Poll: Why do players in RDR firmly expect to not be attacked while doing challenges?

[Mechanix]

Because the point of free roam is to do the hunting missions, gang hideouts, etc?

Says who? Why are you allowed to kill other players in free roam if you're not supposed to do that?

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

From that I get "I can do whatever I want."

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

You might want to read my post again, again, and then again later. I never said shoot everyone. I am saying that I can do anything I want, you can also do whatever you want, and everyone should accept they might get into combat at any time. Reflecting the time period and the setting for this game.

That's fine, but when we don't WANT to get into combat with anyone other then the NPCs, why should we be forced to? What makes the PVPers way of playing better then mine? Honestly if we are wimps for not wishing to fight with other players, then you my good sir should get off your high horse.

You need to realize that some players don't have friends to play with on that game and we can't do private games. If we wanna fight then we'll fight, but if we don't want to, why should our way of playing be compromised by a bunch of guys who think diffrently? Notice how I wrote guys, plural, as in most of the time there are more then one who want to fight eachother. When you have more then one, why fight me or the people I'm working with?

 

[Reg5879]

Because the point of free roam is to do the hunting missions, gang hideouts, etc?

Says who? Why are you allowed to kill other players in free roam if you're not supposed to do that?

I quote John McClane when I say, "Welcome to the party pal"

 

[Nerf Ninja]

Actually, couldn't you try asking the person not to attack you as well?

Ok, he might not reply and still go after you, but worth a try. =)

Most of the time they don't even have a microphone plugged in.

Just imagine how wimpy I'd sound whining "don't kill me please" too!

I do love the game and don't really mind it all that much that I get shot so often I will fight back but it just seems like I have no choice but to put up or shut up, I'm not allowed to enjoy the actual "meat" of the multiplayer aspect because I'm so busy fighting off a wave of nutters with guns.

 

[lightingbird]

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

You might want to read my post again, again, and then again later. I never said shoot everyone. I am saying that I can do anything I want, you can also do whatever you want, and everyone should accept they might get into combat at any time. Reflecting the time period and the setting for this game.

That's fine, but when we don't WANT to get into combat with anyone other then the NPCs, why should we be forced to? What makes the PVPers way of playing better then mine? Honestly if we are wimps for not wishing to fight with other players, then you my good sir should get off your high horse.

You need to realize that some players don't have friends to play with on that game and we can't do private games. If we wanna fight then we'll fight, but if we don't want to, why should our way of playing be compromised by a bunch of guys who think diffrently? Notice how I wrote guys, plural, as in most of the time there are more then one who want to fight eachother. When you have more then one, why fight me or the people I'm working with?

If the game was coop but at certain places I could kill another player then yea it would be wrong. You need to accept this is a free roaming game and ANYTHING is acceptable by the makers of the game.

Do you understand that?

The makes of this game made it so the players can dictate their own actions. That's why it's called a sandbox game. Ha if you don't want to fight run, fight so you can run, teleport to another city, swap rooms, or make some friends like everyone else and make a private room.

The game is set around anything goes NOT Coop! You can coop but you are cooping in a anything goes world! Why is that so hard to get?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

Because the point of free roam is to do the hunting missions, gang hideouts, etc?

Says who? Why are you allowed to kill other players in free roam if you're not supposed to do that?

How is your concept of free roam any more valid than mine?

Well my concept comes right from the devs mouth's. My concept is in sync with the setting of the wild west. My concept chimes with the name FREE roam. My concept accepts there will people who group up, those who don't, and those who do other stuff.

Your concept is not along the lines of the devs and only concerns with those who do not want to fight or act in the "free" setting.

Not sure why you asked that.

Free Roam brings the open-world experience to multiplayer for up-to-16 players, with the opportunity to form posses of up-to-8 to take on the world's gang hideouts, ambient challenges - and each other. Free Roam also gives players a living, breathing world instead of a generic game lobby - with the freedom to roam the open expanse, hunting or creating shootouts before heading into competitive game modes - and leveling up with every major action. With each level come new avatars, outfits, mounts, playlists and challenges.

So from this you get "shoot everyone"?

From that I get "I can do whatever I want."

Yes, and I don't want to have to fight a group players every five minutes while dealing with NPC gunmen every five minutes. Why do I have to be forced to give up the entire multiplayer because of that? You can't have both sides. If the devlopers of Rockstar wish to settle this, then they need to take Free-Roam and pick it apart and put it in place of a lobby (Similar to GTA4) and then add in games and missions that can be activated by anyone. This seperates players and can add to the "I can do what I want without anyone saying no" act.

 

[Reg5879]

Actually, couldn't you try asking the person not to attack you as well?

Ok, he might not reply and still go after you, but worth a try. =)

Most of the time they don't even have a microphone plugged in.

Just imagine how wimpy I'd sound whining "don't kill me please" too!

I do love the game and don't really mind it all that much that I get shot so often I will fight back but it just seems like I have no choice but to put up or shut up, I'm not allowed to enjoy the actual "meat" of the multiplayer aspect because I'm so busy fighting off a wave of nutters with guns.

You can send messages too.

You could send this: "Hey mate, is it ok if you don't kill me? It's just that i'm doing *Insert what you are doing here*" Give it a try.

Also, I rarely get thrown into gun fights online because I stay away from them, you should try that too.

 

[braincore02]

I play with nothing but grown ass men and all of us can handle doing hunts or hideouts and getting jumped.

