Poll: Why does everyone hate ME3 so badly?

[Elamdri]

Spoiler: Spoiler, and I mean SPOILER

Endings: Regardless of what Ending you get, you're destroying all life in the galaxy, even worse than the Reapers did. You DO die, and so do all other species? So, it doesn't matter who you side with or who you saved, because they're all dead anyhow. I only saw the 'synthesis' ending, but it wasn't very.. defined. What happened exactly? It looked like Joker got The Illusive Man's eyes, but that's it. Not sure if Joker & EDI blew up or are supposed to be Adam and Eve (oh and also Liara was there) or what.
Glitches. SO MANY times I had to restart a whole mission because a required cutscene didn't start and I had to NOT attack bad guys. You did too much damage with a sniper rifle! Bah. Or solar systems not showing up even after you got a quest to go there, and there was nothing to do. Other quests had other problems with this. I seriously question whether or not they even game-tested. Hell, half the time EDI used Decoy the Decoy was crouching on top of something, but she had no head.
Unfulfilled: You get to recruit Volus, Elcor and Batarian fleet/s, but never get to see their ships or fighters. I kind of wanted to see that. Or krogan riding on those big monsters that the heiroglyphics showed? That'd of been cool! But no. The Rachni, if you did save them, only count for 100 points because of their workers helping build the Crucible. You never get to see them- except for the queen, who for some reason can talk now? The only places you ever land are battle maps and the Citadel. I would have liked to see Kajhe and Decuuna. I was hoping to see Tali's face and be like 'wow they look a lot like cobras' but I didn't get to see her face- which is just as well, according to almost everyone. Instead she committed suicide by falling off a cliff. I never heard about Grunt or Jack. You hardly even get to talk to anyone this time around- and I really wanted to watch Legion do the robot.

...There are more endings than that with different outcomes. What you described is one of the possible outcomes, not all of them.

 

[FalloutJack]

Excuse me, but my girlfriend reportedly nerdgasmed upon seeing that it was released. I must therefore conclude that it was not crap.

(Seriously, why do they say 'everybody' when it's only a small portion of humanity?)

 

[T_love]

Personally, I thought that the game was great. Your past choices mattered, story was solid, the ending was a Heroic sacrifice (at least for me). So, I have no idea what the rage is about.

Only problem (plot hole) I found was: Why the hell did the reapers try to build a Human reaper in Mass effect 2?

 

[Flailing Escapist]

I don't hate it but ME3 has a bunch of little things that just rub me the wrong way. The first two games didn't have anything like that and many good games that I really enjoy don't have them either. So why should I subjugate to the monotone poorly written dialogue of Freddie Prinz Jr./ James Vega? Why do I feel the urge to roll my eyes everything that fucking feel nothing child shows up and why does it bother me that I can think of a dozen ways how they could have made us care about ME3 better? Why do I have to put up with a gaming publisher that I fear is constantly abusing me?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?

 

[Abedeus]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

I'll say few things: 90-95% of the game is fucking awesome, and if I hadn't played the last 10-15 minutes of it, I would've called it the game of the year. Right now. Fuck Diablo 3, the game I've been waiting for 11 years. ME3 got me so interested in playing it, I didn't play D3 beta that I got into two days ago. But, few things during the last few moments made me think that... the series, unless there's a DLC or patch fixing shit, will be ruined. It'll be Matrix all over again, with awesome first game, completely groundbreaking experience, then second being good, but not AMAZING, and third ruining a lot of things and considered non-canon by many fans.


Things I love about ME3:

- Combat. I love it so much, I played a bit of ME2 after I finished ME3, and I kept trying to do rolls to cover and double-tapping keys. And finally they made a pretty balanced system in case you want to be a pure Adept/Engineer - get only a pistol/SMG with light-weight upgrade and enjoy 2 second cooldown on skills.
- Characters and their development. I absolutely loved returning characters, EDI and Joker being all lovey-dovey (at least Joker), Wrex and Grunt still being awesome, Garrus... do I even have to praise him more? Liara finally acting more mature, and Tali also awesome. I kind of missed Jack, forgot that on my save I hadn't met with Katsumi yet, and Thane was kick-ass for whatever short time he appeared on the screen.
- Dialog and writing. It's always been a strong point in Bioware games, but holy crap, ME3 has a LOT of great writing. Hard to pin-point one thing, it's more of a "general goodness".
- Humor. Garrus scene on the Citadel, Grunt (if you completed his loyalty mission in ME2) gets a Moment of Crowning Awesomeness. Many references to previous games, all humorous.

Things I dislike about ME3:

- Day one DLC... nobody likes those. Pay extra for something already on disc that isn't cosmetics is just downright stupid of Bioware.
- Multiplayer is required for the "average" player to get over 4k war assets, something Bioware told us wouldn't be necessary if you don't like MP. But since the game is kind of fun in multi, I'll just pass...

