, i don't think that animals are abused and i like meat, so why are you a vegetarian? just a question out of curiosity... is it because you think they are being abused, is it because you don't like meat, is it because you felt like it, it is religious? just wondering...
Fishing is one of the most unsustainable food industries, if you're vegetarian that's the last thing you should eat. This always pisses me off about vegetarians.
It probably is due to the old fashioned catholic view of them not being meat that has been carried through the ages and spread to the wider culture. But I also bet its because sheep and deer and pigs can be cute and fish aren't.
It probably is due to the old fashioned catholic view of them not being meat that has been carried through the ages and spread to the wider culture. But I also bet its because sheep and deer and pigs can be cute and fish aren't.
well that sound plausible because fish do reproduce in a weird way, they would not have hit this conclusion because birds reproduce the same way by laying eggs than fertilization. this is also a completely wrong assumption and is a severe case of chronological snobbery... there "pseudo-science" was science the only thing was they had few pepole who could study, and the church was busy saving the whole of old Greek and roman culture from being destroyed and trying to keep the whole of civilization from falling after the fall of Rome.Maclennan said:
look up Thomas Aquinas and other philosophers of the time there work is part of the basis of modern science and understanding. for instance the principle of non-contradiction, a thing can not be and not be at the same time, is part of the understanding of physics; before you pull out the cat, you know of what i talk, i have to point out that when you open the box it either was dead or alive, and it knows it was either dead or alive, so it was not could not be both at the same time it was either dead or alive and we did not know which... but when you check it is not both dead and alive. also astronomy, ya, even if they fucked up here and there it was definitely science.
Because they're not cute. And I'm not just being cynical here (well, I am being cynical, but not just cynical), a vegetarian relative once actually stated this as the reason she though it morally acceptable to eat fish.
that makes sense i guess, however i still don't see a problem with eating meat, i do see a problem with abusing the animals but i mean the word human comes to mind, also abusing them is more trouble than its worth to an industrial company... and most of the animals can't live with out human care, because they are domesticated. however if i thought that they were abused i would be with you forgoing the meat, no matter how much i like the taste of cow. and i think i see where you are coming from with the fake vegi stand... it would annoy me to... i still don't think they are worth getting mad at...Phoenixlight said:I care because I put a lot of effort into maintaining my vegetarian lifestyle, these fucking posers don't want to dedicate themselves to the diet yet try and pretend that they're a vegetarian when they're obviously not. They're not taking the same stand because fish still feel pain and so killing them is the same as killing another animal. And if they're doing it for health reasons then they shouldn't prance around calling themselves a vegetarian. I'm a vegetarian for many reasons, one being that people don't NEED to eat meat in contemporary society when there's many alternatives, another being that killing something for food isn't the right thing to do meaning that vegetarians have the moral high ground. Of couse we are outclassed by vegans but I don't want health probemls so I'm not willing to go that far.Freeze_L said:why do you care? if they are doing it because they feel the animals are being abused and don't think fish are, than they are still taking the same stand that you are, and if they are doing it for health reasons then why give a flying shit?
also, i don't think that animals are abused and i like meat, so why are you a vegetarian? just a question out of curiosity... is it because you think they are being abused, is it because you don't like meat, is it because you felt like it, it is religious? just wondering...
Probably because they were ignorant desert Bedouins. Or, perhaps more nicely, they were drawing distinctions that later zoological classification would not agree. The same way locusts and grasshoppers have four legs and bats are birds according to the bible.nuba km said:
I think it's because of the saying:epninja said:
"There are plenty of fish in the sea"
Thus justifying the fact that it's alright because it wouldn't be too bad or they wouldn't be easily extinct (unless of course, something should happen to the water, yes I'm looking at you BP) or some such nonsene. Thats my 2 second theory anyway.
It's a throw-over from Jewish Law, most likely. We're not allowed to eat 'Meat & Milk' together in the same meal, and have to wait six hours after eating meat to consume any dairy products. However, there's a different set of rules concerning 'Meat & Fish' and 'Milk & Fish', implying that, at least for religious purposes, it doesn't fall into the category of meat.