Hahaha "grown ass men." I can just imagine a bunch of "grown ass men" playing cowboys and indians. Pew pew pew bang bang! I think anytime you are playing a game you are catering to the kid in yourself, kinda silly to think you're all big about it.

To keep on topic I can see and agree with both sides of the argument. I haven't bothered playing this online tho so I have little to no opinion, except I don't think people are wimps or wussies if they don't want to be griefed, their priorities are just different than people who go around shooting everyone. And I think you should have the ability to shoot whatever you want in free roam. I could see very much enjoying the on-edge feeling of possibly being attacked at any moment, but it could be annoying if someone was following around killing you at your spawn points, and if someone's doing that, then yeah they're lame and it's completely understandable to get mad, or "wimpy," about it. Hahaha grown ass men!

 

[lightingbird]

Just imagine how wimpy I'd sound whining "don't kill me please" too!

Ha as funny as it sounds, I still can see it. Now there have been times when I was in a posse and they were doing something and I was rushing to them. As I was passing a town filled with other players. As I enter it, I'll say in voice, "just passing through guys". Most of the time, they still shoot and I respond with fire. Sometimes, someone will say back ok no problem and not shoot!

 

[Nerf Ninja]

Actually, couldn't you try asking the person not to attack you as well?

Ok, he might not reply and still go after you, but worth a try. =)

Most of the time they don't even have a microphone plugged in.

Just imagine how wimpy I'd sound whining "don't kill me please" too!

I do love the game and don't really mind it all that much that I get shot so often I will fight back but it just seems like I have no choice but to put up or shut up, I'm not allowed to enjoy the actual "meat" of the multiplayer aspect because I'm so busy fighting off a wave of nutters with guns.

You can send messages too.

You could send this: "Hey mate, is it ok if you don't kill me? It's just that i'm doing *Insert what you are doing here*" Give it a try.

Also, I rarely get thrown into gun fights online because I stay away from them, you should try that too.

Heh I'd be dead by the time I opened the messaging system but I do understand what you mean

I did actually start a post a couple of days ago asking for players willing to join up in some private games where we could take part in the actual challenges but I got not a single response heh.

 

[lightingbird]

I play with nothing but grown ass men and all of us can handle doing hunts or hideouts and getting jumped.

Hahaha "grown ass men." I can just imagine a bunch of "grown ass men" playing cowboys and indians. Pew pew pew bang bang! I think anytime you are playing a game you are catering to the kid in yourself, kinda silly to think you're all big about it.

To keep on topic I can see and agree with both sides of the argument. I haven't bothered playing this online tho so I have little to no opinion, except I don't think people are wimps or wussies if they don't want to be griefed, their priorities are just different than people who go around shooting everyone. And I think you should have the ability to shoot whatever you want in free roam. I could see very much enjoying the on-edge feeling of possibly being attacked at any moment, but it could be annoying if someone was following around killing you at your spawn points, and if someone's doing that, then yeah they're lame and it's completely understandable to get mad, or "wimpy," about it. Hahaha grown ass men!

You might want to read the thread to learn why I said that.

 

[Reg5879]

Actually, couldn't you try asking the person not to attack you as well?

Ok, he might not reply and still go after you, but worth a try. =)

Most of the time they don't even have a microphone plugged in.

Just imagine how wimpy I'd sound whining "don't kill me please" too!

I do love the game and don't really mind it all that much that I get shot so often I will fight back but it just seems like I have no choice but to put up or shut up, I'm not allowed to enjoy the actual "meat" of the multiplayer aspect because I'm so busy fighting off a wave of nutters with guns.

You can send messages too.

You could send this: "Hey mate, is it ok if you don't kill me? It's just that i'm doing *Insert what you are doing here*" Give it a try.

Also, I rarely get thrown into gun fights online because I stay away from them, you should try that too.

Heh I'd be dead by the time I opened the messaging system but I do understand what you mean

I did actually start a post a couple of days ago asking for players willing to join up in some private games where we could take part in the actual challenges but I got not a single response heh.

You may die, but you would just respawn.

Also, try some Red Dead Forums, you would most probably get more feedback from people wanting to team up.

 

[braincore02]

You might want to read the thread to learn why I said that.

Yeah I read the thread, which could be inferred had you read the entirety of my post. I know why you said it. Still funny to me.

 

[Paularius]

Meh.
You got to expect PKer's in a game like this.
While i do find it annoying its gonna happen anyway.
I do both co-op and pvp in this game and i have to admit if i was doing pvp i'd go to the deathmatch games.
I would consider PKing in free roam to be grief but only becouse theres lots of game types for pvp and also you cant hide. you see the marker for everyplayer on the map for there location. While in pvp matchs the dot is hidden unless you make to much noise or theres line of sight.

 

[cainx10a]

Answer #1: Carebears

Answer #2: I truly believe that Free Roam should have had a PvE-Only setting to prevent griefers and the like to do what they do best, make carebear feels a little less welcomed in the game world.

Answer #3: Form a posse, FORM A POSSE

This man HATES posse.

 

[Save us.A7X]

Because the point of free roam is to do the hunting missions, gang hideouts, etc?

Says who? Why are you allowed to kill other players in free roam if you're not supposed to do that?

Dumb gameplay design choice? If they had meant for players to just constantly kill each other on free roam what was the point in adding all the other stuff? Since it would seem if people have to ability to kill each other they will instantly think that's the main point of the game and the only thing worth doing.