Things I hate about ME3:

- Oh boy. Okay with the weaker ones - From Ashes DLC, with the Prothean. People assumed that we'd meet him in-game, and the DLC will only give us a recruitment option. BULLSHIT. We never meet any protheans in the fucking game. Your only chance to meet the surviving member of the previous fucking life cycle costs $$$.
- If you romanced anyone besides Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Tali or Liara, you're fucked. You'll get few seconds of your love interest on screen, and that's it.
- If you romanced anyone but the trio from ME1, you're also fucked. When you make "the" decision at the end of game, you think about three people - Joker, Anderson and... Liara. WHY LIARA? I ROMANCED GARRUS FOR FUCKS SAKE, I DON'T EVEN LIKE LIARA.
- Choices don't matter, and that's because of endings, but: you killed Rachni queen? The Reapers found another one! You appointed Anderson as the Councilor? He quit! We were promised a story that we make our own, and only things like "Who you left on Virmire, did you kill Wrex or no, who survived the suicide mission" actually matter during the game. But nothing affects the endings, not even your Paragon/Renegade points.
- The endings, holy crap. I read the War of the Spider Queen and that was at least as sad as those endings, but it not only made sense, but was predictable when you know who the characters were dealing with.

This. This shit is the reason I hate the game now and not sure I will play it again. I don't regret pre-ordering it, but I do regret seeing the endings. They all can be explained with "MAGIC, DEAL WITH IT".

 

[dyre]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

[snip]

Yeah, I've been hearing that a lot after the preliminary positive reports. I'm a little scared to try the game out...part of me feels that I'd rather play a mediocre game with a shitty ending than an incredibly well-made game involving a story and characters I've invested in with a shitty ending. I'm reminded of KOTOR 2...surely it can't be as disappointing as KOTOR 2 was? D:

Would you say the ending is potentially fixable via DLC? Maybe I could wait a few months and hope something comes out.

 

[Gennadios]

I found the game solid outside over overly twitchy and overall less tactical combat, bu just having finished, by god the ending is shit.

I honestly wouldn't be too enraged if this was the first ME game I've played, but I've gone through 3 tours of duty fighting for the game's characters, and it just all ended up feeling hollow and pointless at the end.

It's kind of like one of those movie endings where if you'd just walked out 5 minutes before the end you'd think it was awesome, but the last 3 minutes just leave the whole experience feeling like wasted time.

 

[Gamergeek25]

On a vid I watch my only complaint was the audio of voice acting was out of sync other than that i dont mind it

 

[Abedeus]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

[snip]

Yeah, I've been hearing that a lot after the preliminary positive reports. I'm a little scared to try the game out...part of me feels that I'd rather play a mediocre game with a shitty ending than an incredibly well-made game involving a story and characters I've invested in with a shitty ending. I'm reminded of KOTOR 2...surely it can't be as disappointing as KOTOR 2 was? D:

Would you say the ending is potentially fixable via DLC? Maybe I could wait a few months and hope something comes out.

Well, DLC fixed Fallout 3, didn't it? Apparently Bioware are "listening closely" to the complains, which are massive - right now, there's a poll on the official forums. 80% of the votes saying "Endings suck", with almost 3k people voting for that option.

 

[dyre]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

[snip]

Yeah, I've been hearing that a lot after the preliminary positive reports. I'm a little scared to try the game out...part of me feels that I'd rather play a mediocre game with a shitty ending than an incredibly well-made game involving a story and characters I've invested in with a shitty ending. I'm reminded of KOTOR 2...surely it can't be as disappointing as KOTOR 2 was? D:

Would you say the ending is potentially fixable via DLC? Maybe I could wait a few months and hope something comes out.

Well, DLC fixed Fallout 3, didn't it? Apparently Bioware are "listening closely" to the complains, which are massive - right now, there's a poll on the official forums. 80% of the votes saying "Endings suck", with almost 3k people voting for that option.

well, it made Fallout 3 better, I'll say that. I'm happy to hear Bioware's at least listening to complaints.

 

[Nimcha]

It's just general internet hate. In other words, negligible.

The game is excellent, one of the best games I've ever played.

And yes you will hear a lot of moaning about the ending, but that was always going to be the case.

Way to live with your head in the sand (or other, where the sun don't shine place, your choice) and way to simplify the negativity, which is not just "general internet hate", but very widespread, into something that you can dismiss without actually giving it thought.

OP:

People are having problems with Mass Effect 3 for a number of reasons. For Bioware lying to their audience, for the removal of numerous RPG aspects, for the removal of choice and the forced melodrama that Bioware has stuck into the game, effectively making the story from all previous games not matter one iota. For the lazy game design. For the day one DLC (which apparently was already on the disc, making Bioware's lies even more prominent). For the endings, which go directly against everything that Bioware has promised for years.

For taking a great franchise and running it into the ground, only to counter fanbase comments with nothing more than a shrug and "tough".

For alienating the people that made them rich. It's bad customer service, bad business and bad development.

See this is my point. Just hate spewing without actual backing up. You're the one lying here, buddy. There's more choice than ever and all of it matters to the galaxy. Lazy? Please. Everything you've done in the previous two games is referenced in some way. If you pay attention you can see the detail every conversation is crafted with.

That you don't want to see that is your fault, not the game's.

 

[Joccaren]

When I post this, Derp is at 69... lol

Anyway, ME3 isn't hated by most, but many don't like the fact that it had day 1 DLC, that it has multiplayer and (In my opinion the most justified) people hate the endings (Seriously. They're crap).

But yeah, other than review bombing, most people like ME3, even a number on BSN [Though many will complain 'Worst thing ever' until they say 'I really would give it a 7 or 8, review bombing is just stupid']

 

[Acton Hank]

Have you seen the ending? The entire game is great until the last 15 minutes, then they proceed to invalidate all your accomplishments and shoehorn you into three variations of the same ending that are all filled with plot-holes and are completely unsatisfying.

It turns out a large majority of your choices didn't actually mean anything, and for a series that's been boasting about it's choices actually meaning something for the past 5 years it has completely failed in that department.

THIS THIS THIS, a thousand times THIS....

 

[NKRevan]

I've been playing for a bit now and I was silly enough to read spoilers. So here's my impression so far:

The game is great, but it also has flaws. It is a great experience overall however.

1) It is not an RPG. A lot of people are complaining about this, but I personally think ME has NEVER been an RPG. Sure, it had some RPG elements (and still has them), but it was always something "unique" in terms of what elements the game brought to the table. I don't know what I would call it. I think I'll just call it Mass Effect.

2) Too much Autodialogue. While I think that they had good intentions when removing a bunch of redundant Dialogue choices from the flow, I believe they went a bit overboard. A couple more choices wouldn't have hurt. I get that you set the general "theme" of your responses and then watch it unfold, but a little more input from the player in this instance would have been good.

3) The Combat is improved. It just is. There's not a lot to discuss here. The only major flaw is the one-button-wonder thing. One more button couldn't have hurt too much. >.>

4) Jessica Chobot should never consider a career in Voice Acting. I don't mind that she's in there since her part is negligable. But oh my god her delivery is so bad it's amusing. Especially when you hear her "interacting" with Jennifer Hale. I have nothing against Miss CHobot, but don't consider getting into voice acting...at least not until you've had some serious training.

5) Choices and Consequences. From what I've played so far, Mass Effect has been "MY" experience. The choices I made have come back reflected in the game and it is a wonderfully fulfilling feeling when you notice these things, little or small.

As I said, I read the leaked endings. I have never had such a huge problem with them as they fit my own Shep pretty well. However, if someone were to make a poll about them, I would choose: "I like the endings, but I strongly urge BioWare to add some outcomes that are less "bad" for those who enjoy those kind of endings."

In a nutshell, I am greatly enjoying ME3 and so far, it's been very much what I had hoped for. I'd give it a 8 on an objective scale. A 9.5 on a personal fan-scale.

Cheers.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Problems are easily out shined by the game as a whole. For me as of right now, it's easily the best game in the series. The writing is excellent, the story is superb, and the combat is actually decent(Fully upgraded Vanguard yo). I almost was brought to tears at a few points by the way they handled the story.

I chose Tali for the past few games, and the face didn't bother me at all. It was so poorly done, that I straight up didn't care. She still looks like the mysterious chick I pictured in my mind. If they had gone the full length and actually had pre-rendered mask taking offage, I would have been a little bummed.

Right about now, I've never cared more deeply for characters in a game. Sitting down with them during the R and R sections when you reach the Citadel was awesome. Hanging out with Garrus ended up really making me care for him. And for the first time, I actually sort of regret choosing Tali over Liara. For some reason she became a very interesting character for me this time around, and how you sort of develop a friendship with her was once again where I congratulate the writing staff.

James Vega, while not together an amazing character was surprisingly un-douchey. He actually has an extremely level head, and is kind of fun to talk to. Ashley was also given a really good personality makeover while remaining the same strong headed chick, but with a more level head and good sense of humor. I think them toning down the racism to being barely noticeable was a good call.

So far so good. A little disappointing to hear that the ending is apparently going to really suck considering how well it's going so far. And they sort of over-burden you with pointless remedial task where you really gotta say "Should Commander Shepard really be taking the time off of saving the Galaxy to go get some jewelry so you guys feel better?"

Also, this talk of the game being linear? No more linear than any of the other ones. The missions are just designed to make it look like something drastic has happened after the end of everything you do, which sort of makes you rush (though in a good way)